The elevator scene is both a brilliant piece of filmmaking and a super troll. That after 10 years I can still remember the absolute confusion and annoyance I felt by that whole thing is a testament to how good the scene was :lol
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The elevator scene is both a brilliant piece of filmmaking and a super troll. That after 10 years I can still remember the absolute confusion and annoyance I felt by that whole thing is a testament to how good the scene was :lol
Charoncaori
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Maybe the tonal leap wouldn't have been so evident had you watched death/rebirth first? It seemed in line to me. The series had
The ending is extremely character-centric to the point of being detrimental to the plot.
1.11 will be a disappointment. At least it looks pretty.
sex, periods, people being mind-raped, suicidal, crushed and decapitated.
The movie is more of an exterior examination of events, while the series' ending is an examination of the characters' minds.
Rei is a bad character and the best thing to come out of rebuild so far is small steps toward fixing that problem.
1.11 will be a disappointment. At least it looks pretty.
Jex
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Sounds like a reasonable reaction from someone whose just seen the End of Evangelion.
I don't agree with your assesment of the charactisation of the major players in the movie. They all feel perfectly inline with their TV incarnations to me. I can't really get into specifics as I'm writing from my phone.
I will agree with what you seem to be arguing, which is that parts of the movie are a testmenat to the power of spectacle above and beyond any thematic/character relevance that they might. However it seems Anno is doing that in a very deliberate manner. It's playing into the whole symbolism for the sake of symbolism thing. Still, underneath all that you can still find all the key components of the franchise, if you look hard enough.
I don't agree with your assesment of the charactisation of the major players in the movie. They all feel perfectly inline with their TV incarnations to me. I can't really get into specifics as I'm writing from my phone.
I will agree with what you seem to be arguing, which is that parts of the movie are a testmenat to the power of spectacle above and beyond any thematic/character relevance that they might. However it seems Anno is doing that in a very deliberate manner. It's playing into the whole symbolism for the sake of symbolism thing. Still, underneath all that you can still find all the key components of the franchise, if you look hard enough.
I never looked hard enough into EoE because it seems to be ramblings of a depressed man (the TV ending does make sense and is pretty straightforward though, I don't know why it has the reputation it has).
But man, if it isn't a feast of insane animation everywhere. It's probably the most mesmerizing animation in a movie I've seen, not simply because of technical quality but because of everything the animation was carrying, that you can almost feel on the screen. Mitsuo Iso's cut has to be one of the best moments in animation's history.
But man, if it isn't a feast of insane animation everywhere. It's probably the most mesmerizing animation in a movie I've seen, not simply because of technical quality but because of everything the animation was carrying, that you can almost feel on the screen. Mitsuo Iso's cut has to be one of the best moments in animation's history.
You're probably right there. Maybe the way the movie carried itself felt more provocative when set along side the (obviously intentionally) softer execution of your said themes within the TV series.
It wasn't precisely a long-shot, Mature, given what was presented to you on the previous episodes... remember what Regulus Tera pointed out! See:
Definitely, one of the essential and coolest things of sharing your impressions in community is consequently receiving feedback like this. To hear from experience and compare trying to see with the other's eyes is most exciting!
Yeah. A Japanese PTA was onto them:
http://eva.onegeek.org/pipermail/oldeva/2001-November/040705.htmlBrendan Jamieson - Protoculture Addicts Issue #42 (October 1996) said:
I won't forget what happened to BŌBOBO either...
Consider EVANGELION: DEATH & REBIRTH for a moment, not just because EVANGELION: DEATH is in my opinion a extremely good editing for a recap, but because it channels you towards bits of matter from the series important on preparation (and highlight) for the mood and plot of THE END OF EVANGELION itself, after the tonal curve-ball and HIP representation the series took on as approach. It kind of resets, re-exposes and re-instates the dilemma as how it wants to continue being presented on the film, between the protagonists constant distance to the others out of fear to that intimacy exposed, and how it affects their relationships; as afraid and equally eager of them. In my opinion, the relaxed moment of first chit-chat and posterior understanding in a 'conversation' as a string quartet to be seen on EVANGELION: DEATH shows that. It introduces (they introduce themselves on a stage practice) the characters again and how they get along in a superficial way as they are really exposed on fragments from the series, practically the inverse of the stage play re-hash we see on episodes 25 & 26.
Additionally, I think that hearing this as the conclusion to that fascinating and beautiful but unsettling scene just makes REBIRTH worth it, although EVANGELION: REBIRTH was kind of made redundant, as this was practically claimed as well from the very same REVIVAL OF EVANGELION, with only DEATH (TRUE)² on it, accepted as integral and definitive vision for RENEWAL.
Whoa! I was super-late on saying this. This is what I get for not checking the later posts before writing mine. Oh, well...
Because I was monumentally confused by the end of EoE as well, I'm gonna say that narrative-wise, Eva could have ended with 25-26 and it would have delivered the same conclusion.
But, EoE has the EVA-02 vs Mass production fight. That scene alone makes the whole movie worth it.
But, EoE has the EVA-02 vs Mass production fight. That scene alone makes the whole movie worth it.
Charoncaori
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That still just depresses me. I wish the renewal versions had combined rebirth with death, left the song in, and just let end of eva continue from where it left off.
I completely agree with your feelings on the music in that scene. I remember watching the movies in a row in my basement, stopping after the credit sequence before EoE, and just thinking "wow". It wowed me more than any scene in EoE, for all its spectacle.
I completely agree with your feelings on the music in that scene. I remember watching the movies in a row in my basement, stopping after the credit sequence before EoE, and just thinking "wow". It wowed me more than any scene in EoE, for all its spectacle.
It's hilarious seeing the line art of the fight as the preview for episode 25(?) on the DVDs. They didn't do that during broadcast, right? Shit would have been hilarious.
KillerMan91
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End of Evangelion has one of the best animated battles ever imo. Damn I loved it.
There are some things that you chalk up to nostalgia when you remember them to be awesome. This is not one of those times. So soooooo good.
Well, if we're talking about series most near perfection, nothing really holds a candle to Macross Plus.
For me, I'd say it goes:
Macross Plus > SDFM > Macross Zero > DYRL > Macross 7(so far) > Macross II
Haven't seen Macross Frontier.
My problem with DYRL was it's willingness to cherry pick plot points, but not to any discernible end. I wrote in my impressions that I felt like the things that it ended up keeping from SDFM made all the other points feel a bit more contrived. Character motivations seemed all hollow.
That's okay! I appreciate it and I'll probably end up revisiting Death and Rebirth on your word. My work day was insane and I just ended up getting off and watching Eva until 4:00am. I'd like to see if my thoughts change to a certain degree when i'm in a better state of mind, so I'll probably end up rewatching soon.
Oh gosh, hahaha. Seriously? I wanna see that.
TIGER & BUNNY - The Beginning
It certainly wouldn't be a Sunrise series if they didn't do a movie cash-in at some point and TIGER & BUNNY is certainly no exception to this, for better or for worse. Fortunately, they actually put some effort into this and the other planned movies if the PV at the end was anything to go by. The first half of this was pretty much a copy paste job of the first two episodes but with some redone and brand new animation added into the mix, some of which does a pretty good job of establishing Kotetsu's motivation for doing what he does
It's not until the halfway mark that this actually starts to do its own thing. It's at this point a brand new criminal (whom you could catch a glimpse of in the OP and one brief scene prior) is introduced and what better way to start things off than by have him steal ann incredibly symbolic statue. Now, I thought at this point the movie would hark back to some of the later episodes of the series
but it instead just acted as a vehicle for Barnaby and Kotetsu's character development which I'm kinda disappoint at but I feel like I somewhat understand why they did that, especially with the little trailer at the end for what's to come. I'll also say the new criminal was pretty lame but that's part the course for this fairly upbeat series!
Fortunately, the new stuff was far more in line with the first 2/3rds of the series which was actually pretty entertaining and had some really poignant moments, completely unlike the rest of the series where Sunrise took a massive shit on it for seemingly no reason given they went with a reboot movie series. Oh well, this served as a good reminder of why I enjoyed the series for most of its run and I'm certainly looking forward to what's coming up next. Hell, even the ending credits clipshow had a mix of footage from the film, the TV series and even some brand new stuff I don't remember seeing before (maybe I just forgot it!) so it's appreciated to see them put the effort in for even the minor things.
3 non-space videogoogle kotetsu animewatch out of 5
It certainly wouldn't be a Sunrise series if they didn't do a movie cash-in at some point and TIGER & BUNNY is certainly no exception to this, for better or for worse. Fortunately, they actually put some effort into this and the other planned movies if the PV at the end was anything to go by. The first half of this was pretty much a copy paste job of the first two episodes but with some redone and brand new animation added into the mix, some of which does a pretty good job of establishing Kotetsu's motivation for doing what he does
thanks to his dead wife.
It's not until the halfway mark that this actually starts to do its own thing. It's at this point a brand new criminal (whom you could catch a glimpse of in the OP and one brief scene prior) is introduced and what better way to start things off than by have him steal ann incredibly symbolic statue. Now, I thought at this point the movie would hark back to some of the later episodes of the series
(the growing mistrust of the heroes)
Fortunately, the new stuff was far more in line with the first 2/3rds of the series which was actually pretty entertaining and had some really poignant moments, completely unlike the rest of the series where Sunrise took a massive shit on it for seemingly no reason given they went with a reboot movie series. Oh well, this served as a good reminder of why I enjoyed the series for most of its run and I'm certainly looking forward to what's coming up next. Hell, even the ending credits clipshow had a mix of footage from the film, the TV series and even some brand new stuff I don't remember seeing before (maybe I just forgot it!) so it's appreciated to see them put the effort in for even the minor things.
3 non-space videogoogle kotetsu animewatch out of 5
Deputy Dangle
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I felt that the characters were pretty in line with how they were in the actual show as well. A lot of the violence whether it be physical or psychological in the show seemed to build up throughout the show's run and then climaxing with End of Eva. I admit, the opening is pretty jarring, but the tone of the film felt like a natural progression to me. As if the characters and the dilemma at hand had truly reached a sort of rock bottom and the film encapsulates that feeling very well.
I really adore the series myself. I find the contents of the show and the idea of Anno's depression probably playing a hand in the later half of the series to be pretty fascinating. It's at least clear that it helped mold the show to become what it is now in some form. That's why I didn't really mind the more "pretentious" segments later on in End of Eva like
Despite that, I think its a surprisingly pretty great film for fans considering how you could perceive it as an even bigger middle finger than the last two episodes of the series. Thankfully, I'm not one of those, but the idea of that is quite something. I do think the "Tumbling Down" scene puts that film on a whole other level though. Really well done.
I really adore the series myself. I find the contents of the show and the idea of Anno's depression probably playing a hand in the later half of the series to be pretty fascinating. It's at least clear that it helped mold the show to become what it is now in some form. That's why I didn't really mind the more "pretentious" segments later on in End of Eva like
showing plenty of live action shots of a theatre, people dressed up as some of the characters, etc.
Despite that, I think its a surprisingly pretty great film for fans considering how you could perceive it as an even bigger middle finger than the last two episodes of the series. Thankfully, I'm not one of those, but the idea of that is quite something. I do think the "Tumbling Down" scene puts that film on a whole other level though. Really well done.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
I will forever maintain that Death and Rebirth really is not necessary watching. 25' and 26' pick up exactly from where 24 left off --in fact, if it weren't for the relatively cheerful TV ending and the vast animation improvement, the thing would fit with the rest of the show.
I certainly don't agree with your interpretation of the characters in the film as distant from those of the show. Anno uses the framework of the film as an excuse to depict them at the very worst --and, in the case of Rei,
. The apocalyptic scenario and overall sombre mood of the film only serves to further highlight the psychological trauma these kids have been going through for the latter half of the show.
That said, I am loving this. We should recommend Evangelion to new people instead of School Days, and I say this as a rabid fan of the latter cartoon.
I certainly don't agree with your interpretation of the characters in the film as distant from those of the show. Anno uses the framework of the film as an excuse to depict them at the very worst --and, in the case of Rei,
she's not even the same Rei from the series so it makes sense that she acts in a completely different manner from what we have been used to
That said, I am loving this. We should recommend Evangelion to new people instead of School Days, and I say this as a rabid fan of the latter cartoon.
This is an interesting way of putting it. I may have been a bit too ready to accept a fault at the film's expense instead of seeing the reality of the character's progression.
Edit: In retrospect, that first scene really threw me off. Haha.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Yup.
I think this raises an interesting point. Why has Eva remained so pervasive in popular culture when it does everything it can to try to fend off the audience? It's a show that is certainly not doing anything by the books --and the very few rules it follows if turns upside down.
Whoa! The last time I looked at this thread, you were just watching the "Fourth Child" episodes, seems like you took a similar trajectory towards the end that I did!
I never personally felt the dissonance that you did with EoE, and in fact, I thought that it felt very organic as the "proper" ending that the television series was ultimately lacking. For fear of repeating myself, I'll point back to my own recent writeup of this.
I've been meaning to watch this too, so maybe this is the push I need. I'll be interested in sharing impressions with you.
Me too! I missed most of this, so I might drop back in the thread and start reading through his posts. It'd be kind of peculiar to watch someone else go through the whole stumbling process, though.
Silly conjecture, ahoy!
I think that EVA saying "fuck you" to its fans doesn't matter or even register in the head of most people. I think it was Hiroki Azuma who said that in order to destroy "otaku-ism", it had to borrow a lot from it, and the mass of fans loved the cute characters of Asuka and Rei while not really thinking too hard about the story or message.
Take it with a grain of salt though.
Dedication Through Light
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Unfortunately usopp only has a good moment hundreds of episodes in and even then, he still remains on the terrible level of Nami and others not in the epic trio. Hes pretty bad. Its as if Oda cant do character development for beans.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
You say this, but it was all Utena, Precure, and Sailor Moon talk before Mature dropped the E-bomb!
Character development doesn't really require power-ups though.
Considering you managed to escape the past two decades without learning much about Sailor Moon, I'm looking forward to your posts on it! It's not often you get a perspective in such a reverse order.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Character development does not equal strength, and Usopp has had the most character development out of all the strawhats by far.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Sailor Moon aired on the competition channel in Mexico at the same time as Ranma 1/2 on the mainstream one. It was a difficult choice, but I had to go with
Ukyo mai first waifu
This was easily the most baffling thing about the series to me. I was watching part of that little series on youtube about Anno talking to and teaching children, all the while thinking "I just got done watching a scene that this guy wrote and directed that involved
a 14 year old boy masturbating into his hand while watching an unconscious girl."
I'm bringing mecha back. I haven't seen Gurren Lagann and while I'm doing Gainax shows...
Deputy Dangle
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The past few pages have reminded me that I really do need to get around to watching Utena and School Days. I thought Penguindrum was very good so Utena should be right up my alley.
Sadly, I already know the gist of what happens in School Days. Hopefully, it's an entertaining ride getting to the ending.
Sadly, I already know the gist of what happens in School Days. Hopefully, it's an entertaining ride getting to the ending.
Go for it! I'm currently watching it, and I'd say its the tonal shift you require after EVA!
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
You should watch more Anno first. Gunbuster, Nadia, you know.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Sunao ni Narenakute 1
Keep me posted. Will check this out if you like it.
It's a greek tragedy. You can know the end result, but it's getting there that makes the show.
Also, the first few episodes are super boring. Be prepared for that.
I'm doing Gunbuster right now, actually. Haven't looked into Nadia much.
Dedication Through Light
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Even including Robin and Luffy?
Deputy Dangle
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I second Gunbuster!
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Nadia is a fun adventure show about traveling the world and meeting places. If you can ignore the silly outsourced to Korea episodes (which you should watch anyway for science) it's a damn good series with some of the best pre-depression Anno you will ever watch.
Utena is required viewing. There really is nothing like it anywhere else.
Speaking of which, more people need to see Urusei Yatsura.
Going into work an hour early, your avatar is just what I needed to brighten my day. :lol
Dedication Through Light
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The blu ray isnt bad, watched through it last week on TV and there was only one odd visual oddity in one minor scene. Will hopefully get through part 2 this week since second half bd did arrive.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
The thing with Eva is that it was popular with mainstream audiences. I remember hearing from I think of the 1UP reviewers in one of their podcasts that the screenings for 3.0 were packed with normal people even a month after its debut. You can revisit the Anno Teaches Children Animation feature, too, and you will see little kids trying to get the man to tell them secrets about Rei or whatever. Evangelion was a veritable social phenomenon in its native country, the likes of which I am going to take a guess have only been matched by One Piece since then.
Of course, that doesn't mean that GAINAX didn't see an otaku market rising from among the crowd and to cater to. That the majority (all?) off spin-offs take place in the alternate universe of 26 is telling of the tastes of the people who kept on giving them money for so long.
Further proof that 25 and 26 are an inferior ending. They didn't even get a director's cut! (suck it firehawk)
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Oh my god, two annoying little mascots are bad enough but a third one that's also a babby!?!?!?
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I just.... there's no way... just no, no third Precure is worth this horror.
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Indeed! I was searching for a good quality upload of the official AMV by Masayuki for that song (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38735718&postcount=47), to complement this post... but sadly it has vanished already from YouTube.
It was seen first at the LD release. The 'GENESIS' version, that included the feature film episodes 25' & 26' along the series ones that are episodes 25 & 26. The on-air version featured quick cuts of static and sketchily drawn Shinji images (as seen on the proper episode 25) along the narration.
I'm glad that you will consider it for next viewings! Thanks!
This interview, isn't it?
R_thanatos
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Thanks for the impressions..i do plan to watch this a bit later , glad to see this movies doesn't disapoint.
Noooo.. wait that was expected since we have to finish the fight in the manga first.
TANOSHI
Yeah, that. I don't agree with many things he says in there (particularly that only Otomo, Miyazaki and Oshii are artistically worthy), but he does raise some points.
I saw it 2 months or so after opening. Eva 3.0 survived 3 months in theaters when most anime movies have trouble hanging on for 2 weeks. While picking out otaku is kinda hard, I watched it late at night on a Friday with people in suits clearly just off work in the theater.
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