hosannainexcelsis
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Well, I wasn't talking about Happiness Charge! (Which I can't judge.)
Great, if you don't like anything this season, maybe you can actually watch some older anime you haven't seen yet.
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Winter-Spring 2014 Anime |OT3| People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time
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Well, I wasn't talking about Happiness Charge! (Which I can't judge.)
Great, if you don't like anything this season, maybe you can actually watch some older anime you haven't seen yet.
It's nice to dream.
Gintoki313
Banned
pfffffft amateurs
I admit defeat. Dem eyebrows!
Speedwagon? What did he do to be unlikable? I just remember him being a commentator a lot.
PshycoNinja
Member
Madoka 10
- I never thought I would say this but Homura is..... ADORABLE!!!
- I want her around all the time. Also when Madoka is happy, I'm happy. ^_^
- Wow. Poor Homura. I want to cry for her.
- Uh Oh, SpaghettiOs!
- YEEEEEESSSSSS! This is awesome! This is what I wanted! So happy right now. Only took 10 episodes but better late then never.
- The cake looks amazing.
- Man...
- Oh wow. So that's why Homura.... I see.
- Nope she's still adorable. I guess this is
. I knew it would come to this.
- When she's first learning her powers. Lol. It's adorable.
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- Wow...... I.....
- Got really depressed and sad there. I got close but no tears..... yet.
- I would become cold as steel too if I
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Summary:
So yeah... this was a depressing episode. In this episode Homura goes through
. Kind of brought everything together but at the same time made me
. Also I would like to say I called this one too. Ever since they reveled Homura had
. I can see people crying during this episode and I almost did myself at one point. But I didn't, so that sucks because I kinda wanted to.
Anyways, I see the seeds are planted and see how this ends. At least it handles
well.
Summary for those that haven't watch and are interested:
This episode puts everything into perspective. It is kind of a sad episode.
Thoughts during episode:
- I never thought I would say this but Homura is..... ADORABLE!!!
- I want her around all the time. Also when Madoka is happy, I'm happy. ^_^
- Wow. Poor Homura. I want to cry for her.
- Uh Oh, SpaghettiOs!
- YEEEEEESSSSSS! This is awesome! This is what I wanted! So happy right now. Only took 10 episodes but better late then never.
- The cake looks amazing.
- Man...
Mami can not catch a break anywhere. Wherever we are (alternate timeline I am guessing since Homura's power is time, this must be where she came from and tried to warn Madoka) she just always dies. That is a sucky fate.
- Nope she's still adorable. I guess this is
another timeline
- When she's first learning her powers. Lol. It's adorable.
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Their fate keeps on repeating
- Wow...... I.....
- Got really depressed and sad there. I got close but no tears..... yet.
- I would become cold as steel too if I
had to do all that stuff over and over again
Summary:
So yeah... this was a depressing episode. In this episode Homura goes through
multiple timelines to save Madoka who was her "only" friend before she became a magic girl
question why she was so uncaring for the other girls even though she knew them
time magic I knew multiple timelines would be brought into the show
Anyways, I see the seeds are planted and see how this ends. At least it handles
time travel
Summary for those that haven't watch and are interested:
This episode puts everything into perspective. It is kind of a sad episode.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I dunno, I much as a laugh at the state of loligeddon, I think you can objectively call some things good and some things bad.
I just assume that Jewelpet is pretty blatant. But I can imagine that it might be like MLP in terms of how it handles its existence as a merchandise delivery platform.
Long series phobia man. I still haven't finished Orange is the New Black and it's one of the best shows of 2013.
Haha, I guess it is a big leap, it's just that I wasn't watching any anime at all for a few years, so when Attack on Titan made me get excited about anime again, my love for cute anime girls got stronger than ever.
Exactly that, at the same time I was laughing at his obvious remarks, I was also thinking "god, shut up, Speedwagon". His loyalty for JoJo was incredible though, hahaha.
The more I think about it, the more I realize I liked it way more than I first thought I did. Can't wait for Battle Tendency. Still sad about the lack of Lotus Juice, though.
Gaworare 01
This is a rather different beast from NouCome. Upon actually watching it, it looks closer to Kaminomi in its execution, only with Souta doing his mission willingly instead of having to be forced into it. Ibuki Kido is just on a roll lately, and Ai Kayano remains as much of a vocal chameleon as ever. The characters, going by what I saw on the website, pull from every anime archetype imaginable, but it's clear that's intentional. All the characters in the classroom scene made that clear. So far, not looking as lewd as NouCome, but the preview for the second episode suggests otherwise. And I'm okay with that. It was a decent start, and I'm looking forward to seeing what all these flags end up doing. I'm an avid visual novel player, these things interest me.
This is a rather different beast from NouCome. Upon actually watching it, it looks closer to Kaminomi in its execution, only with Souta doing his mission willingly instead of having to be forced into it. Ibuki Kido is just on a roll lately, and Ai Kayano remains as much of a vocal chameleon as ever. The characters, going by what I saw on the website, pull from every anime archetype imaginable, but it's clear that's intentional. All the characters in the classroom scene made that clear. So far, not looking as lewd as NouCome, but the preview for the second episode suggests otherwise. And I'm okay with that. It was a decent start, and I'm looking forward to seeing what all these flags end up doing. I'm an avid visual novel player, these things interest me.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
You could give an example of an "objectively bad" show and I can guarantee someone in here likes it and legit thinks it's good.
Mushishi S2 1
I will admit to never watching more than about four or five episodes of the original Mushishi. It's not that I find the stories boring or the artwork lacking in beauty or anything like that. I just happen to feel that it doesn't always make for a good anime.
It has some excellent visual touches - I can't quite remember/understand the technical term hosanna mentioned about animating the Mushi on "ones" or something like that? - no doubt. Thematically, of course, this episode served as a very good introduction - not only in the sake brewer's intrusion into the physical world of the Mushishi but also the supernatural one fo the Mushi themselves, and the curative/fixing elements of both the kouki and the Mushishi.
However, this episode in particular seems occasionally hamstrung by what is either slavish adherence to the (excellent) manga or budgetary limitations. There are so many slow, meditative sequences which essentially pan down a still image (shrouded in shadows, given that most of this episode takes place in the dark or in a dingy sake brewing barn) while someone narrates over the top. It's evocative and interesting - but it doesn't necessarily make for an engaging visual experience.
I'm not demanding every anime to be an over-the-top visual feast - but it does, in this instance, make me want to read the manga instead. I don't know why I've never done so - probably because, as with all manga, I'll burn through the whole series in a couple of hours and be done with it - but I wonder whether my misgivings are justified in this instance.
With that said, it's still a good story being told well here; I just think it lacks something that makes it essential viewing for me.
I will admit to never watching more than about four or five episodes of the original Mushishi. It's not that I find the stories boring or the artwork lacking in beauty or anything like that. I just happen to feel that it doesn't always make for a good anime.
It has some excellent visual touches - I can't quite remember/understand the technical term hosanna mentioned about animating the Mushi on "ones" or something like that? - no doubt. Thematically, of course, this episode served as a very good introduction - not only in the sake brewer's intrusion into the physical world of the Mushishi but also the supernatural one fo the Mushi themselves, and the curative/fixing elements of both the kouki and the Mushishi.
However, this episode in particular seems occasionally hamstrung by what is either slavish adherence to the (excellent) manga or budgetary limitations. There are so many slow, meditative sequences which essentially pan down a still image (shrouded in shadows, given that most of this episode takes place in the dark or in a dingy sake brewing barn) while someone narrates over the top. It's evocative and interesting - but it doesn't necessarily make for an engaging visual experience.
I'm not demanding every anime to be an over-the-top visual feast - but it does, in this instance, make me want to read the manga instead. I don't know why I've never done so - probably because, as with all manga, I'll burn through the whole series in a couple of hours and be done with it - but I wonder whether my misgivings are justified in this instance.
With that said, it's still a good story being told well here; I just think it lacks something that makes it essential viewing for me.
Admiral Woofington
Member
My Little Sister is Unusual.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Dance in the Vampire Bund.
Admittedly, Attack on Titan probably would have been better if it was full of loli moe.
PshycoNinja
Member
No such thing.
I say Angel Beats is great but some on here would "objectively" say it's crap. That's like me saying I "objectively" think The Tatami Galaxy is terrible. We are all subjects to subjectivity here. Story is subjective, character is subjective, music is subjective. Hell even the art is subjective because some people like moe'd up art, while others like artsy/abstract art, while others like grotesque art. All of it is subjective.
Even my most hated anime, Excel Saga, has people on here who say it's amazing and "objectively" good.
It's all subjective to the person calling the shots. Who's to say what is objectively good and bad?
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Hm. I may have been bested.
Pretty sure I've seen at least a couple people in here who like Vampire Bund.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Oh you.gif
Oh god. I erased this from my memory that I didn't even think to bring it up.
So you're telling me that someone likes the seminal Adam Sandler movie, Jack and Jill? Art is subjective, but that doesn't mean that a text can't be universally despised.
PshycoNinja
Member
There was a thread a few seasons ago where someone declared it was a backlog season and chose a few random shows to fit into the weekly schedule to replace the dross.
Something like that but more limited to a single show?
why else would people pay money to go watch it if they don't like it?
Admiral Woofington
Member
While opinion is subjective if you can look me in the eye and say that shows like My Little Sister is Unusual are good, and not just something you enjoy for one reason or the other, then I'll know who to add to my hit list.
I honestly thought I was the only one who enjoyed NouCome around here, it was really hilarious. I especially loved God's picture on his phone.
Exactly, it's freaking amazing, the vocal tracks would fit a comeback so damn well....
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Dance in the Vampire Bund is the black sheep of SHAFT shows. Ain't nobody gonna defend it, hell most folks wouldn't even acknowledge its existence. And nor should they.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Well, unless you're watching a movie for the second+ time, you don't really know if you like it or not when you go see it. You only know that after you've paid. :lol
firehawk12
Subete no aware
For Adam Sandler movies in particular, it's because there are still crazies who go watch his movies regardless of his downward trajectory.
nintendoman58
Member
This is the best episode in the entire series, and one of my favourite episodes of anime in general. Once you see this episode, you can't go back and look at the previous episodes in the same way.
It's the turning point that changes everything you thought of the show in the beginning.
Want to know a not-so fun fact? Due to the 2011 earthquake in Japan, the last two episodes of this show were delayed for about a month IIRC, so people were left at THAT point wondering what the hell was going to happen next for a while.
PshycoNinja
Member
Can anyone really claim to be objective when selecting what anime is good and bad? Because the minute you voice an opinion on the matter it becomes subjective.
Well, they didn't know they didn't like it until they went and watched it!
curlyfriski
Banned
Objective/subjective arguments are almost always dead ends and usually distractions from any actual discussion of a work.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
There are objective measures of quality in visual art. This is where someone posts gifs with the Accel World bathrooms.
There are objective measures of quality in writing. Not just in terms of grammar those technicalities, but even in the more vague aspects of creative fiction in terms of mise en scene, characterization, dramatic structure and so on.
There are objective measures of quality in directing and music as well.
Put all of these together and you can come up with ways to describe the relative success or failure of an anime. The question of whether or not you like something despite some flaw is another question entirely though. I'll admit that there are things that I like despite themselves. I apologize for the fanservice for Yamato 2199, for example, even though I can objectively say that the women wear skintight uniforms for the purposes of objectification and only objectification (and the related figure sales
).I should have worded my question differently
right but despite his downward trajectory, there are still people going to his movies and you even bafflingly have 3 critics liking it on rotten tomatoes
Amended.
PshycoNinja
Member
Honestly I think this discussion has ran it's course. Dividing up the already small community of anime viewers is counterproductive. If you don't like some discussions that go on or if you feel their "too dumb" for you then just do what I do and ignore those discussions until you happen upon one that tickles your fancy.
But it's easier when you pick targets like ImoCho, but it gets complicated with stuff like Oreimo. Judging from some reactions when I said I was watching it, I'm pretty sure a lot of people would agree that it would never belong to the "good animes" thread, but I did think it was pretty damn good, aside from the season 2 ovas.
I wouldn't think twice about ranking Oreimo Season 2 over Kill la Kill, for example, if I was voting for AOTY 2013 today. Now, I'm sure some people will think "but Kill la Kill is shit too", but I doubt it would deserve an "objectively bad" sticker.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
There are also scientists who claim that climate change is not real though. Or that God created the Earth, for that matter.
I see we've reached our periodic stage of hand-wringing over the signal to noise ratio in the thread. Yes, discussion in the thread has skewed more toward otaku demographic shows that provoke less analytical interpretation and stimulating conversation for a long time now and we're essentially entrenched in two mutually-exclusive circles that barely engage each other, but the idea of a second thread that requires active policing for this nebulous concept of "post quality" just sounds like a degrading farce for everyone involved.
Our community did what it was inevitably going to do and shifted to more accurately reflect the makeup of the overall anime community in terms of interests. That presents challenges for anyone who enjoyed the disproportionately high representation of highbrow interests, but it's not that hard to skim and I feel its difficulty is largely exaggerated when this topic of conversation arises. I don't have such a high opinion of my own thoughts and insights that I would participate in a thread that ostensibly exists to remind certain posters that their contributions are regarded as chaff.
Our community did what it was inevitably going to do and shifted to more accurately reflect the makeup of the overall anime community in terms of interests. That presents challenges for anyone who enjoyed the disproportionately high representation of highbrow interests, but it's not that hard to skim and I feel its difficulty is largely exaggerated when this topic of conversation arises. I don't have such a high opinion of my own thoughts and insights that I would participate in a thread that ostensibly exists to remind certain posters that their contributions are regarded as chaff.
Jex
Member
It's funny that you talk about the material that's been worked on not making for the best 'anime' when Flowers of Evil was, of course, criticised along similar lines!
I apologize for the fanservice for Yamato 2199, for example, even though I can objectively say that the women wear skintight uniforms for the purposes of objectification and only objectification (and the related figure sales
The skintight uniforms are a throwback to the origins of Yamato, which was born out of the heavily misogynistic sci-fi of the 70s. By juxtaposing this relic of the past with the new more substantial roles female characters play in Yamato 2199, the show makes us aware of how much has changed between then and now, and how much further we still have left to go. It's a metaphor for the show itself, which, at its core, is about persevering through adversity despite impossible odds in order to reach one's goals.
PshycoNinja
Member
Nicely put. Thank you for the post.
What's amazing is there was barely any gratuitous sex in the premiere and people still went wild over it.
Intelligent and junk will be determined by the least most discriminating GAF member.
That or someone who doesn't ever watch anime.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Admiral Woofington
Member
I know there are words in here skeeter, and they dun' sound like they make sense hyuck hyuck.
But yes agreed. I've been part of both groups in providing deep insights into shows and basically crap reviews meant to insult the show or its audience. I like both sides.
If somebody wants to come and say how Mushishi is an analogy for Japan post-world war II (I'm bullshitting), all to you. Bring your thoughts and your reasoning and we'll discuss.
I already know which members here fully deconstruct shows in a professional-inspired fashion vs those who just tell me 'HNNNNNNNNNG'. I'm part of the cynical crowd. Every color makes the world go round.
Save 'N Quit
Banned
This is basically me but with Pupa
right, they are wrong, but my point is there are some fools that think Jack and Jill is good in this world and probably enjoyed it
firehawk12
Subete no aware
There were still tits and a token gay kiss. lol
I think contrarians should be removed as statistical anomalies.
On the flip side, there's also Armond White.
Who would determine these type of things? The moderation team? Some selection of 'trusted' users? Who would be determined as trusted? What if someone put forth a logical argument about why something is good or bad but someone also puts forth a logical argument of dissent. Who is correct in this case? How could that even be determined? What constitutes "intelligent discussion" anyway? Discussion supported by rational thought? As useful as that is, emotional response, knee-jerk reactions, even satiating an individual niche taste are all equally valid components of enjoying a creative work, and in this case what we have here suits that purpose just fine. Verbosity? You can just as easily put forth a logical argument in two sentences as you can in five paragraphs, and the two sentences can be more precise. Effort in composition or research? Sometimes research is unnecessary when intuition will do. Drawing a conclusion that agrees with whatever group of members you consider to be trustworthy and/or aligned with your particular tastes? Now that's just the cynic in me talking...
Why do I feel like some people are trying to hide behind the veneer of an "intelligent anime thread" when their true intent is plainly "I don't want people to make posts I don't like". Hell, Brandy pretty much said as much whether he intended to or not.
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