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Winter-Spring 2014 Anime |OT3| People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time
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While of course the two shows are comparable thanks to their director, I actually felt the rotoscoping (in as much as it made parts of the show very "live action") worked quite effectively in what I watched of Flowers of Evil. I found said show a little too "challenging" for me - both in terms of its highly unlikeable protagonists, and also perhaps in its presentation - but after getting over the initial shock of ZOMG FUGLY ROTOSCOPING I felt that the show made its look work for it.
I can't speak for how similar it was to the manga - Mushishi just strikes me as being very clearly storyboarded from a comic - but Flowers of Evil certainly seemed to make clever use of movement and visuals in a way that I'm not sure Mushishi always does. There was a shot in the first episode of Flowers of Evil, IIRC, where some characters are walking down the road and we view them in the reflection of one of those convex mirrors you sometimes see on street corners. Maybe not the most "innovative" of shots, but given that the scene it was used in was essentially - yes - just "talking", I felt that it made a more interesting use of the visual component of the show than it might otherwise have done.
firehawk12
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Hey, I'm not for segregating the thread or any of that stuff anyway. (Besides, didn't you celebrate when all K-On talk was moved to its own thread
)I just think there is a way to say a text is good or bad that goes beyond simple subjectivity.
Am I absolutely crazy or was there never any indication that Oberyn Martel was bi? Like, I recall his wife being so, but him? I have NO memory of this thing.
Ah yes, I've done the stream-of-consciousness thing once or twice before (I recall doing it with Hoshi no Umi no Amuri episodes two and three, as well as the first episode of Yozakura Quartet a couple seasons back). I just feel the urge to do it occasionally when I'm watching something where there are so many random little things going on to react to that I don't feel like I'd be able to remember it all and make it into a coherent summary at the end. I do try to make my moment-to-moment impressions detailed enough that they're fairly easy to follow, though (hence why they seem to end up as monsterposts =p)
Love Live 7
Nozomi, I approve of your method of punishing Nico. Please continue.
Love Live 8
Aaaaaand it looks like μ's finally has its full cast of members! That song wasn't even bad.
AnathemicOne
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Now you know why Homura is best girl
The thinig about Pupa is that the length still makes it so you wanna go through with it. It's quite something.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
It's Game of Thrones, everyone is bi. lol
Save 'N Quit
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You're not getting that avatar quote.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
lol
That's a nice platitude but in the actuality of reality there's only so much a single poster can do, especially if you focus on quality of posts over quantity.
Well, I mean, if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. But it sounds to me more like there are a few people who are scared that it might actually succeed. Who does it hurt to try?
I imagine the guidelines would be determined by the consensus of those who with to participate. I think something like the idea of a group watch and discussion of select shows that's been done before is a good idea. Maybe also allow people to post about and discuss other shows if they follow the guidelines.
astrogamer
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Puchimas 8
Very adorable laughter
Very adorable laughter
Kamigami no Asobi 1
I haven't watched a harem show, reverse or otherwise, in a long time. Are they always this transparent? The show makes absolutely no effort to hide its origins as a dating game in its structure or storyline; it even appears to have decided on its "end game" couple within the first 90 seconds of the episode beginning.
At least this show deigns to suggest its heroine might have some kind of competency, beside being The Chosen One - even if that competency just means "kind of okay at kendo and a little uncertain about her future". I suppose teaching the immortal gods how to fall in love is a better career path than worrying about university entrance exams, after all.
Reverse harems feel so chaste (well, the non-abusive ones anyway) compared to those targetted at shounen/seinen demographics, although the transformation sequence here is a little racy perhaps. It's almost kind of quaint.
Anyway, the only reason I really watched this was because I was hoping there would be lots of terrible Latin sprinkled throughout it (there are no Roman gods in it, only Greek ones). Alas, the only bit we get is the show's title - "Ludere Deorum" does not mean "Game of the Gods" (it means something like "To Play Of The Gods" - it's not grammatical). I emerge, unfortunately, dissatisfied by the experience.
I haven't watched a harem show, reverse or otherwise, in a long time. Are they always this transparent? The show makes absolutely no effort to hide its origins as a dating game in its structure or storyline; it even appears to have decided on its "end game" couple within the first 90 seconds of the episode beginning.
At least this show deigns to suggest its heroine might have some kind of competency, beside being The Chosen One - even if that competency just means "kind of okay at kendo and a little uncertain about her future". I suppose teaching the immortal gods how to fall in love is a better career path than worrying about university entrance exams, after all.
Reverse harems feel so chaste (well, the non-abusive ones anyway) compared to those targetted at shounen/seinen demographics, although the transformation sequence here is a little racy perhaps. It's almost kind of quaint.
Anyway, the only reason I really watched this was because I was hoping there would be lots of terrible Latin sprinkled throughout it (there are no Roman gods in it, only Greek ones). Alas, the only bit we get is the show's title - "Ludere Deorum" does not mean "Game of the Gods" (it means something like "To Play Of The Gods" - it's not grammatical). I emerge, unfortunately, dissatisfied by the experience.
Maybe I just didn't notice it when I was reading the books, then. It'll likely be much more obvious if/when the next book comes out.
firehawk12
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Jamie's going to be riding some guy by the end of Season 8, I bet.
And hours and hours of build up to Jamie and Brienne will amount to nothing.
Which is still my biggest fear about Dany. Like I sort of am concerned that she's Frodo and Sam if Frodo and Sam stopped in Ithilien and just never bothered to go any nearer to fucking Mordor.
Jex
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If I may just chime in on this debate, the 'hand-wringing' will naturally arise in a thread with so many people in it. The idea of an open, supportive and inclusive Anime Thread naturally means that you simply aren't going to cater to that section of people who only want to engage in more detailed criticism of anime. It just doesn't fit with the model that we are running over here in Community. That's not really a bad thing or a good thing, it's just how this thread operates. What it means in practice is that we get a really interesting variety of opinions on a diverse selection of anime and everyone has an equal opportunity to participate however they see fit. And that's a really good thing and a key strength of the thread.
That doesn't mean that it's pointless to try and engage in serious criticism of anime. As the thread is open to all that means that an analytic approach is just as viable as a stream-of-consicousness approach and if people want to see the thread focus in a certain area than they're free to work to make that happen. I'll happily read, and comment on your longer posts (and even make them myself when I'm not being lazy). You can lead by example! However, that takes a lot more work and so, really, if people want to see more of that they should comment and engage with posters who put out the extra effort. There's nothing more disheartening that working on a lengthy post and feeling like no-one has read it or taken it in.
Honestly I'd say things are actually better than they have been in awhile because each season doesn't have like 6 OT's and that's a good thing. The criticism to content ration is therefore better than before.
Finally, I would disagree that the idea of 'post quality' is nebulous. Heck, some people people already think that NeoGAF's level of moderation is fairly totalitarian and the rules of this site have created a certain atmosphere. You could (theoretically) enforce an even stricter level of moderation with the intent of creating a certain level of discourse, but this isn't the right place for it. You literally need different moderation standards.
Are they ever not? All harems stemming from dating games generally always introduce the potential boys/girls in the first episode. Speaking of fujoshi ones, I can't think of one that didn't do that from the past couple years.
i guess there aren't very many shoujo reverse harem mangas or ln's, comparative to shounen, so crappy vn's get adapted to anime instead
Hey, I'm not for segregating the thread or any of that stuff anyway. (Besides, didn't you celebrate when all K-On talk was moved to its own thread
I didn't campaign for it, it just happened without any action on my part!
Besides, that thread has a clear purpose and an unambiguous topic of discussion. It's for fans of K-On to talk about K-On (no shit!). What would be the purpose of segregating the general anime thread in this manner? How would any of the ambiguities I stated be addressed? Why is such a consideration even worth exploring in the first place?
Indeed. Off the top of my head, there's one running at the moment that's based on Snow White and the Seven Dwarves where the dwarves - and the Wicked Witch who is clearly the end-game partner - are all bishounen, but I can't think of many other manga.
Fruits Basket, perhaps?
firehawk12
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In a twist, it turns out that Dany's story gets its own spinoff series where all she does is fuck around in the desert for the rest of her life.
Well, there are the OTs anyway. If someone wants to make a Black Bullet OT and talk about red-eyed lolis, there's nothing stopping them from doing it.
Jex
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I'm not an agitator in favour of a separate thread or anything, but your arguments here don't make much sense.
The people who'd decide such rules would obviously be the moderation team, and they'd set up rules regarding post quality. What said rules might be are open for debate, I posted an example of a list earlier from a very popular and important TV Forum. The idea of "What constitutes good posting" already exists and is part of NeoGAF, so it's not a particularly wild or impossible to enforce idea.
The Wallflower springs to mind. That started off as a manga and got an anime series.
There's a bunch. There's Diabolik Lovers from last season, Boys over Flowers is another famous one. And UtaPri, another show I only remember because DTL always posted about it. There are a lot more reverse harems in the world of manga, just walk down the shoujo aisle at your local weeaboo store and you'll probably notice a pattern. If it's not a harem it's like, twilight, which is one girl and two guys.
I think there are just more guy otakus than girl otakus.
I think there are just more guy otakus than girl otakus.
About the K-ON thread, does it mean I can't talk about it here when I start watching it or is it only to avoid people constantly talking about K-ON here even when nobody's watching it?
I know exactly how you feel.
Very nice anime though, loved the opening song.
I know exactly how you feel.
Very nice anime though, loved the opening song.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Seriously,
Fuck Nina Vento!!
Fuck Nina Vento!!
firehawk12
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Ouran of course.
I think most shoujo based on manga are more love triangle based than harem based though, because triangles are much more concentrated doses of drama.
Jex
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And that's part of what this all boils down to, right? Forums dedicated expressly to anime exist and they feature all kinds of posters will all kind of tastes spread across different boards and different threads. There's a lot of space.
Meanwhile, on NeoGAF, everyone (who wishes to be active with new season as a whole) posts here. It's a miracle that it works as well as it does, really.
Yeah, this.
It's okay for a guy to be a slut, but not a girl etc., rape culture, etc.
Jex
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You can talk about it wherever you feel like. No anime is banned from in here.
firehawk12
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Worst plot twist ever.
People talk about K-ON here all the time. Just post about it and you'll see what happens. lol
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Naw, think about shoujo writing for a second - half the chapters are internal monologues where the girl frets about the boy she likes. Doing that with twelve guys makes it completely disingenuous. In normal harems, there's no real angst because the guy is not expected to actually end up with any one.
Not even Korra no Densetsu.
Diabolik Lovers and UtaPri are both visual novels originally. Boys Over Flowers/Hana Yori Dango, however, does count - as does The Wallflower, which Jeff mentioned.
Absolutely - or at least fewer girl otakus interested in harem stories. I went on a brief experiment to try and read every title currently running in Hana to Yume a year or so ago, and while most of the stories had at least some romantic element very few presented multiple love interests. To be fair, that's probably about as proportional a representation as in most shounen/seinen anthologies, so I'm not sure what that proves if anything!
Officially anyway, but if you sound too enthusiastic about SAO or the likes people will take issue with you.
It's like the Scarlet Letter, except instead of 'A', it's 'SAO'.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The thing with the VNs is that they don't have harem endings. At least, if TokiMemo Girl's Side or Hakuouki are any indication. The thing is that when you adapt them, you inevitably have to make them harem to include everyone one. Amnesia did the Amagami thing by separating each of the boys though.
Oh yeah, there was Brave 10, which was based on a manga and not a VN. But that basically had a OTP.
A stands for Asuna-lover.
Jex
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But of course. And that's what you should expect from posting on the internet where people have strong opinions, they might just take juncture with yours. You should be ready to defend your opinions. Or you can just acknowledge that you aren't interested in an actual debate, which is fine too.
Since this is pretty much the catch-all anime thread on this board I'm surprised it has too.
There's still a bunch of things like this weird "beef" some members of ToonamiGAF seem (seemed?) to have with the AnimeGAF community or the fact that discussion seems to go a mile a minute at times leaving some people a bit apprehensive to join in but (and I say this with utmost sincerity) this is by far the best anime community I've associated with in my 8+ years of message board-ing. Tons of different viewpoints regarding the medium and it's still managed to work out for better or worse.
firehawk12
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Also, guys, let's talk about the future of dating sims instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcGPYxpPt6Q
Preordered, etc.
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I just assumed ToonamiGAF was into its own things because of the different shows that they inevitably watch. Space Dandy is probably the only real crossover because of the whole simulcast thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcGPYxpPt6Q
Preordered, etc.
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I just assumed ToonamiGAF was into its own things because of the different shows that they inevitably watch. Space Dandy is probably the only real crossover because of the whole simulcast thing.
The plot twist wasn't so great, but it was done early on so it wasn't like the big twist of the series or anything. I liked the way they handled the character, and was really surprised to see
how they didn't came up with bullshit to save the main cast, it's a war and people die just like that. That was pretty cool. The protagonist had plot armor, sure, but it was to be expected since the story was about him just as much as it was about the expedition, if not more. And they handled it in a nice way by not putting his life in danger all the time, so it made sense for him to survive when he did.
I usually don't have a problem with open endings, and don't mind the ending being a new expedition, but the plot with that woman (forgot her name) was clearly meant to be turned into a second season, and even though I did enjoy Koiuta, I don't want a season 2.
What made me go "Fuck Nina Viento", personally, was that Ari was in love with Kal too >_<
I usually don't have a problem with open endings, and don't mind the ending being a new expedition, but the plot with that woman (forgot her name) was clearly meant to be turned into a second season, and even though I did enjoy Koiuta, I don't want a season 2.
What made me go "Fuck Nina Viento", personally, was that Ari was in love with Kal too >_<
Chiharu is great but I think I'll go with Ari for best girl. And I was really into Claire when they first revealed her.
Good to know, I'm expecting great things from K-ON, every gif I see is the most adorable thing ever.
WHAT
Admiral Woofington
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So after asking for more intelligent discussions, we have a page discussing that topic. I think this thread is fine as is.
Well besides the double season title.
Well besides the double season title.
Chet Rippo
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I talk about K-ON! in every thread I post in. You should join us in the K-ON thread anyways.
firehawk12
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She's the :Kanna of the show. Of course she's doomed.
I appreciate the theme of forgiveness, but it was just done in the most melodramatic way possible.
I mean, there was a movie about a guy who finds out he had an affair with a Nazi that is much less angsty than this anime. lol
It's scary.
PshycoNinja
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I'll say this in it's defence, it's not Rebellion.
firehawk12
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All I really wanted was for Dany to ride into Westeros and burn it all to the ground at the end of the series. Just end it all in draconic victory.
Admiral Woofington
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Yeah the melodrama, the school setting and the ending killed the show for me. I mean I still enjoyed it over-all but it could've been so much better. Also just the flip flopping of the main character.
Character development =/= "Ooooh I hate this character, but mommy said bla, so now I dont hate the character."
firehawk12
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She's too busy being boring in the desert to do that though.
The way he goes from
being shocked into a catatonic state to wanting to save her in an episode was just a bit too ridiculous.
I will, but I have to watch it first, and it'll probably take a while.
I think the only drama that really felt forced as shit to me was Ignacio's. He was the generic cool dude before we got to know his backstory, but after that, oh god. And the way he overcame that was the most stupid shit ever.
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