Witcher 3 downgrade arguments in here and nowhere else
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I mean, we've been told as recently as January of this year that high end PCs will be able to replicate the graphics shown in the VGX trailer and that there has been no downgrade whatsoever, if the gameplay footage since then doesn't match up with these claims then people will just assume that either these weren't taken at the highest settings or their claims are false
A three minute trailer of careful selected cutscenes for the most part. I think it's silly that people expect random gameplay to look as impressive as cinematic cutscenes. And the little gameplay shown in those trailers consists of a handful of 1 or 2-second choice slices.
I am willing to bet that the majority of cutscenes shown in those trailers will still be in the game and look identical or similar. I also bet that there are cutscenes in the game that will impress people more than any of the cutscenes in those trailers.
By this logic, this was false advertising 1-2 years ago, when it was the only video available to the public?
Fiercedeity
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I get the anger over companies misleading their customers but i don't get not playing a good game because the graphics aren't quite as good as you thought they'd be. On the other hand, it could be looked at as boycotting so I don't know.
Foliage seems 2D, with no shadows now.
With regards to that, there is an extreme downgrade.
It's unfortunate too, because many of the game's environments seem to have dense foliage (from what's been shown, at least).
Not sure why CDPR are adamant about the "no downgrade" thing, since all it does is place them in the same tier of bullshit as Ubisoft PR :/
Will wait for deep discounts via steam sales next yea, these misleading practices shouldn't be awarded with full price purchases.
With regards to that, there is an extreme downgrade.
It's unfortunate too, because many of the game's environments seem to have dense foliage (from what's been shown, at least).
Not sure why CDPR are adamant about the "no downgrade" thing, since all it does is place them in the same tier of bullshit as Ubisoft PR :/
Will wait for deep discounts via steam sales next yea, these misleading practices shouldn't be awarded with full price purchases.
But you have eyes don't you? You have many videos, screens to look, to see .. you can decide by looking at them if you like them and are ok with them, or you don't like them and just don't buy/don't play the game
In the meantime I'm going to play this beaty
+1 That's exactly what much of this is about.
plasmawave
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So, you guys are saying this is EXACTLY like the Watch Dogs case but it's OK because it's CDPR.
Apoleptica
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I just want to know if the downgrade was for the sake of parity with consoles. Though I doubt cdpr would ever admit it if that were the case.
miDnIghtEr20C
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This game looks great. Looks really nice.
Lion Heart
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Does this game still have a boat you can sail on like they showed years ago?
But you have eyes don't you? You have many videos, screens to look, to see .. you can decide by looking at them if you like them and are ok with them, or you don't like them and just don't buy/don't play the game
In the meantime I'm going to play this beaty
While we're just comparing completely different places in the game, I have to say that that screenshot looks just as good to my eyes as any of the overhyped screenshots from the first trailers.
WetTreeLeaf
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That chicken doesnt have a shadow! Downgrade of downgrades!
Yes, there is boats you can find and set sail. And enemies can rip said boat apart piece by piece.
ArkkAngel007
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Just to be clear since the source doesn't say: are these Ultra comparisons, as so far the leaks seem to be the console versions?
And the bottom 'BONUS' comparison of the videos says no blood on ground like in older footage, but one of the streams showed that was in still.
Probably still "downgraded" (obviously the particle effects flying through the air in the village scene is BS), but are these comparisons sound?
Edit: Hell, even a screenshot someone just put up is the XBO version...
And the bottom 'BONUS' comparison of the videos says no blood on ground like in older footage, but one of the streams showed that was in still.
Probably still "downgraded" (obviously the particle effects flying through the air in the village scene is BS), but are these comparisons sound?
Edit: Hell, even a screenshot someone just put up is the XBO version...
HawksWinStanley
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Yeesh I haven't been keeping up with this stuff as I've been on a semi blackout but it sucks that the visuals dropped off that much from the original gameplay. The game is a must buy for me regardless but that's still disappointing.
Its OK cuz the game looks and plays great anyway, so what's the big deal?
pls don't start a system war pls stop !! xD
Crossing Eden
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No, because these compressed to hell and back screenshot are in no way indicative of the visuals.
fluffydelusions
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Downgrade or not, game still looks amazing to me ~shrugs
Ah, the classic 'You were never truly dedicated to the cause, so you must be trolling' manoeuvre so often seen in Driveclub threads.
Only people who were dead set on buying a game should be allowed to have opinions about it!
Sad indeed.
ArkkAngel007
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That's another debate, which was infamous in the downgrade claims in Bloodborne.
That falls further down the line after figuring out if what we're comparing is platform to platform and setting to setting.
Yep. Lots of people seem to have double standards here. It's disappointing.
No.. but if you are not ok with the game in current state, don't buy her.. but It just seems silly to me comparing one trailer with 6 scenes which are 2 second long to some screenshots for more than a year.. if you only going to bitching on web before the release (which is in one-two weeks) you thing you going to change something? Don't buy the game, wait till the reviews are going to be out, look for screens from the final version and if the game is still looking worse then how you hoped for, then start bitching again about it..
LegalEagleMike
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It definitely is not veal after 2 years!
All videos in this threads opening post supposedly are recorded using Ultra preset; http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1036594
Also that posted screenshot, http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163360090&postcount=708 is from PC.
Edit: Why people are ignoring time when TW3 was ran and showcased on DX9 renderer that was ripped straight from engine version that ran TW2? This was after e.g. VGX2013 trailer and looked way worse than trailer.
It's false advertisement and I've been noticing the down grading for a long time now.
I'm also still planning on being the game and I'm hyped as fuck for it. It's gonna be awesome.
What "system wars" ?
The downgrade is noticeable across all platforms, at least in terms of the foliage, relative to what was shown in the reveal trailer.
That has nothing to do with a "system war".
ArkkAngel007
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Ah, I missed that thread. Thank you.
Deep Down was also another case where Neogaf was okay with criticizing a downgrade. "Deep Downgrade" practically became a meme.
EatChildren
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Foliage quality looks to have taken the biggest hit in density and transparency resolution, along with LOD culling, and really disappoints me. "But it still looks good / who cares" is the shittiest fucking counter argument.
On the other hand, older shots are super sampled and probably use the sharpening filter, so who knows what's what.
On the other hand, older shots are super sampled and probably use the sharpening filter, so who knows what's what.
Self_Destructive
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People also need to remember that the PS4 and Xbox console specs most likely were not finalized when TW3 began development. PC being the lead platform with which the game began development resulted in the early trailers looking better. Things change during development, and it looks to me like the made appropriate sacrifices to have the game look and play well enough on consoles.
The game is still a beauty, and will most likely be the best looking game out (of it's kind for sure)
The screenshot thread will be glorious for sure
It's not a counter argument... it's acceptance. People who are mad just need to get over it.
The game is still a beauty, and will most likely be the best looking game out (of it's kind for sure)
The screenshot thread will be glorious for sure
It's not a counter argument... it's acceptance. People who are mad just need to get over it.
I know downgrades are the theme this gen and devs are getting a lot of flak for it, but really, remember when game reveals were all "target" CG. I rather a "target" made from high end PC in game gameplay to at least get an idea of what the game will look like than CG targets that are impossible to come close too.
+1
Even with compressed Youtube footage, these were pretty noticeable.
Oh lol, my bad, it completely went over my head :3
orthodoxy1095
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I'd be interested in a legitimate conversation about the way the graphics have changed since reveal, but how can we have that when the OP of this thread is full of screenshots without sources or details on the specs/settings of the hardware?
EatChildren
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It can be accepted and still discussed from a technical and curiosity standpoint, hence the purpose of this thread.
Surface of Me
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The image originated from /v/, that's all you really need to know. They love to stir shit up.
No. First of all, I've already explained how I personally think the Watch Dogs thing was overblown. It deserved some attention, but not the extreme reaction and negative hyperbole that surrounded it.
Second of all, I don't think there is evidence of an overall downgrade in the case of The Witcher 3. Certainly not anything significant enough to make a fuss about.
LurkerPrime
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This is going to be a real miserable generation if every game gets its own |DGOT|
But only if pre-alpha footage is representative of the final game.
Battlefront is here to remind us that target CG renders are alive and well.
But only if pre-alpha footage is representative of the final game.
Battlefront is here to remind us that target CG renders are alive and well.
This mechanism is built around exploiting the psychology of how purchasing things works. It's not just stupid people. It's a manipulation. I don't really care about The Witcher, but this exciting "faked" footage sells people on the game, it locks purchasers in. People should be intelligent enough to understand things like personal finance or warranties, but there are still protections in place that stop advertisers from exploiting flaws in the psychological ticks that exist in humans.
Also, most people probably only see the game once before the game is released. They aren't following leaks and monitoring Twitch streams.
I doubt that's what happened, there would be a shitstorm if true.
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