I'm confused. Are we supposed to be impressed by these pics?
Witcher 3 downgrade arguments in here and nowhere else
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I'm confused. Are we supposed to be impressed by these pics?
HeWhoWalks
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None of the pics really do the game justice. You have to see it in motion. One of the most beautiful (not just best looking) games out.
Bornstellar
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non-ENB skyrim perhaps.
ken_matthews
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I just bought the game on Steam, and the game looks amazing maxed out. Granted, the visuals can be somewhat inconsistent, and it definitely looks different (worse?) than the earlier screens and footage, but overall it is probably the second best looking open world game to date. And the game just happens to be really fun, so I am happy with the purchase.
viveks86
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Why do I care? Feel free to ignore it, praise it, analyze it or tear it part.
Kinda subjective, no? I'm just saying it never elicited the same emotion from me as this game has from just roaming around and doing 3 side quests.
Just look at this Flatcher 3 stuff here...
http://international.download.nvidi...tive-comparison-2-1920x1080-vs-3840x2160.html
Is that supposed to be using the highest settings?
http://international.download.nvidi...tive-comparison-2-1920x1080-vs-3840x2160.html
Is that supposed to be using the highest settings?
HeWhoWalks
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Of course it's subjective, but I was mainly giving you a hard time (we're Titan X SLI brothers, after all
)!DarkLordMalik
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Obvious downgrade is obvious =/
So where all the people who were asking to wait for a proper comparison before screaming downgrade?
December 2014 "Bullshot"
Viveks Screenshot from PC version maxed out with ini Tweaks at 4K(?)
So where all the people who were asking to wait for a proper comparison before screaming downgrade?
Shadowplay1979
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These look so good..i want it tonight but still cant find info if nuuvem keys are region locked
Sax Russel
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Before playing the game: Much sadness and sighing about the downgrade apocalypse.
After spending the last few hours playing the game: The downgrade is real but god damn the game still looks amazing and is a blast. So easy now to put all the bullshit behind me and just enjoy it.
For everyone that remains here whining and moaning and gnashing: So much pity. But oh well, whatever floats your boat =P
After spending the last few hours playing the game: The downgrade is real but god damn the game still looks amazing and is a blast. So easy now to put all the bullshit behind me and just enjoy it.
For everyone that remains here whining and moaning and gnashing: So much pity. But oh well, whatever floats your boat =P
CassidyIzABeast
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see man, I knew we should have canceled the generation while we still had a chance. Now its too late and we're stuck for the next 6 years.
viveks86
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The shot was taken at 1440p with INI tweaks. With regard to the "obvious downgrade", mind listing your observations? Here are mine:
"Downgrade"
- Messed up floor looks a little less messed up in the current version. Probably weaker screen space decals. Probably deliberate. The one above looks unnaturally exaggerated imo.
"Upgrade"
- Better shadow quality. The older shot shows a large amount of noise/dithering in its outline. Check right side outline.
- Strong AO and depth on the creeeping vines on the wall, that is barely there in the shot above and completely disappears as it moves upwards. In fact it's a bit too strong in the shot below that the top half looks like it's floating.
- Texturing of vines looks better in shot below. Check left hand side of the pic. That portion of the shot above looks flat and tacked on.
"Inconclusive"
- Shadows are much stronger on the pic below than the one above. Could be related to slightly different TOD, INI tweaks that don't match original setting etc
Dictator93
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What are you exactly seeing on a technical level the implies a degridation of assets, shadowing, or shading which would increase framerates? aka, downgrade? Point to them specifically please, don't say something like "the lighting looks better".
Shadows are much harsher. Notice the wall on the far right. Instead of a soft, painting-like effect of the background shrubbery, we have in-your-face- 3D vines. Even the grass suffers the same fate.
The original picture honestly looks very pleasant to the eyes. Like video games have finally reached a graphical point where we don't need to be reminded of technical prowess of obvious special/ graphical effects. All elements blend in seamlessly to create, a beautiful scene.
The one below is the exact opposite of that. Individually some of the assets look great, while some don't. Combined, they create a jarring effect.
Severely disappointing.
DarkLordMalik
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I am not saying this game looks bad. I have personally played it on PS4 too. But it is certainly not the best looking game. But this is your own opinion and your are entitled to it.
The downgrade is also obvious. I am sorry if you can't see it but don't deny it either.
Vivek I know you are trying to fight the fight for CDPR, but let it rest. The downgrade was and is real. The game is still pretty but that doesnt take away the fact that CDPR lied, deceived and misrepresented their product up until the moment the game booted up. You are resorting to INI tweeks to get as close as you can to save face. That should tell you something.
You can post pretty shots of the game but find me where the original labeled "in-game" footage is and then we can talk.
You can post pretty shots of the game but find me where the original labeled "in-game" footage is and then we can talk.
Dictator93
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I am not saying this game looks bad. I have personally played it on PS4 too. But it is certainly not the best looking game. But this is your own opinion and your are entitled to it.
Change the contrast or gamma in the second image. It is obviously just a post processing difference there.
D-D-D-DOWNGRADE!
Really don't care if downgraded or not, dammit the game looks gorgeous
viveks86
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I don't give a shit about CDPR. If you want me to respond to you, either stay technical or ignore it. It's not my job to submit images that you demand so that "we can talk". I've played 3 side quests and have not progressed much at all. If I recognize anything from the trailers as I play through in the coming days, I'll post it, just like I did for the shot being debated right now. Judge the shots if you like, but I don't appreciate you telling me what I should do.
Pretty much. The shot I posted has extremely harsh shadows. Probably my fault since I went overboard with some of the variables. Monkey meets spanner
Seriously, if you don't fucking zoom in, both pictures look good and the same.
Yes, some places were downgraded I saw it too but in that picture they're pretty almost identical if you don't zoom in FOR ME.
HeWhoWalks
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Agreed. I'm not sure why it must still be "noted" that there was a downgrade. Hardly anyone would disagree. However, the ini tweaks and Ultra settings have at least allowed the game to shine in other ways.
viveks86
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Depends on what you are looking for. There have been dozens of claims about features being removed entirely or the engine itself is not capable of such fidelity anymore, because they ripped everything out due to consoles. Don't you want to analyze those claims?
I took Viveks image and adjusted the contrast/added sharpening (I'm not good at photoshop btw):
Eh, I think you're way off with Unity other than their lighting and Infamous, as much as I love that game, doesn't come close to the environments in Witcher 3. GTA V looks incredible though, and it's expected considering how long they took to develop the PC version after the consoles. CDPR could have done the same, and you would have seen a huge difference between their PC/console versions.
Couldn't agree more.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Not much of a performance hit increasing the grass density in the ini. As others have said you lose foliage variety but damn does it look lush.
viveks86
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I took Viveks image and adjusted the contrast/added sharpening (I'm not good at photoshop btw):
Thanks!
icecold1983
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open world games that look better than witcher 3:
GTA V
Unity
Infamous
the only gen 8 open world game witcher graphically beats is watch dogs, and thats not much of an accomplishment. Dictator will you be making that thread showing that there wasnt a downgrade now that you have the game?
GTA V
Unity
Infamous
the only gen 8 open world game witcher graphically beats is watch dogs, and thats not much of an accomplishment. Dictator will you be making that thread showing that there wasnt a downgrade now that you have the game?
DarkLordMalik
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First of all, keep in mind that you have a monstrous rig and hence why I used your screenshot. Second you were also the one who wanted to post a "wall of shame" once the game is out. Now that the game is out, it turns out that what we feared is true after all.
If you want a list, and don't see it in the GIFs.
- Textures on clothes are pared down and not as detailed as the original. Unless you aren't using the best quality textures here? Pretty obvious in the first GIF.
- The ground textures and geometry has been pared down. Even some of the textures on wall don't appear to have any sort of tessellations to them. (check the wall textures on the top right corner near the vine)
- Foliage has still taken a big hit, but this one was proved multiple times and has been proven again. The thing here is that foliage was supposedly better looking in the tutorial area but if this suggests anything, it is not. Infact the foliage seems to be a mix of good and bad foliage, judging from one of your earlier screenshot where it looks rather decent.
Regarding the shadows and AO, they are nothing worthy of being called an "upgrade" here considering it is always possible to brute force them in games.
Now all this doesn't state that the game doesn't look good. I need to stress this here. It is still a good looking open world game but the quality is inconsistent across the board and the smoke and mirror trailers of 2013 and 2014 don't exist anymore.
That is what so many people keep ignoring over and over even though it is repeated constantly. CDprojekt likes the sharpening filter on their images. Sharpening really changes the way images look heavily.
Yes there are assets that have been toned down here and there. But that sharpening filter is to blame for many peoples expectations rather than the entire game being downgraded severely. Sharpening needs to die.
Yes there are assets that have been toned down here and there. But that sharpening filter is to blame for many peoples expectations rather than the entire game being downgraded severely. Sharpening needs to die.
viveks86
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Now this is a post I can at least appreciate, even if I disagree. Thanks for being respectful.
P.S: The wall of shame was a joke. I'd clarified that right after I said it.
texhnolyze
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The Witcher 3 has flat foliage?
Indeed.
They just look different for me.
Kinda curious tbh
I see all these sharpened screenshots and IMO it looks a million times better just because it's been run through a sharpening filter. That's pretty much what CDPR is absolutely 100% guilty of here, running screenshots through photoshop to touch em up.
Like, I don't have the slightest clue about this stuff, but is there an option to do that in game? Be kinda neat and surreal to see what running around with the kind filters photoshop is adding to those screenshots would look like. Granted my mere 970 isn't qualified to step up to the plate more than likely.
I see all these sharpened screenshots and IMO it looks a million times better just because it's been run through a sharpening filter. That's pretty much what CDPR is absolutely 100% guilty of here, running screenshots through photoshop to touch em up.
Like, I don't have the slightest clue about this stuff, but is there an option to do that in game? Be kinda neat and surreal to see what running around with the kind filters photoshop is adding to those screenshots would look like. Granted my mere 970 isn't qualified to step up to the plate more than likely.
Looks horrible. Are you monitors broken or why do you like that much sharpening?I took Viveks image and adjusted the contrast/added sharpening (I'm not good at photoshop btw):
The sharpening looks terrible but w/e.
Yes there is a sharpening option in the game. And yes your 970 is more than qualified to run it.
They're just trying to match it to what the pre-release screenshots look like I think.
Well this thread demonstrates the opposite, according to many people.
I don't. I think it looks like shit.
Here are both of them so people can compare. I think some people perceive more detail in the sharpened image even though they are exactly the same.
Truth!
viveks86
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Should be possible with Sweetfx and the likes. Or simply cranking up sharpness on your display. Have some pain killers ready though, cuz you are bound to get a headache after long hours
Are there that many people with bad monitors/bad eyes in here?
1.21Gigawatts
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Haven't been following the thread recently. Did the the Day 1 Patch change anything about the PC versions graphics?
icecold1983
Member
The Witcher 3 has flat foliage?
Indeed.
They just look different for me.
is that a serious question to go along side your dumb cherry picked shot?
DarkLordMalik
Member
Thanks!I took Viveks image and adjusted the contrast/added sharpening (I'm not good at photoshop btw):
Here is an updated comparison.
P.S I know the last GIF has better AO. But I wanted to show the lack of tessellation on wall.
I had no idea. Good to know that it was a joke
You are the one with the hubristic attitude that came in here and posted a bunch of screens mocking the well sourced claims of countless posters who have made much more solid cases for their position then you have.I don't give a shit about CDPR. If you want me to respond to you, either stay technical or ignore it. It's not my job to submit images that you demand so that "we can talk". I've played 3 side quests and have not progressed much at all. If I recognize anything from the trailers as I play through in the coming days, I'll post it, just like I did for the shot being debated right now. Judge the shots if you like, but I don't appreciate you telling me what I should do.
Pretty much. The shot I posted has extremely harsh shadows. Probably my fault since I went overboard with some of the variables. Monkey meets spanner
If you want to actually get anywhere besides spamming the same sort of incompetent logic that countless other water-carriers have used, that rightfully got ignored because they deliberately ignored the context of what the actual contentions are, well, maybe attempting to actually address the arguments as they are would be a start. Hence my suggestion of finding matching scenes from the early trailers labeled and sold as in game footage.
SpiceMelange
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The less it look like a pastel mess the better
BlackNinja
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Just played W3 for a little over 2hours on a PC @ 4k. Game looks vividly stunning and artistically bad-ass! Image fidelity is through the roof! There is just so much going on in one given frame, that adding more details to the rendering would completely destroy the best of graphics cards. My friend had a GTX980 and it could barely hold 30fps @ 4k and that's with most options set to High ( a few on Ultra) and disabled Hairworks.
I can completely understand the downgrade from 2013. Hardware just isn't there yet.
I can completely understand the downgrade from 2013. Hardware just isn't there yet.
viveks86
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Firstly, that's to tessellation, it's screen space decals. People are often mixing the 2 up. Secondly, there is actually more of it in the nd shot because I tweaked the SSD error multipliers to see what happens. Which area are you claiming lacks tessellation?
hermeslyre
Neo Member
This point in particular I'd like to point out that it's likely the texture assets haven't changed at all, rather the games sharpening filter was modified. In fact the devs just recently admitted this, they dialed down the sharpening effect because they didn't like the way it looked in motion.
In Witcher 2 the sharpening filter was very aggressive, many didn't like it, but it undoubtedly made the textures pop more by making them look higher resolution. But they weren't, they were the same assets on or off. A good comparison here,
http://i4.minus.com/ibp7mCfRmY7cY7.png Sharpening filter off
http://i1.minus.com/iR6r2oepAEs7O.png Sharpening filter on
viveks86
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People can talk about other things related to downgrades than addressing arguments already made. There are 146 pages of grievances and bickering that it's about time we ease up a little. I'll find those scenes when I get there. I've already said that countless times. If only those scenes interest you, then please wait till I get there in the game. It isn't cool to call me out and tell me what I should be doing instead and that I'm fighting the good fight for CDPR. I've done nothing here to deserve that. I used some harmless hyperbole and to accuse me of "spamming the same sort of incompetent logic" for doing that is a bit much. But I guess it's become the norm here for everyone to be hostile or condescending to those who disagree, so I'll let it pass.
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