JumPeRJumPzZ
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There is no similar spec PC... Its either the console version/s or a high end pc.
Witcher 3 gameplay from YouTubers from CDPR event
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There is no similar spec PC... Its either the console version/s or a high end pc.
Doubt it. They are sending out PS4 copies for review, so I doubt they are trying to hide anything.
Reckless Onion
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Why are they keeping it hidden for so long? I mean in the tiny footage we saw in that gamespot video, it looked great!
Xbox One footage? No clue.
PS4 footage? Because they have a marketing deal with MS.
Kenzodielocke
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I am sure they have their reasons, WB might be one of them.
Maybe they are trying to hide the XB1 version but they can't show the PS4 version alone as they have an agreement with MS and they don't want to paint the XB1 version badly?
Just a theory don't kill me :X
Reckless Onion
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Ow ok, did not know that.
Are you really talking about W2 ? That game has minimal NPC repetition.. from modern RPGs maybe the least one.. characters important for the story have all unique faces
SnowDrops
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I'm guessing it's a totally practical case, PC-Footage is way easier to record, console-commands to set things up in the PC-Version, easy screengrabbing without having to use a capture-card (consoles recording quality, you know...) etc. It's just not as straight forward to get good console-footage out as it is to get PC footage
I have no idea. They've let press people play all three versions of the game, theyve even had events where they put all 3 side by side for people to compare, and now we see that they are sending out review copies on PS4 ahead of the others. The review embargo is up the week prior to release. If they were trying to hide something they shouldnt be doing any of those things.
The only reason I can think of is that their deal with MS has some weird restrictions pertaining to official media or their marketing department only wants to show off the best version of the game or a combination of the two.
GwyndolinCinder
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Nvidia are paying CDPR to not show it, so we all think the console version is awful and buy 900 series cards.
Nobody knows the real reason/
JumPeRJumPzZ
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Wat?
All the developers have the tools to record high qualiy console footage. The Xbox SDK for example has dedicated video tools for recording.
And getting a capture card is mostly likely not an issue here...
He sees slightly better in dark than normal humans, but does still need help from torches or potion called Cat that literally gives him cats capability to see in dark aka really well.
SnowDrops
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I'm not saying they can't, what I'm trying to say is that it's simply more work to be done, while they don't even have people dedicated to recording. The Gameplays are recorded by regular people with different jobs in the company (Damien said what their names were in the Q&A released yesterday)
Honestly, If I was to have to record gameplay I would do it the easiest way I can. Wouldn't you?
In the books, Geralt can see in the dark
While ingame there is a potion for that, called "Cat", simply a gameplay convenience
Edit: Tovarisc was faster
Really? According to the journal in Witcher 1 and 2
"young witchers gained cat-like eyes, which allowed them to see in the dark"
" the ability to see in the dark "
Maybe it says something else in the books.
edit : Nvm, thanks guys
, gameplay convenience sounds about right.To be honest, TW2 did have terrible repetition of NPC faces.
His Majesty
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Witcher 1 agree, Witcher 2 never noticed.
Turin Turambar
Member
Wait, is there any big RPG with no repetition of nameless NPCs??
Denton
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Translate it
Challenge accepted.
This is extremely rough translation, I am not good at english and I hope Mr. eníek who wrote it (and is head translator of TW 2/3) never sees it. All credit goes to him and eurogamer.cz who published it.
I included the tweets that eníek wrote during his work on TW3, they were part of the article. They are in quotes.
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The foundation for Witcher 3's localization was laid down in january 2014, when we started putting together an extensive terminology lexicon for the game and when we received a first batch of quests for translation.
These batches then arrived throughout the year and the amount of texts in the base game reached to around 2100 pages, which is twice as much than was the case with Witcher 2.
The localization of videogames entails certain specifics compared to other media and is one of the most difficult types of translation work available. Often times we are envious of book translators, who get fully finished original, can get to know it intimately, prepare their notes for language characterization of various characters and then proceed translating nicely chapter after chapter.
In videogames, we are fully at the mercy of developers and their will to prepare good materials with enough context. And sometimes we are out of luck.
Not only do we not have the game available to check how the texts will look, but often these texts are not logically sorted, arrive for translation out of order and often do not contain any additional information that could help us "hit" the proper meaning right away. Imagine it as a translation of a movie you haven't seen yet: you do not get any sound nor picture, only dialogues that are out of order and without context, so you do not even have any idea who says what how and to whom. This is how the first messy basics of every localization begin.
In the Witcher's case though, developers attempted to give us enough context to make our work easier. Plenty of companies could learn a lot from CD Projekt in this regard. (translator's note: and many other regards)
If you as a translator work on a game you are looking forward to, it is a double-edged sword. You may get to it as a first person in the country, but you have to come to terms with the fact that it will be completely, brutally and irreversibly spoiled, so you may not even want to play it anymore.
So the translators and correctors not only know the whole storyline of the Witcher 3 for more than a year, but they also know about every game mechanism, about all the monsters and characters, but also about all the branches of even the smallest quests. Even if the complete image of the game gets put together as a puzzle during the work, spoilers are daily bread for every translator.
Because the Witcher games are part of such enormous world with rich history and backstory, there are plenty of terms from the whole book saga and previous games that we need to adhere to and keep during translation. For this purpose, we created at the start of the localization a terminological table, which already contained around 1200 objects and during the translation we added several hundreds more. This then served as a "witcher dictionary" of the sort, with up to date terminology. Translators debated in it how to translate every new term.
For example, whenever we encountered some plant (which are plentiful in TW3), the process of translation was: Is this plant real, or fictious ? If real, we will use real existing czech name (nice czech names get preference ahead of latin ones). If it is fictious, we ask ourselves: Is this plant present in the books or previous games ? If it is, we use the already existing translation to stay consistent.
If we find out that this is completely fictious plant that is also new for the game, we can create our own name for it. In this case we look at most understandable part of the full meaning basis of the original (polish/english) name and combine it with appropriate czech suffix, which is how plants and herbs are traditionally named in czech language. Sometimes my graduation from Biology was useful during this process. We played nicely with names of villages around Novigrad's and Velen's countrysides. Only the Skellige Isles have their terminology left alone, since their inspiration are nordics/vikings and czech language is not appropriate for these.
The Witcher is very specific in one respect compared to other AAA games - unlike them, which are usually built on germanic language base, it is set in a slavic environment/world. And because czech falls into the same language family, it would be a shame to waste the opportunity. Czechifying given names is sometimes flaky (although Skyrim, for example, handled it pretty well some years back), but Witcher was very inviting in that respect.
I don't think there has ever been a game where czech names for villages, characters, monsters and herbs and other terms sounded as natural as they do in Witcher 3.
Same attention was given to stylistic and lexicologic aspects. We strived for the cleanest use of czech possible, since modern expressions and "czenglish" words do not fit the pseudomiddle ages of the game. Experts such as mages and sorceresses of course speak scholarly as in books, but you will not hear complicated / expert expressions from simple villagers - and if you do, they will be in a funnily garbled form.
Similar stylistic playground was presented by various books, diaries, boards, letters and journals that you can find while adventuring. Some are written in elder language, others are written by a villager or a bandit not used to written word, and the translation has to reflects it all. We cannot expect uneducated peasant to have similarly refined writing style (and grammar knowledge) as a nobleman from Novigrad.
Sometimes we digged deep into the bowels of czech language and brought back expressions that are not used anymore, but fit the world of the Witcher perfectly. We did this to such an extent that sometimes it feels like we played with the texts even more than the original. Huge thanks goes to a corrector, who was very careful about correct song verses and appropriate text rhytms for all the songs, poems, sonnets, etc.
It's own chapter is a well-liked dwarven dialect, which was handled by the same expert who did the first two games.
Eventhough it may not seem that way, translating all the texts in the game is just the beginning of localization works. To be continued in the next article.
Tell the name of that NPC.. if you mean people with who you don't interact in anyway or don't have any business with them, then yes.. but if they have some quest for you or are involved in any kind in that quest, then they have unique faces.. in W1 there were many NPCs with quests with the same faces, in TW2 no.. or go here and show me which character has some generic face like some nameless other NPCs - http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Category:The_Witcher_2_characters
And don't forget, that the screens from Eurogamer.cz have this in their URL: .. witcher3Release_2014_10_02_18_42_02_10... so they maybe are from older build.. really old build now
Anyway, I have seen some live twich of some russian guy, and he had many new real great scenes there.. and when I saw Geralt swimming underwater and around him there were drowners swimming too, well, that looked really great
Can't see why not
Console gamers don't like options.
Yes, the same options
Tell the name of that NPC.. if you mean people with who you don't interact in anyway or don't have any business with them, then yes.. but if they have some quest for you or are involved in any kind in that quest, then they have unique faces.. in W1 there were many NPCs with quests with the same faces, in TW2 no.. or go here and show me which character has some generic face like some nameless other NPCs - http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Category:The_Witcher_2_characters
And don't forget, that the screens from Eurogamer.cz have this in their URL: .. witcher3Release_2014_10_02_18_42_02_10... so they maybe are from older build.. really old build now
Anyway, I have seen some live twich of some russian guy, and he had many new real great scenes there.. and when I saw Geralt swimming underwater and around him there were drowners swimming too, well, that looked really great
Are you joking about the NPC list you linked? There's literally multiple copypasted faces, or same faces with a few tweaks here and there, without even counting all the generic NPCs that have same faces as the quest related "important" NPCs.
For example:
http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Magnus
http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Dragan
http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Manfred
http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/King_Ziggy
http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Lasota
All 5 have the same face.
http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Visionary
http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Sendler
Are also exactly the same, while
http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Falas
has a different scar.
Also,
http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Earso
may have the same face model, but I can't tell for sure.
All the NPC dwarves have completely similar face shape with only tweaked appearance. All elven women look similar with no indentificable traits what so ever.
Also,
http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Aryan_La_Valette
http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Cedric_(NPC)
have roughly the same face, but with latter given Elven characteristics with the eyes and the ears.
E: Also, the soldiers from the prologue are copypasted into the brutes you handwrestle to gain access to the siege weapon @ Loredos keep.
I believe I remember reading that the console versions will have all the same HUD options as the PC version.
Those people are idiots. PC gamers playing on console think options are glorious.
Summer Haze
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I'm a console gamer and I like options.
Impossible to be sure of course, but I can't see why not. Things like that usually don't differ from PC to consoles.
I was being facetious. However, there was a thread where the no options side had a serious amount of traction...
Ok, yeah, I know some of thems.. but they really don't have a important role in the story or their quests are about minigames.. still better than in any other modern RPG, where you can talk to people who have the same faces, the same clothes, etc..
And when it comes to Aryan and Cedric, they have some features the same, but the really aren't clones in any way possible..
viveks86
Member
Where is this thread? It needs more traction!
Doesn't change the fact that especially in Flotsam, you run into copypasted faces A LOT which is really immersionbreaking. I do have my hopes up for Wild Hunt which seems to have a great deal of variety, as in my books TW2 was kind of a letdown in that aspect.
viveks86
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They've been working on performance optimization. They do not want to show an unpolished version of the game. At least that's their official stance. I don't blame them.
NPC simply means non-player character. Your argument seems focused on the fact that the MAIN characters have different faces, which is true. But there are still plenty of quest-givers, romanceable, and otherwise important characters whose face are very similar in Witcher 2. I finished my playthrough just last week, so that was one of the aspects that stuck in my mind as still "last-gen."
But about which NPCs are you talking about? Town folk or you mean NPCs with quests and dialogs? .. ok.. there are about 140 unique faces in TW2.. that's a price new number if you ask me - I can even name them if you want
All of them. Unless they're a main story character that was actually designed by hand, any character created by the engine itself looks remarkably similar to a hundred other characters.
Are you honestly saying that TW3 has the same repetitive characters that TW1/2 had? Because I haven't seen the same character twice yet, and we've seen quite a few in the dozens and dozens of videos that have been released.
But about which NPCs are you talking about? Town folk or you mean NPCs with quests and dialogs? .. ok.. there are about 140 unique faces in TW2.. that's a price new number if you ask me - I can even name them if you want
I don't understand your point. I'm talking about any NPCs on your screen, close enough for you to see. As long as you don't provide a source I must say "140 unique faces" is an OUTRAGOUS lie as I've seen ~20-30 unique faces + the main quest characters, at best.
A beard, ear shape or make-up variation cannot be count into "unique faces".
Well, they are Polish developers...
Im telling you that there are 140 unique main or side characters in W2.. who gives a shit about some characters that don't have any major role in the story or quests.. but atleast in W2 even those nameless ones have something different from others.. clothes are different, hair cutes are different, etc..
And where did I said that W3 is going to have repetive characters? If anything, I'm astonished so far from the character design in W3
It seems like you're trying to say that TW2 didn't have repetitive faces, which is bullshit. You can spend twenty minutes walking around Flotsam and see the same face a dozen times. It's totally a real thing, and it's immersion breaking when you see someone talking to their own doppleganger.
And yeah, it actually does matter even if they're not "real" characters that you talk to. TW3 is a massive step up from that. Instead of just slapping the same head onto a different body, they've got a system that can generate thousands, maybe millions, of unique combinations. NPCs that actually look like real people and not the creation of a game engine.
I care, because it's annoying to see the EXACT SAME FACE multiple times on different characters, no matter if it's a merchant, wrestling opponent, a random sidequest giver or a man calling you a freak. It's seriously immersion breaking, and a letdown in technical aspect of not providing even the variety for me to not see the same face 3-4 times within an hour of playtime.
Game looks incredible - even at 1080P!
What I'm a bit concerned about is the combat; it seems quite repetitive and could seem to get boring really fast!
I hope to all that is divine that the combat system has skill-trees and extensive improvable weapons, armor etc.
Dragon Age Inquisition was a HUGE letdown in this regard for me.
What do you guys think of the Witcher 3 combat/combat system so far?
What I'm a bit concerned about is the combat; it seems quite repetitive and could seem to get boring really fast!
I hope to all that is divine that the combat system has skill-trees and extensive improvable weapons, armor etc.
Dragon Age Inquisition was a HUGE letdown in this regard for me.
What do you guys think of the Witcher 3 combat/combat system so far?
Crossing Eden
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Not to mention we have a host of people ready to yell downgrade since it won't look as good as the PC version.