With Trump's Indiana Win Can he Be stopped?

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Wheatly

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Seriously America

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JordanN

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I can't believe that people are falling for Trump's shenanigans to begin with.

Look at the rise of Hitler. Trump is exploiting people's feelings so he can get into the whitehouse.

"You see those Mexicans? They're rapists and criminals! Only I, a President Trump, will get rid of them."

"Oh noes, did you see that terror attack in Europe? Well once again, I, President Trump, will protect you."
 

Goro Majima

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I don't think she's that stupid. I think she's loves her football gig.

Yeah I think she probably wouldn't want any part of that dumpster fire. Unfortunately at 61, this is probably her last chance if she wanted the VP job and then also a chance at the presidency someday.

Trump is in a weird position where he probably needs to make a splash for a VP candidate but he's angered most of the establishment already.
 

The Flop

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Cruz out. Trump gets Nom.

Hilldawg still in shambles to get a popular vote in a state she should have sailed in.

Bern baby BERN!
 

sk3

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The only hope America has is Clinton getting indicted, dropping out, and Sanders destroying Trump in the general.

Otherwise, Trump is your 45th president.
 

Sianos

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Trump is going to get 1237 and the Republicans are going to do what they can to save their downticket races. It's their only option at this point.

And the Trump and the alt-right will blame those downticket senators and representatives running away from him as the reason why they lost, and thus rise up out of their murk to ravage the dilapidated remains of the party.

His unfavorability among Hispanics and minorities in general will be his downfall - but the DEAD HEAT narrative will keep liberals from being foolishly complacent, and so I will thank Wolf Blitzer for his work.

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The only hope America has is Clinton getting indicted, dropping out, and Sanders destroying Trump in the general.

Otherwise, Trump is your 45th president.

Nah, all it takes is Trump calling him a commie once to sink Sanders. Unless the second coming of Jesus comes and takes the Democratic nom, I honestly think we're locked in to Trump being elected and humanity being wiped out in thermonuclear armageddon before the end of his first term.
 

Valhelm

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Probably not. Hopefully Hillary can beat his coalition, but we'll see. What are the chances Kasich sees this through?

The only hope America has is Clinton getting indicted, dropping out, and Sanders destroying Trump in the general.

Otherwise, Trump is your 45th president.

Maybe, but there's a real risk of his socialist label killing him in the general. Bernie Sanders' policy solutions are pretty moderate, but could still scare some Americans. But the guy is or once was a legitimate socialist, and while I'd love to see somebody like that in the White House, most Americans would not.
 

Sianos

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Posted yet? Holy crap, what a tire fire

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...s_indiana_gop_loyalists_prepare_for_doom.html


Former John McCain aide Mark Salter declared his allegiance to Hillary Clinton earlier today.

the GOP is going to nominate for President a guy who reads the National Enquirer and thinks it's on the level. I'm with her.

— Mark Salter (@MarkSalter55) May 3, 2016
RedState blogger Ben Howe, who's promised to phone bank for Clinton if Trump gets the nomination, followed suit.

#ImWithHer

— Ben Howe (@BenHowe) May 3, 2016

Once it became clear that Trump would take Indiana by a landslide, Meghan McCain and Lindsey Graham predicted the party's altogether demise.

I guess when I said in 2012 that my party was going to evolve or it was going to die - it was easier to choose death.

— Meghan McCain (@MeghanMcCain) May 3, 2016
If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed.......and we will deserve it.

— Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) May 3, 2016
Now more than ever, members of the #NeverTrump movement have to consider just how far they're willing to go to see their mission through.

#NeverTrump statement: pic.twitter.com/QlcepQmTLL

— Dana Liebelson (@dliebelson) May 3, 2016
If this is night #NeverTrump folks go from supporting Cruz to pushing an indy candidate, remember the Texas ballot deadline is... next week.

— Taniel (@Taniel) May 4, 2016
The Trump Apocalypse may not come to pass, but the Republican party is already preparing for doom.

Never means never. #NeverTrump

— #NeverTrump (@NeverTrumpPAC) May 3, 2016

All according to the kakuritsu!
 

Loxley

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Without women and minorities on his side (and he's done his hardest to offend and push away both groups), I don't see how Trump could have a chance in hell of beating Hillary in the general.
 

BiggNife

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He is going to pivot so hard though. Once he wraps up the nomination he is going to go hard after minorities and women. The transgender sympathy was him letting the cat out of the bag early, and it did zero damage to him among Republican voters.
People keep saying "Trump's going to pivot any minute now!" and then he doesn't.

And even if he does, the damage is done. I really, really don't think women and minorities can just forgive him for the shit he's said.
 
Trump's voters are embracing the "Brewster's Millions" philosophy:

Push the least qualified guy to the front of the line and then just watch him burn it all.
 

BiggNife

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You should ask Nate Silver how his polls are doing.

538's polling has generally been very good outside of a couple exceptions like Michigan.

Nate's shitty editorializing doesn't change the fact he's still a good statistician.

EDIT:

The only hope America has is Clinton getting indicted, dropping out, and Sanders destroying Trump in the general.

Otherwise, Trump is your 45th president.


You do realize Trump is actually far more disliked by the public than Hillary is, right?
 

sk3

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538's polling has generally been very good outside of a couple exceptions like Michigan.

Nate's shitty editorializing doesn't change the fact he's still a good statistician.
Fair enough. 538's estimates are usually good, Silver just stuck with his poor theorizing waaay too long.

Regardless, this is very unique cycle and I think historical indicators are very unreliable.
 

Valhelm

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Great, primaries are different from general elections. Trump is doing horribly with minorities and he is not winning the election without them. But keep being obtuse.

My bet is that Trump will win a huge percentage of the white vote (over 60%), and could come quite close in the popular race, but will be destroyed through the electoral college. He's going to inflame a lot of middle class and working class whites in northern states with high minority populations, but will probably not be able to turn many blue states red.

Trump could win Florida, but the increasing liberalization of our Hispanic population (mostly due to Puerto Rican transplants outnumbering Cubans), this seems less likely.
 

Valhelm

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No. I'm a Hillary supporter if anything, but a Trump victory would make me less sad than either Sanders or Cruz.

How do you rationalize this? Trump is legitimizing white nationalism and wants to position all Muslims and Mexican immigrants as enemies of the state.
 

Drek

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People really undersell the power of false equivalency and the willingness of the right to toe the party line above all else.

Clinton is far from a sure thing. Trump has a legitimate shot.
 
People really undersell the power of false equivalency and the willingness of the right to toe the party line above all else.

Clinton is far from a sure thing. Trump has a legitimate shot.

Clinton is a sure thing. It won't even be close. Donald Trump is un-electable.
 

BiggNife

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We need to reflect on how we got here. I wonder what NeoGaf was saying about Trump's chances in September/October?

I don't think anyone is going to argue that a lot of people are surprised Trump's made it this far.

Doesn't change the fact that the primaries and the general are two drastically different things and Trump had a bunch of things in his favor in the primaries that don't apply now, particularly the GOP's refusal to acknowledge Trump as a credible threat and rally behind a single establishment candidate until it was far too late.

We all know Trump is a threat now.
 

ryseing

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And the Donald "My net worth is many, many, many times Mitt Romney" Drumpf and the alt-right will blame those downticket senators and representatives running away from him as the reason why they lost, and thus rise up out of their murk to ravage the dilapidated remains of the party.

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Which the establishment is perfectly fine with as long as they retool their message for 2020 to better appeal to minorities and replace those votes and then some. Get the poison out and let the Tea Partiers and the rest of the alt right go preach their deranged message somewhere else.
 

Loxley

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We need to reflect on how we got here. I wonder what NeoGaf was saying about Drumpf's chances in September/October?

September/October was around the time everyone still thought he was an outrageous novelty who would fizzle out once the real candidates starting getting their shots in. I don't think anybody could have accurately predicted just much of a couple of wet noodles both Jeb and Rubio would end up being in the debates.
 

Sianos

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We need to reflect on how we got here. I wonder what NeoGaf was saying about Trump's chances in September/October?

I picked him as the Republican nominee back in October, though I did recently falter and give the GOP a possible chance of stealing the nomination after his loss is Wisconsin. More because I incorrectly felt like I was being too hard on them and wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt towards their competence with their party on the line than anything else.

Which the establishment is perfectly fine with as long as they retool their message for 2020 to better appeal to minorities and replace those votes and then some. Get the poison out and let the Tea Partiers and the rest of the alt right go preach their deranged message somewhere else.

The problem is, as demonstrated by this primary, the majority of the Republican party base IS the alt-right, or at least they align themselves with it. And the Republican brand is too tarnished at this point for them to successfully modernize themselves without both losing that majority of their supporters and failing to attract a similar amount of centrists.

I don't think they'll even try in any meaningful coordinated fashion, just like they didn't try in 2012 and didn't try in 2016.
 

steveovig

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I don't think he can be stopped. Republican voters will eventually come around to him, since he is their only shot. Bernie has done a nice job in dividing the Democrats, and Hillary isn't nearly as likeable as Obama was in 08. This seems like something that should be so cut and dry, to be able to beat him in the general but I'm just not too optimistic it'll happen.
 

BiggNife

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He's your new president, America. Deal with it.

Don't understand why people make comments like this like it's a sure thing.

Everyone seems to ignore the fact that Trump is actually far more disliked than Hillary on average. Not sure why this is always overlooked.
 

eu pfhor ia

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I don't know, but I wish I could let the repub. politicians out there blathering about "rebuilding our dwindling military" just how much I want them to fuck off and stop lying.

I just listened to an interview with the JCS where Chief of Navy Ops John Richardson said something along the lines of "Yeah, I wish they'd stop saying that. The Navy's fleets are increasing in number, not shrinking"
 
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