With Trump's Indiana Win Can he Be stopped?

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Sanjuro

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Don't understand why people make comments like this like it's a sure thing.

Everyone seems to ignore the fact that Trump is actually far more disliked than Hillary on average. Not sure why this is always overlooked.

Because we hate Hilary.
 

Sianos

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But Neogaf's political experts says Trump can't win the nomination. It has to be true cause Poligaf says so.

But it was PoliGAF who predicted that Trump would take the Republican party by storm! Granted, some of us may have tried to be fair and assumed the party would do a little more to fight back as the opportunity presented itself, but the receipts are there.
 

hawk2025

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But Neogaf's political experts says Trump can't win the nomination. It has to be true cause Poligaf says so.

There was a plurality of posters that said he would win the nomination, actually. They even made a table.

This type of hivemind shitting is becoming tiresome.
 
The GOP kept denying how real Trump's movement is. And now they have to work with it.


I hope Democrats don't make the same mistake. Trump's support is very very real. Very white, but very very real.

And protest votes are just going to help it.
 

3rdman

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TheFatOne

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He is going to pivot so hard though. Once he wraps up the nomination he is going to go hard after minorities and women. The transgender sympathy was him letting the cat out of the bag early, and it did zero damage to him among Republican voters.
No amount of pivoting is going to help Trump. Minorities aren't suddenly going to be like you know what this guy isn't so bad after all. He's done way too much damage to walk back from any of his racist bullshit. He's done in the general. With the demographics the way they are if you can't get the minority vote you aren't becoming the president. Trump right now is going to have to try and get 7 out of 10 male white voters in order to win, and that is not going to happen. There are only so many racists votes Trump can get in the general. No amount of pivoting can undo the damage he's done.

Romney won white women by 17 points.

Its unlikely, but if Trump pushed the white vote an extra 5% in his favor compared to 2012, that would be enough to potentially flip Ohio+Pennsylvania+Florida which would get him to 270.

He is still going to get at least 40% of the vote come November, which is sad because a reality TV star shouldn't even come close to getting that much support in a sane world. But that's just how polarized we have become. The days of 60%/400 EV blowouts like Johnson/Goldwater, Reagan/Mondale, etc. are long gone.

I've got some bad news on the Florida front. Will Donald Trump drive Miami Cuban Americans from GOP? New poll says yes

But Neogaf's political experts says Trump can't win the nomination. It has to be true cause Poligaf says so.

And pretty soon people are about to find out that the general election is a much different beast than primaries.
 
I guess when I said in 2012 that my party was going to evolve or it was going to die - it was easier to choose death.

— Meghan McCain (@MeghanMcCain) May 3, 2016

Oof, that's a hell of a quote. The republican race right now runs like a hyperactive version of what lost them the last two elections.
I really wonder what happens to the GOP if (or when?) they lose the election once more.
 

Dennis

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ahaha at the people who thinks Cruz would do better than Trump in the election against Hillary.

Cruz is absolutely vile and Hillary would destroy him.
 

Strike

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As long as people don't stay home, I honestly don't see how he can win in the general. Then again, he's defied everyone's expectations so far, so anything can happen. Either way this will be one for the ages.
 

ivysaur12

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But Neogaf's political experts says Trump can't win the nomination. It has to be true cause Poligaf says so.

Most PoliGAFers have been saying for months that he is likely to win the nomination, despite a brief spell after Ohio and Wisconsin where there were some questions if he could get to 1,237 delegates.
 

Moff

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people told me over and over again it would be impossible that he wins the GOP nomination

now I don't think it's impossible anymore that he will be the next president
 

Roc

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And I remember a month ago when people were saying it would almost certainly be a contested convention. How the tides change.
 

ivysaur12

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people told me over and over again it would be impossible that he wins the GOP nomination

now I don't think it's impossible anymore that he will be the next president

Nothing's impossible, and he will be one of two legitimate candidates on the ballot, but it's silly to equate "he over performed in the primary, so he's definitely going to overperform in the general!"

He's been the polling leader for 10 months in the Republican primary, but hasn't been the polling leader in the GE since it started, and has been far behind Hillary in every aggregate (a gap that's only recently begun to get wider). Maybe she trips and dies this summer. But him overtaking their positions in the polls today would be unprecedented.
 

Future

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End game for Republican Party. For real I almost feel like I witnessing what will be a major chapter in history books. How can trump be the best the republicans have to offer? How is it possible?
 

JordanN

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people told me over and over again it would be impossible that he wins the GOP nomination

now I don't think it's impossible anymore that he will be the next president

Trump only has the white male base to support him.

Minorities wont vote for him.
 

Moff

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Trump only has the white male base to support him.

Minorities wont vote for him.

Is that really how the 2party system works in practice?
Genuinely curious, I am not from the US
won't many republicans simply support their candidate because he is THEIR candidate and maybe the lesser of 2 evils?
 

ivysaur12

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Is that really how the 2party system works in practice?
Genuinely curious, I am not from the US
won't many republicans simply support their candidate because he is THEIR candidate and maybe the lesser of 2 evils?

She overperforms the typical Democrat against Trump in all demographics except white men. She's winning some Republicans (though not a lot, but she doesn't need a lot), most importantly, she winning more Independents versus Trump than most Democrats need in 2016.
 

Cranster

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Agreed,

There are A LOT of people who won't vote for Hillary. Trump is starting to push to appeal to the Sanders supporters. There is something about a 2nd Clinton presidency that leaves a sour taste in people mouths. Plus the fact that she'll send you all her emails, but her speech transcripts are not up for grabs seems very telling.

Either way, who would have thought 2 years ago this is the election cycle we would have gotten in the US.
There is a word for those kinds of people...
Idiots!
 

AniHawk

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i don't see the math for trump. what are the swing states really? because i wouldn't count on nevada, colorado, or new mexico.

same goes for michigan, pennsylvania, new hampshire, and wisconsin. that shit is fool's gold for republicans. i don't know why they waste their time there. and really, that's the presidency right there. ohio, florida, north carolina, and virginia don't even matter in this context.

it's going to be really nerve-wracking until november though, especially when the race inevitably tightens (i'd be super glad if it never does though). hopefully hillary can appear cool and presidential and bill can be charisma man out on the campaign trail instead of crazy grandpa bill.
 

Cranster

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i don't see the math for trump. what are the swing states really? because i wouldn't count on nevada, colorado, or new mexico.

same goes for michigan, pennsylvania, new hampshire, and wisconsin. that shit is fool's gold for republicans. i don't know why they waste their time there. and really, that's the presidency right there. ohio, florida, north carolina, and virginia don't even matter in this context.
From my understanding with the way the electoral college works all Hillary has to do is win Florida and she has the election in the bag.
 
Vice President Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Constitution hastily amended to allow Austrian Bodybuilders to become VP/POTUS.

Trump wins in a landslide, as American's all want to make America Great Again and Hillary breaks down at a debate and screams at the camera that she is tired of eating corn dogs, drinking beer, and its her turn to be President.

At the state of the union in 2018 Trump declares himself God Emperor of the new Empire of Man, killing the leader of ISIS with his bare hands at the end of his speech - Arnold, Stallone, and a few expendable mercs went out and captured him in a covert op.

We begin the conquest of the stars with Trump Spaceships, and the immortal God Emperor feeds on the blood of untold millions of aliens to fuel the twin machines of war and commerce.

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Sianos

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They did try to fight back. They're just so much further down the road of delusion than any of us expected. I mean, look at how they handled opposing him when the field was full. Look at how they ended up with fucking Ted Cruz of all people as their best hope. And look how he handled the last couple weeks, dealing with an anti-establishment sentiment by forming an alliance with John Kasich and announcing a VP choice at a supremely stupid point in the race.

So few people truly thought Trump would get this far early on. It's disingenuous for almost anybody to ask others to eat crow on this topic. Trump broke a lot of the usual patterns for how this stuff goes down; you have to reach pretty far back in history to find other signs of this kind of thing happening in the U.S.

That's why it was stupid for someone to bump that Nate Silver thread earlier, too. He already flipped on this whole issue long before half the press followed suit, when it finally set in that this was going to be a very unique election cycle.

...but all that said, much of GAF has had a "THE SKY IS FALLING!" reaction to Trump. A lot of people here have been terrified and predicting his win from day one. They didn't do that because of any evidence, but they were right anyway. It's an odd thing to sort of blame GAF itself for having some kind of polarized reaction to this.

I was referring specifically to Cruz's bizarre implosion and the GOP's failure to capitalize on his Wisconsin loss and the period of time where he was notably shaken for the first time. But you're right, that they really were trying to fight back in their own way - but since that way was not very much in accordance with reality, it was supremely ineffective.

Perhaps it's just cynicism or perhaps it's from forcing myself to read the writings of the alt-right (because it's important to know how to argue against those you oppose) or perhaps it's from years of noticing how certain subversive arguments worked very for garnering the approval of conservatives towards very liberal ideas signifying that they prioritized signalling and unfettered nationalism over actual Republican policy (granted, I have been disappointingly been seeing the opposite happen as well recently), but somehow I knew that Trump was the candidate the current Republican base wants and party deserves. The only time I doubted it was when I was intentionally chastising myself for being, in my eyes, too unfair and not charitable enough towards the competency of the Republican party - that I was being unrealistic. I keep being immediately proven wrong when I do that, so I think I'll stop.

Good point, though, on how this really is an unprecedented election cycle. I wonder what the future will hold - especially as issues such as ever-increasing automation and the growing fields of biotechnology are thrust into the forefront.
 
You've got a tough choice over the pond if its between Hilary & Trump

Rock & Hard place springs to mind!

Emigration is viable
 

Game Guru

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Trump will be stopped... by Hillary. However, that will not be the end. Trump's going to end up a Goldwater candidate, redefining the Republican party in the image of the Alt-Right, rather than in the image of the Neoconservatives.
 
Listen, and understand! Donald Trump is out there! He can't be bargained with. He can't be reasoned with. He doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And he absolutely will not stop, ever, until America is made Great Again.

Or he burns it to the ground.

Nice use of The Terminator quote.
 

mclem

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What are the odds of the Republicans having some superdelegate-esque system by the time the next primary season rolls around?
 

mclem

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I get all this. I'm scared to death that liberals will buy into him not having a chance and stay home on election day.

I think one of the nice things about Trump being the nominee - as opposed to Cruz, to some extent - is that I think it's safe to say that people will want to make a point of voting against him. I don't think the masses know Cruz well enough to have the same motivation.
 

hidys

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What are the odds of the Republicans having some superdelegate-esque system by the time the next primary season rolls around?

I'm more so expecting pretty much all states to become proportional rather than the winner take all bullshit which is frankly very silly, as Trump has clearly proven.
 
people saying bernie for clinton vp was one thing, but now we're saying bernie in the trump administration? what

'We' arent saying anything, this is my own statement.
I am stating that Mr Trump is going to reach out to Sanders supporters and as crazy as it sounds, i wouldnt be too surprised if he offered him a role in his administration.
 

Maledict

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You've got a tough choice over the pond if its between Hilary & Trump

Rock & Hard place springs to mind!

Emigration is viable

This Is utter nonsense. To even think the two are comparable in any way is frankly insulting and ignorant.

Telling LGBT people, or minorities, that the two are even in the same league is nuts.
 
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