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Woj: NBA draft lottery reform could be voted in before start of this upcoming season
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BigJonsson
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Heh, this could mess up some trades that have already happened
I've always been interested in a combination of Mike Zarren's wheel proposal with some lottery/randomness added in to avoid prospects timing thier eligibility for desired destinations. It would make it a little harder for bad teams to climb the ladder, but I also sort of philosophically disagree with constantly rewarding failure and poor management as well.
Edit: Image of the revised proposal, since it's easier to get when visualized. Teams would rotate through the draft positions over the course of 5 or 10 years. The original proposal was for 30, a much longer term commitment with no randomness baked in.
Edit: Image of the revised proposal, since it's easier to get when visualized. Teams would rotate through the draft positions over the course of 5 or 10 years. The original proposal was for 30, a much longer term commitment with no randomness baked in.
LowlySmokeGuy
Banned
NBA has a bad parity problem. Only 3 teams have a remote shot at winning every year and this would make it even worse.
Stop trying to be special with the draft system and just do it like MLB and NFL.
Stop trying to be special with the draft system and just do it like MLB and NFL.
The parity problem has more to do with the nature of the sport than the draft. In basketball, superstars can singlehandedly bring their teams to the finals. They can't do that in the MLB or NFL.
Random Painted HIghway
Member
the no consecutive top three draft picks has consequences but I really don't see the point in flattening the chances of the bottom three teams, at all. Moving the worst team from 20 wins to 23 wins because they don't have to tank quite so hard isn't going to make for a better product at all.
They are completely different leagues in terms of number of players drafted each year, individual impact on a team/franchise, salary negotiation, and plenty of other smaller aspects. Being thoughtful about these things isn't a bad thing.
jordan0386
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Randolph Freelander
Member
Two words: battle rap.
You can't do this in the NBA because of how important superstars and potential superstars are. If and when the next LeBron or even Anthony Davis tier prospect comes along the preceding season would be a complete clusterfuck. Every team except for the two or three that have a real shot at a title would be trying to lose every game. This is a measure designed to discourage tanking, not further incentivize it.
How would getting rid of the lottery help the tanking problem?
This is exactly what happens now.
Teams that are on the fringe of being playoff teams might actually compete for a playoff spot with the hopes of making a run since they'd be out of the running for a top pick.
Every team except the Warriors and Cavs is trying to lose every game? That's exactly what happens now?
I've never seen a fringe playoff team tank their way to the lottery to get a 1% chance at the top pick rather than trying for the playoffs.
It does not
So you're seriously arguing that if the NBA adopted a hard draft spot position based on record like the other majors ports, suddenly teams that would be the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th seed in the playoffs would suddenly start tanking games because they want the #1 overall spot?
Ninja Scooter
Member
Get rid of the draft. Create a real minor league. Let players sign with whoever they want out of high school.
There would be zero incentive to tank.
The GM meta would become about creating assets by taking on bad contracts and moving expiring half decent players at the deadline like in baseball.
This isn't something that happens, not for teams on the fringe. The 10-14 spots in the lottery have a spread of 1.1% and 0.5% to win the lottery. They would not be affected by a flat draft.
Also, the players comptete. Tanking is on management purposefully fielding teams that don't measure up, or resting impact players down the stretch. Neither of which would be solved by removing the lottery system, it would actually exacerbate the problem.
I just don't see the upside with a minor league system, though I agree the D-League may not be the best example.
how would there be zero incentive to tank when the team with the worst record is guaranteed the top pick????
Randolph Freelander
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You said that's what they're already doing. That's what he's disagreeing with.
You literally said all but the top handful of teams already try to lose every game.
In the NBA it's better to be bad than a fringe playoff team for the most part.
Yes, that would be great for small market teams.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
This makes the lottery slightly better I guess. I don't like the lottery at all. Just make the order go record-wise and let teams tank if they want.
LowlySmokeGuy
Banned
It's not. The MLB is a random enough sport that it's actually not common for the big spenders to win the World Series.
It wasn't long ago that the NHL had something like 8 different champion in 8 years.
NFL has a slight problem with the Patriots winning a bunch, but it will get more interesting to watch when Brady retires.
I thought he meant get rid of the lottery and have the wheel thing.
Read what he said again, he said (responding to another poster) that if they went to a hard draft order it would encourage more tanking for every team except the top three and that the lottery was to discourage tanking. This was before I responded to him at all.
Violence Jack
Member
Philly trusted the process so much that they broke it.
that'd be a quick way to lose a shit ton of fan support and money while making players unhappy
imagine watching your team tank the year but 4 other teams tanked a bit better and you're stuck with the 5th pick in a 2013 level draft class. the battle to the bottom would increase the gap between good and bad teams and make the league insufferable.
"Every team except for the two or three that have a real shot at a title would be trying to lose every game."
"This is exactly what happens now."
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I like the idea of not letting a team repeat in the top 3 spots. It won't change much. Golden State hasn't had a pick in the top 3 since Mike Dunleavy in 2002. The Spurs haven't had a pick in the top 10 since Tim Duncan.
I never understand the "Parody is a problem" thing. Especially in basketball where the Lakers vs Celtics is celebrated so much.
I never understand the "Parody is a problem" thing. Especially in basketball where the Lakers vs Celtics is celebrated so much.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Yeah, I just...
Imagine if either Marvin Bagley or Michael Porter looks like a sure-fire generational superstar. What incentive would the Utah Jazz or Milwaukee Bucks of the world have to compete?
A sport where there was a time period where ever final from 1980 to 1989 had the Celtics or Lakers
Michael Jordan or Hakeem won 8 titles from 1991-1998
Tim Duncan or Kobe/Shaq were involved in every title series from 1999-2005
And one of LeBron, Kobe, Tim, or Wade were involved with each series from 06-now
And y'all worry about parity because of the fucking lottery when this sport ain't had parity since the damn 70s
Michael Jordan or Hakeem won 8 titles from 1991-1998
Tim Duncan or Kobe/Shaq were involved in every title series from 1999-2005
And one of LeBron, Kobe, Tim, or Wade were involved with each series from 06-now
And y'all worry about parity because of the fucking lottery when this sport ain't had parity since the damn 70s
Where will the nba get the revenue lost, from those games. or how will the nba compensate espn and tnt on their new mutili billion contract.
if espn and tnt had their way, they would change the playoffs, and make ncaa style tournament, and have every team in the league in the playoffs, imagine a under 500 team knocking out the warriors...
The question is whether parity is actually something one should strive towards. After all, you want good players, coaches and managers to be rewarded, not a randomization.
The Bucks and Jazz are not wasting an extremely important year of Giannis and Gobert's careers/developement to tank bruh
.......what
Beyond pride, two teams that will either be on the cusp of the playoffs or make it, that each have a top 5 talent at their respective position, gonna waste it for someone they ain't know if he's gonna actually be something in the league?
Almost no sports have parity, and this ain't college football where regulation of teams and promotion should be a thing, but a sport with 30 teams that are built up through free agency or the draft and succeed for years based on that
They're both still kids under years of team control. You know how you keep a Giannis or a Gobert around once their free agency hits? Find another superstar to pair with them.
ShaggsMagoo
Member
I'm in on getting rid of the draft all together. Those players are adults and have the right to choose who their employer should be if that employer wants them.
Not to mention that the 70s was arguably when the NBA had the lowest viewership. Parity isn't always automatically a good thing. Besides, I like the Cavs-Warriors rivalry. Neither franchises have been historically great, so this is their time to shine.
You know how you make a Giannis or Gobert upset and leave? Bench them and tell them that the team is tanking.
Trust the process