Guerrillas in the Mist
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My current GOTY and the best single-player FPS since Half-Life 2. Fantastic work, OP.
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Wolfenstein TNO: 2014 GotY + one of the best shooters ever *GIF WARNING*
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I'm not calling you out specifically, but I have to wonder if people would even mention this if they used an Indiana Jones "red line on a map" or something.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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Runs great on my 560 TI, with some settings dialed down.
ramoisdead
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As soon as I build my gaming PC, this will be the first purchase I make for it. Kind of kicking myself in the arse for not getting a chance to play Wolfenstein 2008.
Eh. Many people will say it's underrated, but I wouldn't dwell too much about skipping that one
NullPointer
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Armored heavies aren't fun to fight, especially on higher difficulties, and especially when the game seems keen to dropping you in crazy small areas to fight them in, but everything else is top notch.
Also agree with OP's shout out to Syndicate's gunplay. And since co-op in that game was pretty much nothing but continuous shooting it'll go down as one of my all time favorites.
Come to think of it, Syndicate had the same kinds of heavies, but that game offered you extra abilities to use to take them down.
Also agree with OP's shout out to Syndicate's gunplay. And since co-op in that game was pretty much nothing but continuous shooting it'll go down as one of my all time favorites.
Come to think of it, Syndicate had the same kinds of heavies, but that game offered you extra abilities to use to take them down.
Nocturno999
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I bought it on Steam sale and is my surprise hit of the year.
An expansion is needed with some new modes like horde.
An expansion is needed with some new modes like horde.
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once you have the scoped-laser and rockets, they go down so quickly
Sleepy Buddha
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Yep, I share your enthusiasm, OP. It's a really fun and enjoyable game. The shooting is very satisfying. Played it on PS4, but will double dip on Steam when it's cheaper.
Also, fuck Deathshead on Uber, he's such an aggravating dick in the last section.
Also, fuck Deathshead on Uber, he's such an aggravating dick in the last section.
Vulcano's assistant
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Tied for my GOTY with Divinity
Revolutionary
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Can't believe there's finally a game where I can say "the critics got it right". Game was good but not nearly as good as some on GAF might suggest.
What's with heavies these days? It's like every game has them. They're not fun or interesting.
Modern game reviewers, in general, have absolutely no idea what makes a good FPS.
phant0m
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allow me to take this opportunity to plug my ShareFactory video...
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videogamer3
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I will get the game eventually, but I have a hard time spending $60 on a single player only FPS
I guess I'm an outlier then as I still think Raven did a better job rebooting Wolfenstein (2009).
If it was just shooting, New Order could've been a classic. Sadly it's bogged down by predictable badass nerd humor ("F*** you, Nazi Spaceman," - lets get this meme going lads) and an appalling, tone-deaf story.
This was the game that convinced me that Riddick was a one-off. Whatever magic that team had is long-gone now. This game resonates with people who like the trappings of the experience. The goofy little extras, rather than the moment-to-moment play. The shooting is great, but the world is a bad imitation of Dunwall, the weapons are mostly bog-standard and the pacing is truly atrocious.
How funny is it that despite the deep pockets of Zenimax, a legendary franchise, and
the developers pedigree, Starbreeze ended up making the better game. Brothers was a heartfelt innovative experience that will stay with me for a long time. I couldn't even be bothered playing through New Orders second time-line. It was just a drag.
Check out Shadow Warrior (2013) for the real deal. It absolutely smokes New Order in every respect.
If it was just shooting, New Order could've been a classic. Sadly it's bogged down by predictable badass nerd humor ("F*** you, Nazi Spaceman," - lets get this meme going lads) and an appalling, tone-deaf story.
This was the game that convinced me that Riddick was a one-off. Whatever magic that team had is long-gone now. This game resonates with people who like the trappings of the experience. The goofy little extras, rather than the moment-to-moment play. The shooting is great, but the world is a bad imitation of Dunwall, the weapons are mostly bog-standard and the pacing is truly atrocious.
How funny is it that despite the deep pockets of Zenimax, a legendary franchise, and
the developers pedigree, Starbreeze ended up making the better game. Brothers was a heartfelt innovative experience that will stay with me for a long time. I couldn't even be bothered playing through New Orders second time-line. It was just a drag.
Check out Shadow Warrior (2013) for the real deal. It absolutely smokes New Order in every respect.
It's $40 on Amazon (all platforms).
Some people find them fun or challenging? They could also be a form of padding the game. A 10 second corridor may turn into a 10 minute spiral of reloading as you complete the "challenge" and move on.
Tempting to order this tonight and pickup at Best Buy tomorrow. It's $32 with GCU.
They're fine if they've got a mechanic or trick to dispatching them. If they're just regular enemies with lots of HP and/or armour they're kind of annoying to fight. On Uber difficulty, the Robot Guards and Super Soldiers almost melted with laser weaponry, Fire Troopers had those tanks on their back that deal significant damage if they're blown up, Rocket Troopers died to 2-4 rockets depending on where you hit.
Started playing this yesterday, up to chapter six. Definitely agree with the praise so far. The level design so far sets it apart from what a lot of shooter campaigns have devolved into lately. Storytelling is a lot better than expected too.
I won't say the stealth always works perfectly with nobody coming across dead bodies a lot of the time and enemies not hearing hounds shrieking when you stab them, but it provides a good option. It also emphasizes taking a closer a look at your options for navigating the environment.
Looks to be good for a second play through as well. This game, Destiny, and Farcry 4 have me optimistic about shooter campaigns again.
I won't say the stealth always works perfectly with nobody coming across dead bodies a lot of the time and enemies not hearing hounds shrieking when you stab them, but it provides a good option. It also emphasizes taking a closer a look at your options for navigating the environment.
Looks to be good for a second play through as well. This game, Destiny, and Farcry 4 have me optimistic about shooter campaigns again.
Hyperbole off the charts. I'm sorry, but while this game is good, there is no way in hell it's GOTY.
Cue "people are entitled to their opinions", and yes, but there are some serious issues with this game.
Barring your interesting historical analysis, replies to what you actually said about the game:
Although there are ample opportunities to differentiate your methods of completing a stage, the map design is nevertheless linearized for the vast majority of the game. The pace is not at all quickened relative to the plot; in the final level, you are explicitly encouraged by masses of enemies extant around the nearest corners and well placed Laserkraftwerk charging locations to abuse the ADS ability on the LKW in a highly awkward guerilla style of gameplay. This playstyle is similarly encouraged for the final boss for both forms.
Additionally, the corridor-esque maps make stealth attacks a very awkward form of Dishonored takedowns (also, if you don't think that Dishonored is the inspiration, note the single knife animations and the fact that Bethesda has a role in both TNO and Dishonored).
While you are not required to play the game like COD, it is practically encouraged. Hip fire is essentially randomized after the first bullet is shot off something unless you take considerable breaks in between shots. You can test this by shooting at any wall of your choice.
The weapon switching system, while theoretically less restrictive, is practically awkward, particularly in tense situations on a game controller. It works well on PC from what I understand, but it is not well adapted to console gaming. A button tap-based switch mechanism would be less awkward.
These systems draw direct inspiration from COD. Shooting one nazi and having nearby nazis alert their comrades has always existed in COD. Grenades are deployed against you if you're overly defensive in COD. etc.
The idea that you're encouraged to use all of your weapons in the game's boss fights is an outright lie. The LKW is clearly preferred and easily abused with or without ADS lock-ons.
This isn't so much your personal preference as it is a strategic adaptation to the game. If you alert the commanders, extra enemies are generally called into the area and the potential for you to get flanked and / or outnumbered is increased. You have everything to gain and nothing to lose by starting out commanded zones with a stealth gameplan.
While it's nice, much of this is pre-set, not dynamic, and either with a limited or highly specific use (i.e. first form of the final boss).
TNO doesn't have an interesting story as much as a sensationalist one. It's at its best when it shocks you (i.e. robotic dog coming out of nowhere) and tries to make you feel hatred for your enemy or a sense of loss. Interpersonally and contextually, it is somewhat contrived and ridiculous. It's certainly an upgrade from the usual COD gung-ho shitfest, but I wouldn't insinuate that it's stellar.
The historical pieces and thematic music interspersed throughout the game are interesting, but they only provide a competent background to a silly plot.
The characters are a mixed bag. Some are quite unusual, and the familial feel to the protagonists is a plus; however, a few of them, like Fergus and Klaus, are quite stereotypical. It's comparable to a well done Gears of War character set. As a matter of fact, for all her unoriginality, Anya does a really good job of being Anya (GoW)!
Since you didn't discuss the game's replay value, I'd like to bring that up. The game is a fully priced game with the length of a COD campaign, with a second story route that has a minimal influence on the game (I didn't complete it, so if I'm wrong, correct me). That is a big detractor from the game's quality. Games with even less content, like Titanfall, can manage to have replay value in their competitive aspect, which sustains replay value relative to the depth of player strategies used in combat; but TNO, as an SP game, is not afforded that privilege. Once you've experienced the game, you've accomplished almost all that you could do in it.
Overall, I like TNO, and it was a good purchase; but it is by no means game of the year or anything, dare I say it, game-changing. It's merely an FPS campaign that focused on its storytelling more than the average FPS. That's commendable, but not exaltable.
Cue "people are entitled to their opinions", and yes, but there are some serious issues with this game.
Barring your interesting historical analysis, replies to what you actually said about the game:
Although there are ample opportunities to differentiate your methods of completing a stage, the map design is nevertheless linearized for the vast majority of the game. The pace is not at all quickened relative to the plot; in the final level, you are explicitly encouraged by masses of enemies extant around the nearest corners and well placed Laserkraftwerk charging locations to abuse the ADS ability on the LKW in a highly awkward guerilla style of gameplay. This playstyle is similarly encouraged for the final boss for both forms.
Additionally, the corridor-esque maps make stealth attacks a very awkward form of Dishonored takedowns (also, if you don't think that Dishonored is the inspiration, note the single knife animations and the fact that Bethesda has a role in both TNO and Dishonored).
While you are not required to play the game like COD, it is practically encouraged. Hip fire is essentially randomized after the first bullet is shot off something unless you take considerable breaks in between shots. You can test this by shooting at any wall of your choice.
The weapon switching system, while theoretically less restrictive, is practically awkward, particularly in tense situations on a game controller. It works well on PC from what I understand, but it is not well adapted to console gaming. A button tap-based switch mechanism would be less awkward.
These systems draw direct inspiration from COD. Shooting one nazi and having nearby nazis alert their comrades has always existed in COD. Grenades are deployed against you if you're overly defensive in COD. etc.
The idea that you're encouraged to use all of your weapons in the game's boss fights is an outright lie. The LKW is clearly preferred and easily abused with or without ADS lock-ons.
This isn't so much your personal preference as it is a strategic adaptation to the game. If you alert the commanders, extra enemies are generally called into the area and the potential for you to get flanked and / or outnumbered is increased. You have everything to gain and nothing to lose by starting out commanded zones with a stealth gameplan.
While it's nice, much of this is pre-set, not dynamic, and either with a limited or highly specific use (i.e. first form of the final boss).
TNO doesn't have an interesting story as much as a sensationalist one. It's at its best when it shocks you (i.e. robotic dog coming out of nowhere) and tries to make you feel hatred for your enemy or a sense of loss. Interpersonally and contextually, it is somewhat contrived and ridiculous. It's certainly an upgrade from the usual COD gung-ho shitfest, but I wouldn't insinuate that it's stellar.
The historical pieces and thematic music interspersed throughout the game are interesting, but they only provide a competent background to a silly plot.
The characters are a mixed bag. Some are quite unusual, and the familial feel to the protagonists is a plus; however, a few of them, like Fergus and Klaus, are quite stereotypical. It's comparable to a well done Gears of War character set. As a matter of fact, for all her unoriginality, Anya does a really good job of being Anya (GoW)!
Since you didn't discuss the game's replay value, I'd like to bring that up. The game is a fully priced game with the length of a COD campaign, with a second story route that has a minimal influence on the game (I didn't complete it, so if I'm wrong, correct me). That is a big detractor from the game's quality. Games with even less content, like Titanfall, can manage to have replay value in their competitive aspect, which sustains replay value relative to the depth of player strategies used in combat; but TNO, as an SP game, is not afforded that privilege. Once you've experienced the game, you've accomplished almost all that you could do in it.
Overall, I like TNO, and it was a good purchase; but it is by no means game of the year or anything, dare I say it, game-changing. It's merely an FPS campaign that focused on its storytelling more than the average FPS. That's commendable, but not exaltable.
RedAssedApe
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Consoles will get this one soon. Hope its as good as advertised as the gaf hype for WNO didn't fully line up with what I played either.
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Being forced to move around an environment is worthwhile, though. Something that makes you reconsider the way you usually treat the space. It seems like the behavior heavies are meant to encourage.
It must be a tough problem. You make the heavy's damage output too weak -> players aren't intimidated. Raise the damage output -> players are too afraid to move at all. If most players sit behind cover and unload (I suspect this is true), then, yeah, they probably shouldn't be in games of this sort and a better solution should be found.
I thought most of the characters were throwaway. What did I miss about Anya? She takes care of you while you are a vegetable but you see very little of it. Then you see her here and there throughout the game (where she turns out to be an incredible scientist, mind you) and you bang her twice. Any other development is through audio logs. This is weak.
Caroline is cool. Engel is a pretty good villain.
I would think more mobile enemies would make sense than HP sinks. I definitely thought they were HP sinks in this game unless you just pound the laser gun.
Caroline is cool. Engel is a pretty good villain.
I would think more mobile enemies would make sense than HP sinks. I definitely thought they were HP sinks in this game unless you just pound the laser gun.
kutthoat5150
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well I was on the fence for this game until this, sold
Trigonometrize.
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Wolfenstein: The New Order is one of the great examples of having low expectations making a game beloved. It makes me happy that people like it so much.
Dragonborn
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It's a very, very good game. I gameflied it but I full intend on buying later this year, maybe on PC to replay through the alternate storyline. Can't wait.
Whatever Bethesda lets them work on. Hopefully a new IP.
No. If MG wants to create a sequel [they said they would love to do one and they have mapped out story plans], I wish they would work on that. Pushing IPs to high end developers is never good.
Bethesda is a toxic publisher to tie yourself to.
Nice way to get started and get some initial revenue, but they need to be very careful how they proceed with that group.
Though by themselves not an indicator of length, CODG has more SP chapters than TNO. I'd say the campaign length is roughly equal, only slightly in TNO's favor. Mind you, CODG is a game that focuses on its multiplayer, however pathetically.
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