Glass Rebel
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Are they a GAFfer perchance? 🤔
Woman Goes on Racist Rant at Target
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Are they a GAFfer perchance? 🤔
Snarky(HEART)
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OK #teammentallyill, you've successfully pivoted the topic from racism to mental health once again. We're here so we might as well play ball.
Now what? What should be done for this woman? I mean, there's gotta be more to it than just wanting people to know mental illness is the primary reason.
What should we do about it?
Now what? What should be done for this woman? I mean, there's gotta be more to it than just wanting people to know mental illness is the primary reason.
What should we do about it?
Skellig Gra
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Dumb racist who also is unhinged the perfect Trump voter.
Two things:
1. This isn't like the majority of times where the footage just shows a person shouting racist shit without any other factors on display and people using the "mental health" defense.
2. Negative perception of mental health is a real issue that needs talking about.
Why not both? One could argue her mental issues help cause her racism but that doesn't mean she's not racist (though obviously mental issues to be going on a rant like that regardless of if she's racist or not).
This thread is frustrating as hell to read. I hate racism as much as anyone here, you won't find a post by me ever defending a racist. This lady clearly has some kind of mental health issue, whether it's a manic episode, drug induced, or she's just always crazy, it doesn't matter. She belongs in a mental hospital. Just because she's racist doesn't change that she needs some help.
I've been in mental hospitals, I've dealt with crazy before, and I know the difference between someone going on a racist rant and someone who's clearly lost control of their mind. I hope they took this lady to a mental health facility instead of a jail where she'll just get worse.
I've been in mental hospitals, I've dealt with crazy before, and I know the difference between someone going on a racist rant and someone who's clearly lost control of their mind. I hope they took this lady to a mental health facility instead of a jail where she'll just get worse.
tonysidaway
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Is that a serious question? No, they are never able to remain in a forum for long.
Glass Rebel
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The gall of trying to spin this derail as raising awareness for mental illness.
Mammoth Jones
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Well she's not black or brown so the first thing she should get is compassion.....
Snarky(HEART)
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1. Could you describe to me the specific tells? Legitimately, I don't know what they are.
2. Okay. Let's talk. How should this woman be perceived? Honestly, it's a complex issue. She's being aggressive, belligerent and hateful.
Spieler Eins
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Sorry, but what's the point of asterisks here? lol. Do they want to tell me people above the age of 10 don't perceive these quotes fluently because of a single vowel removed? Don't quote it directly if you're uncomfortable with it or show it fully. Can't pet yourself on the back with this halfbaked "protection".
To be fair, it's still possible that she was just high/drunk af.
To be fair, it's still possible that she was just high/drunk af.
I agree mental health needs serious addressing in America. What I don't agree with is potentially hijacking situations that may not even be related to it at all, especially given the way we view mental illness depending upon the race of the person in question. Like, I don't think you're going to even begin to chip away at the negative stigma if you attach the issue to ones that include confirmed victims of racism. If anything, given the way we put every mass shooter into the "mentally ill" pool, don't you risk doing even further damage by implying that the mentally ill are more likely to also be shitheels?
Just because she's mentally ill does not necessarily change that she's racist. But since you've been in mental hospitals I guess you are the Japanese culture expert of this thread.
The cognitive dissonance required to disassociate overt, literally racist words coming from somebody with racism at all is impressive.
This is where my mind's at on this. Otherwise, a lot of posts seem to imply that there are extenuating circumstances around calling people sand niggers.
Ok, how about this? Maybe if she was black or brown and had mental issues and didn't get compassion she should have same as if she is white and have mental issues.
Rather than say fuck her and everyone who has mental issues should be ignored and just treated like a regular person when their mental issue has them going overboard. Maybe he wrong here isn't that she gets more understanding that it may be a mental issue but that if she wasn't white she would get less understanding. Maybe the stand should be made when people are laughing at a minority who going on a rant that they should consider maybe the person has mental issues.
Though I personally think it is most likely that she is racist and has mental issues. It is possible the mental issues helped make her racist through not being able to reason well.
Alligatorjandro
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Sometimes people are assholes. Doesn't mean they're mentally ill.
Gordon Shumway
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Holy shit!
Always-honest
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What you do is confuse people on GAF for triggerhappy racist policemen.
Racism needs to die. And we also need to be humane and rational. Not just for white people. For all people. I've read plenty of stories of mentally ill people being killed for shouting stuff they had no idea of. Many of them black (because you're right, they get killed way faster than white people).
In this case two things need to happen:
1 she needs to be evaluated to see what's wrong with her because aside racist stuff, she also says crazy stuff.
2. her racist views need to be addressed. Of course.
tonysidaway
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In my country somebody clearly displaying odd behaviour would be assessed by the police doctor and then by a mental health specialist. They could then be voluntarily admitted to hospital if necessary, or if they refuse and are judged to be a danger to themselves or others they could be admitted involuntarily ("sectioned") under the Mental Health Act.
Police officers are not well equipped to handle mentally ill people, in my experience. Perhaps it's too far from what they're normally expected to deal with. Having said that, they're frequently very understanding on a personal level, and can be quick to recognise when their powers aren't sufficient to make the situation better.
After assessment, quite often the best course of action is to make sure the person has a carer or other responsible person who can ensure that they have a chance to wind down and recover in safety. A stay in hospital should be the last resort, for instance if they are previously unknown to the mental health system and need to be observed for a while, or if there is no safe way for them to recover at home.
Trigonometrize.
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Her screams at the end could be remixed. Maybe you shouldn't since we don't need to make her into a star, but "I'll leave if you let go" has a lot of potential.
Sure, from my perspective they're:
1. The slurred, irrational speech patterns.
2. The way she moves, it seems just as irrational as her speech and she has 'tick' like responses to people when they speak to her that indicate a physical reaction in place of a mental one (which is a very common thing for mentally impaired people, when they're unable to comprehend a mental response they sometimes make a sharp physical gesture and a guttural sound as it's all they can manage).
3. The way she chants the plea of "let me go and I'll leave", the look on her face at the end of the video while she's screaming "she didn't do nothing".
4. The way she chooses to throw things seemingly without thought and just as a pure physical reaction.
All these things could be because she's strung out, but usually when someone is strung out they don't show all of these things at once. There's also just a way that those suffering a mental break move, and it's more subtle. Perhaps if you compared footage of drunken racists and people suffering mental breaks you might see what I mean, but to me there are some clear tells here.
I'm not a doctor, I'm not an expert. I'm just a person who worked as an assistant in a care home and saw this kind of behaviour on a daily basis.
I mean, if this woman is a person in horrific mental distress, even if she is a horrible racist with horrific mental distress, what would /you/ suggest we do?
Her racism needs to be condemned, absolutely, but how much understanding should a person with no control of their actions suffering from severe mental issues be afforded?
Should we judge them, or the society/institution/individuals who are responsible for their care and have failed?
Again, this isn't saying people who drop their mask and get racist and angry at people should be afforded the benefit of the doubt. I'm not saying that in the slightest.
So what should be done? Should we just all point and laugh at the stupid racist? Haha that dumb racist bitch thinks they're keeping dead bodies in the basement! Haha, only a dumb racist would think of that, I bet she voted for Trump! Should that be what this thread is for?
Remember this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7McCpCR3Vg
That's a racist cunt. She deserves whatever comes her way. But if she was acting similarly to the person in this thread, I'd be saying she needs help as well.
The person in this thread needs help, whether it be a mental hospital or drug rehab, that's all I'm saying. And if she's actually racist then she's a POS, but still needs something done about the crazy.
lmao oh wow
megatronium
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WOW!!
Partial thread redemption. I know some people are gonna flip that they are mocking a
white woman in distress
Please let me know why you and apparently others think that mental illness and racism are mutually exclusive, as well as why you are 100% sure she is mentally ill before any further information is revealed, while not 100% sure that she is at the very least racist against arabic people, despite absolute --sorry, audible-- evidence that she is? Do you see why this comes off as a bit biased?
ãInaba Residentã
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Probably mentally ill and racist.
Doubtful that her yelling racial slurs is a result of her being mentally unwell but there's clearly something wrong with her.
Doubtful that her yelling racial slurs is a result of her being mentally unwell but there's clearly something wrong with her.
Snarky(HEART)
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It's hilariously annoying that people believe pointing out people's racism is only for the purposes of laughing at them
I don't know maybe we could use the thread to help people who have been victimized by people who like calling others Sand Niggers
Ok I watched the video, and the comment she makes near the end makes it sound she is having some serious delusions. That display of behavior goes hand in hand with mental illness, if her incoherent violent outburst didn't indicate that already. But as some others said, she is a racist as well.
I kinda felt bad for the scrawny security dude. Dumb fatass at the end was saying in Spanish he was violiting that woman's right lmao.
I kinda felt bad for the scrawny security dude. Dumb fatass at the end was saying in Spanish he was violiting that woman's right lmao.
PixelatedBookake
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I didn't feel bad for her. Sorry ¯_(ツ
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_/¯You racist sympathizer!
Tourettes?
Not saying that is definitely the case, but possibly a factor.
I'm not 100% sure she has mental health problems, that's for a doctor to decide. But the behavior she's displaying should and I hope landed her in a hospital bed where she's being observed to make that determination.
You don't even need the disclaimer, youke. You were just answering a question with a fact.
Messofanego
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She can be racist and mentally ill. She was still being violent and was rightly apprehended. She might end up in a mental hospital if she's assessed to have a disorder.
Why do some people put qualifiers for thinking badly of a racist but they won't think badly of a racist who has mental issues? Because it could have been an episode and normally that person isn't racist? Well, that would require further investigation to confirm, and when you're going off evidence without that, it's fair to judge all racism as bad.
It's not exactly shocking to believe that if a non-white person acted this way, they'd end up instead in jail because the American for-profit prison industrial complex works like that.
Why do some people put qualifiers for thinking badly of a racist but they won't think badly of a racist who has mental issues? Because it could have been an episode and normally that person isn't racist? Well, that would require further investigation to confirm, and when you're going off evidence without that, it's fair to judge all racism as bad.
It's not exactly shocking to believe that if a non-white person acted this way, they'd end up instead in jail because the American for-profit prison industrial complex works like that.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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It's rather amazingly un-self-aware to shit on people for taking a topic in a conversational direction they desire and then complain that the thread is not going in the conversational direction you desire.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Snarky(HEART)
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What? I don't think the two things I said are at odds at all. I expressed my frustration at the poster who seems to believe all we want to do is laugh and point at a racist, And then I stated another purpose to pointing out her racism besides to laugh at her.
Agreed. We should start with this idea that mentally ill people randomly call people sand niggers
Having a mental illness can potentially cause people to say or do irrational things.
She can very likely be racist, and her mental illness caused her act crazy like this and blurt out stuff.
Would you feel a little bit worse about her if she was a mentally ill racist?
The Culture Vulture
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They have a Which Wich in that Target? Damn....
You pretty much have to prove racism "beyond a reasonable doubt" to people who have only been taught about racism in the context of things like slavery and evil groups like the KKK and rarely in the context of bad behavior and ignorance.
If you don't currently understand how mental illness can cause people to say/do things they wouldn't usually do to the point they suffer greatly post-attack with the full weight of their actions, then I suggest you do some reading.
We don't know if that's the case here, but I'm simply going by the statement I'm quoting above.
There's not "little evidence of a mental breakdown" here, there's quite a lot of it.
You'd usually be right, but I think this video stands out from the usual as an actual example of a mental health problem as the primary factor.
Not sure if you're referring to me, but I do have more compassion for someone suffering from mental health issues due to my experiences with it, whether they're racist or not. I just find it incredibly sad to see someone not in control of their mind. I have zero respect or compassion for a racist who is of sound mind.
I agree if the lady was a non-white then the chances of her being thrown in jail skyrocket, which is complete bullshit and fucked up, but I assure you, I'd still be here saying the same things if she wasn't white.
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