Wonder Woman Is a Disjointed Disaster (Says DC Insider)

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Because of the "DC movie" part?
This movie has a different management team and is 80% Snyder free. This one should not suffer the same editing problems as the last 2, at the very least. And buzz has been good for the last months and by people with a face, so excuse me if I don't believe anonymous tipper #38234. There isn't even a final cut for the moment or anything resembling it.
 
Yeah no. I've watched Schmoes for a few years, Sasha genuinely wants this to be a great film and she'd be crushed if it was poor. A trusted friend/source saw it and told her it was bad. She has no logical reason to lie about this. Of course this is all hinging on the insiders movie tastes so it doesn't really matter. Sasha like Tom Dagnino before her are legit..

Who says that it is an "insider" at all? Wasn't her qualification that this source is apparently an insider is that she said BvS was awful? That doesn't seem like much in the way of insider information to me. If she really has insider info why didn't she tell her who WB are looking at Suicide Squad or even The Titans which is allegedly coming together too?

I'm very, very dubious of these insiders that talk in binary 'it's bad/great' rather than dropping actual nuggets of information.

Of course Sasha has said that Cumberbatch is a complete dick from her encounters with him and I choose not to believe it.

Heard the same thing.
 
I mean really, all we can do is wait and see what the reviews say when the movie actually comes out. You never really know what sort of edit these leakers watched, or how much of it they saw, etc.

I'm certainly not defending it, as my expectation bar is pretty low, but it is worth waiting until the full thing is out before kicking sand and screaming at the sky.

There does seem to be a serious disconnect with DC and it's movies, but they committed to this plan, and now that so much money has been put into it, this train isn't likely to slow down. I can't imagine what it must feel like to be in that situation. Unless your nest egg is big enough by this point that you just don't care so you stay with it till the money train runs you over.
 
Its amazing how these topics always show up on GAF. Like people always go out of their way to look for these things to feed their confirmation bias.

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be true. I hope its not though. Don't know why many of you seem happy by this news.

Because people seem to be hoping that Warner Brothers releasing another bad film in this franchise will somehow lead to them ordering a system wide reboot of the entire universe despite the fact that...

A) Suicide Squad made the studio a ridiculous amount of money, in spite of the fact it was also not a very good film.
B) Suicide Squad made a ridiculous amount of money, which has ensured sequels in the years to come for that particular project alone, which in turn will ensure the survival of this particular continuity.

At the end of the day, if this movie ends up being terrible, all we'll get out of the deal is a terrible Wonder Woman movie. We should want these films to get better, not worse, because for the next few years, this is going to be the only DC Film Universe we're going to get.
 
Martha Snyder

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Idk, both are terrible terrible films but BvS is unwatchable, I will never finish that movie, ever.

SS is much worse imho.
I actually know what is going on in BvS and it even makes sense sometimes, it's terrible but SS is just random stuff with some music on top.
 
I think Man of Steel got around 55% so it has to be higher than that.

For reference Thor 2 is 66% which is the lowest MCU film.
Ant man, iron man 2, age of ultron, and both thors were trash to super average movies. Man of Steel is better then those but for some reason critics prefer the marvel shtick and tone.
 
Internet person says bad thing about DC movie. Must be true then.

Their track record with their film universe isn't exactly stellar.

That doesn't mean we should automatically believe insider opinions, because saying "-DC film- is a disjointed mess" is probably the most broad assumption you could make about them.
 
Ant man, iron man 2, age of ultron, and both thors were trash to super average movies. Man of Steel is better then those but for some reason critics prefer the marvel shtick and tone.
The Dark Knight Rises got higher than all of those. So it's definitely just Marvel bias.
 
This movie has a different management team and is 80% Snyder free. This one should not suffer the same editing problems as the last 2, at the very least. And buzz has been good for the last months and by people with a face, so excuse me if I don't believe anonymous tipper #38234. There isn't even a final cut for the moment or anything resembling it.

I haven't heard anything about positive about this movie outside of the trailer looks cool. Which was same buzz behind Suicide Squad, and there was alot of hype for that till it actually came out and critics actually ended up hating it.

Really right now they have yet to prove themselves with the DC cinematic universe so obviously folks are gonna worry and believe this
 
Their track record with their film universe isn't exactly stellar.

That doesn't mean we should automatically believe insider opinions, because saying "-DC film- is a disjointed mess" is probably the most broad assumption you could make about them.
I agree. I think BvS and Suicide Squad have issues that are unique to each film. It's difficult to understand a 'more of the same' argument other than just assuming that a viewer thought the film was bad. And this is someone else's opinion of course. Some people loved Suicide Squad whereas I thought it was a lot worse than even BvS.
 
Ant man, iron man 2, age of ultron, and both thors were trash to super average movies. Man of Steel is better then those but for some reason critics prefer the marvel shtick and tone.

No it wasn't. Man of Steel suffers from the same shortcomings as every Snyder film to date since Dawn of the Dead.
 
Don't understand how they can be so bad at this. Anyway, if this whole thing crashes and burns, I hope they trash movie continuity and just go with the route of making good super hero flicks with very, very loose canonical connections. Elseworlds and such. No single tone for all the characters (as it is with Marvel).
 
Ant man, iron man 2, age of ultron, and both thors were trash to super average movies. Man of Steel is better then those but for some reason critics prefer the marvel shtick and tone.

Did those Marvel movies broke the story flow by clumsily going back and forth between flashback and present?
 
I don't believe some random internet hearsay, but my trust in WB/Snyderverse is extremely low.

I genuinely hope it will be a good or even great film. And I am actually rooting for this given it is the first female fronted superhero flick in a long time. Furthermore, i would enjoy having more good superhero films that have nothing to do with Marvel.

But if it is bad, then I hope it is SS-tier because that will bring people more entertainment than a boring/meh film.
 
that would mean that the mixture of a studio who completely botched the previous three films, an idiot producer, a mediocre director, bad writers and a terrible lead actress would result in a mess of a movie.
What makes Patty Jenkins a "mediocre director"? The one previous film she made was widely acclaimed and won major awards.
 
Honestly, this movie didn't look so hot from what the trailers showed. I loved WW role in BvS, however small it was. So I was looking forward to her own movie. Sad it will prob be bad...
 
I don't see any good reason to believe this.

Yeah the DC movies have been generally bad, but there's really nothing here.

It's a prediction without any stakes, because the movie isn't done. If it turns out to be bad like the rest of the DCEU movies, then you look like you were right, even though you don't have to actually know anything to predict that a movie in an ongoing series of bad movies will be bad. If the movie turns out to be good, you just say "oh well they must have fixed it with the final cut" and you don't even have to look bad for saying the movie was discombobulated when you saw it.
 
This movie has a different management team and is 80% Snyder free. This one should not suffer the same editing problems as the last 2, at the very least. And buzz has been good for the last months and by people with a face, so excuse me if I don't believe anonymous tipper #38234. There isn't even a final cut for the moment or anything resembling it.

Where are you getting the idea that the movie has a different management team, should not suffer the same editing problems as two movies with completely different directors/editors, and has been receiving positive buzz from people with a face? Plus, shouldn't the lack of a final cut discount all of those positive impressions (from who?) too?

Because he returns $20 for every $1 they give.

Quality and aclaim don't matter. Returns do. It ain't Marvel, but what else prints money like that.

Closer to $2, and even that's a bit generous.
 
Ant man, iron man 2, age of ultron, and both thors were trash to super average movies. Man of Steel is better then those but for some reason critics prefer the marvel shtick and tone.

I love this idea that movie critics are Marvel internet fanboys that will do anything to take DC down a peg. Wake up sheeple, the superhero movie review business is totally rigged!
 
"Discombobulated" is a good way to describe the film making style of modern big budget movies. Not sure if it's the editing or the writing or what. Doesn't help that everything has been Bay-ified to the point it all feels inconsequential at best.
 
Ant man, iron man 2, age of ultron, and both thors were trash to super average movies. Man of Steel is better then those but for some reason critics prefer the marvel shtick and tone.

"For some reason". They're largely agreed upon to be better movies. There's no conspiracy involved.
 
What does it mean that the film is disjointed? Too much jumping from one location or timeline to another?

I'm a bit confused. I thought focusing on 1 character would help WW.


Because he returns $20 for every $1 they give.

Quality and aclaim don't matter. Returns do. It ain't Marvel, but what else prints money like that.

So Snyder is like a real life money flipper like those on Instagram?
 
What makes Patty Jenkins a "mediocre director"? The one previous film she made was widely acclaimed and won major awards.

Charlize Theron carried that movie, she's also the reason for 99% of all the awards it won (to be fair the director deserves some credit for actors having good performances). Her TV work is iffy at best.

she made one small budget film 14 years ago, perfect director for a big budget action movie.
 
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