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World of Warcraft |OT8| CITIZENS OF DALARAN
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are you sure it's not the quest where you fight him on top of the halls before you do the dungeon quest?
The first time I killed Dro on my dps DH, it was accidental when Ward of the First Arcanist fired and he suicided against it from a fairly high hp %. I imagine it's not a foolproof tactic but seems like something one might lean on.
iirc the aegis appears as a ? to click on next to odyn so if you port out too early, you miss out.
Ah god, it's not in the dungeon? Ugh. Ok, thanks haha.
That is doubly annoying if true.
jaundicejuice
Member
Some people are convinced that an equivalent or larger Legion tailor bag will be added in a patch, but even if one isn't the rising price point is nice for WoD tailors, I guess. Although I personally wouldn't want to go back to Draenor to do garrison chores like farming animals for sumptuous fur, gathering Gorgrond flytraps from Gorgrond and your herb garden or hearthing to your garrison to max out your tailor hut and barn production rates.
If my tailor was on this new server I'd probably be doing it though. I've got my Paladin covered for personal use and am working on its bank tabs now.
Best run so far, 43 withered collected in total.
And I can't wait for my next run in a few days! Got a second berserker, two more mana-ragers (for a total of 3), and a spellseer to find hidden chests.
I got this far with just one berserker and mana-rager. And I'm an arcane mage! (ilevel is 843 for anyone curious)
Withered Training as a Mage.
1) You have to tank for your guys. It's counter intuitive but there it is. When those spiders or dryads run into your Withered, they have a chance of getting knocked back. I don't know if this does damage but I do know that this is one of the biggest risks in the first room because an unlucky knockback will aggro another pack. So once you launch your first spell, run into them to draw aggro. You have to play like a tank to keep your dudes safe.
2) Originally I thought to Ring of Frost the Arcane Wraith's explosion, but I feel like that's not such a great idea now. You're better off just saving as much burst as possible for the last "phase" and burning them down before they explode.
3) Have to kite Dro. I did Army Training for the first time on my mage yesterday and I tried to tank him like I do on my DH. He killed me without even touching my 20 Withered army. This time, I just led him in a merry go around. He still got close to killing me, but fortunately I had taken Cold Snap so I healed up during Block. Ice Floes would've been a huge help here but I was experimenting with Ring of Frost. You want to, honestly, treat this like a PVP encounter with a Rogue or a Warrior and just keep your distance while your Withered hammer away at him. Remember to turn on berserking if the coast is clear (I was too close to Phyx to do it). Make sure you're using Frost Nova and Ice Barrier regularly to extend your life, and pop your DPS cooldowns as well. I lost 6 withered out of 24.
4) One trick I discovered is that you can use the berserking as a "hold position". There is that one encounter where you need to kill a spider elite to open a door, and the elite's surrounded by eggs. I didn't want to go in so I had the idea of turning on berserking in the room outside and then pulling the elite out. Worked like a charm.
5) The spiral staircase is very frightening because of the aforementioned knockback. You'll want to use some targeted AoE to pull the spiderlings on the ground to you so you can clear a space. Another way to do it is just to run into a corner while spamming AoE to draw aggro. Again, make sure you run to the front so the spiders attack you. If they touch your withered, chances are they'll get knocked over the side and aggro the entire place.
Suggested talents for Frost
Bone Chilling - Only choice here
Cold Snap - For healing against Dro
Mirror Image - Could be good fire and forget against Dro, I used IF in my run but I might try Mirror Image next time
Frozen Touch - On demand burst for wraiths, and can be casted while kiting.
Ice Nova (?) - I like the burst provided by Frozen Touch but an on demand AoE snare could be good too
Ice Floes - kiting Dro
Ice Ward (?) - For double snaring, since I'm frost I already get another snare with my Water Elemental but Fire or Arcane could use it
Frost Bomb - DPS/Cleave
Glacial Spike - Would be a lot better with Ice Floes against Dro, but sadly I didn't have Floes so I couldn't take advantage of Spike.
For Fire (theorycrafting)
Conflagration - Dps boost
Cold Snap - Same as Frost
Shimmer - Possibility for Fire because of your Artifact trait that gives you a heal
Mirror Image - Same as Frost
Flame On - Same reasoning as Frozen Touch
Ice Floes - Same as Frost
Ice Ward - Same as Frost
Living Bomb - Can be cast while kiting
Meteor - For burst. Might have to time it so that it starts coming down before a Wraith begins to explode
For Arcane (theorycrafting)
Arcane Familiar - Passive DPS boost
Presence of Mind - For kiting Dro
Cold Snap - Same as Frost
Supernova - Instant interrupt is a godsend against both Wraiths and Dro and anyone else
Ice Floes - Same as Frost
Ice Ward - Same as Frost
Arcane Orb - Instant damage for kiting
1) You have to tank for your guys. It's counter intuitive but there it is. When those spiders or dryads run into your Withered, they have a chance of getting knocked back. I don't know if this does damage but I do know that this is one of the biggest risks in the first room because an unlucky knockback will aggro another pack. So once you launch your first spell, run into them to draw aggro. You have to play like a tank to keep your dudes safe.
2) Originally I thought to Ring of Frost the Arcane Wraith's explosion, but I feel like that's not such a great idea now. You're better off just saving as much burst as possible for the last "phase" and burning them down before they explode.
3) Have to kite Dro. I did Army Training for the first time on my mage yesterday and I tried to tank him like I do on my DH. He killed me without even touching my 20 Withered army. This time, I just led him in a merry go around. He still got close to killing me, but fortunately I had taken Cold Snap so I healed up during Block. Ice Floes would've been a huge help here but I was experimenting with Ring of Frost. You want to, honestly, treat this like a PVP encounter with a Rogue or a Warrior and just keep your distance while your Withered hammer away at him. Remember to turn on berserking if the coast is clear (I was too close to Phyx to do it). Make sure you're using Frost Nova and Ice Barrier regularly to extend your life, and pop your DPS cooldowns as well. I lost 6 withered out of 24.
4) One trick I discovered is that you can use the berserking as a "hold position". There is that one encounter where you need to kill a spider elite to open a door, and the elite's surrounded by eggs. I didn't want to go in so I had the idea of turning on berserking in the room outside and then pulling the elite out. Worked like a charm.
5) The spiral staircase is very frightening because of the aforementioned knockback. You'll want to use some targeted AoE to pull the spiderlings on the ground to you so you can clear a space. Another way to do it is just to run into a corner while spamming AoE to draw aggro. Again, make sure you run to the front so the spiders attack you. If they touch your withered, chances are they'll get knocked over the side and aggro the entire place.
Suggested talents for Frost
Bone Chilling - Only choice here
Cold Snap - For healing against Dro
Mirror Image - Could be good fire and forget against Dro, I used IF in my run but I might try Mirror Image next time
Frozen Touch - On demand burst for wraiths, and can be casted while kiting.
Ice Nova (?) - I like the burst provided by Frozen Touch but an on demand AoE snare could be good too
Ice Floes - kiting Dro
Ice Ward (?) - For double snaring, since I'm frost I already get another snare with my Water Elemental but Fire or Arcane could use it
Frost Bomb - DPS/Cleave
Glacial Spike - Would be a lot better with Ice Floes against Dro, but sadly I didn't have Floes so I couldn't take advantage of Spike.
For Fire (theorycrafting)
Conflagration - Dps boost
Cold Snap - Same as Frost
Shimmer - Possibility for Fire because of your Artifact trait that gives you a heal
Mirror Image - Same as Frost
Flame On - Same reasoning as Frozen Touch
Ice Floes - Same as Frost
Ice Ward - Same as Frost
Living Bomb - Can be cast while kiting
Meteor - For burst. Might have to time it so that it starts coming down before a Wraith begins to explode
For Arcane (theorycrafting)
Arcane Familiar - Passive DPS boost
Presence of Mind - For kiting Dro
Cold Snap - Same as Frost
Supernova - Instant interrupt is a godsend against both Wraiths and Dro and anyone else
Ice Floes - Same as Frost
Ice Ward - Same as Frost
Arcane Orb - Instant damage for kiting
As an arcane mage, I prefer to use supernova for them, as the knock-up interrupts their explosion cast. Very useful.
Hah, I actually tanked him! As I mentioned above, the shield from Thalyssra, combined with doing as much damage as possible, will take him out pretty quick (and I think he ignores the Berserker's taunts?).
Professor Lich
Member
So I think I'm finally going to resub tonight or tomorrow, pretty excited.
I might of asked this before, sorry if I have, but the questing in Warlords was pretty good, right? Thinking about exhausting that out before hitting Legion.
I might of asked this before, sorry if I have, but the questing in Warlords was pretty good, right? Thinking about exhausting that out before hitting Legion.
Better than Legion, probably.
Unless you're a dumb dumb like me and set the schedule so that a critical mission ends at 3am when you're asleep. Fuck
jaundicejuice
Member
Yeah, no. Questing in WoD falls flat on its face the moment you leave the Alliance and Horde starting zones. While I haven't finished High Mountain or started Val'sharah, there's no way that the remainder of High Mountain or all of Val'sharah are as awful as the nonsensical gongshows that Gorgrond and Talador were. Frankenstiened, hacked together zones with quest lines and narratives that don't even fit together or make sense.
WoD's Orgrim Doomhammer still cracks me up.
i didn't see them in mine
Everyone gets to see something of them through the hall campaign. It's the quest line from Khadgar that makes you go underwater to examine a meteorite crash.
Approaching artifact level 23, and I've still not seen a legendary drop for anyone in my heroic dungeon groups. More worryingly, every one I've seen drop in guild has either come from a cache or mythic dungeon...
On a brighter note, the augment runes are going for silly money, and the gold from the satchels doesn't hurt.
On a brighter note, the augment runes are going for silly money, and the gold from the satchels doesn't hurt.
They did. It takes much less time now. To be precise, each demon (maybe each enemy) now gives 2-3% instead of sometimes less than 1.
Human Trashcan
Banned
Took my warrior from 100 to 102 but I don't think I really enjoy it, but I can't really put my finger on why. Everything feels like it takes slightly too long to kill, I feel kinda squishy for my class, it's just not really doing it for me. I don't see the benefit of leveling as arms or fury over prot, if it's as good as prot pally. I enjoy Hunter way more as a DPS class, and probably DH too. I think I might abandon the warrior, sadly. Arms could be fun in dungeons but leveling just feels kind of like a chore. Maybe I'll give leveling as Prot a shot.
If you're annoyed by the sustainability you could always make/buy that Fighter's Chow that increases your out of combat regen by 1000%, its really silly for leveling. If you're just not enjoying Warrior, though... then yeah, not much you can do there.
It's kind of just its own optional thing. If you want rep and hate it THAT badly, you can just do Nightfallen world quests. Like 3 of those and you'll get the same rep as a good Withered run.
I hate it too, but I can deal with it once every 3 days.
Yeah I had stopped doing it then the other day someone in the thread mentioned they reduced how many you had to kill to finish it. Where as I used to camp around that group of 10 Felguards and kill them 4-5 times before I finished, I finished it the last time before I even got to them.
That is quite the exaggeration. You can opt not to do it and miss out on a bit of rep every 3 days or do what you can and get something out of it.
heavy breathing
Man I would literally give my firstborn child to have Thorim and Hodir as my followers. Guess you can't please everyone.
Also withered training is so much worse than the treasure room in MoP was. I finished today with a 650 score and 52 withered (guardian druid, so it is super easy for me), and all I get is like 425 rep, 300 artifact power and an 810 item. Now that I have no purple chests left to get it just feels pointless to even run it.
Sölf;217205571 said:
In addition, named demon at the starting area gives like 30% alone, I killed him 3 times (he respawns in ~15 sec) and I was done.
You do realize you're not meant to get the chests before you're done clearing, yeah? Kill everything & walk back to get the chests.
Having played Legion extensively and following the leveling path a few times, I actually think it's pretty weak. Blizzard did a good job with the late game systems, but the path there is just beyond slight and forgettable. Highmountain is probably just the epitome of this, a completely one note zone with no interesting dynamics that does less with its repeated themes than we've seen in Warcraft before. Revisiting the Cataclysm zones for some of the Shaman quests really shed light on how bland the Legion zones are. Warlords of Draenor had an extreme number of problems, but the locations were much more diverse, dynamic, and interesting to explore.
I feel that Blizzard should be held to a higher accountability level with Legion's leveling zones. They are spartan, uninteresting, lacking diversity, and have such an insignificant soundtrack backing them up. Legion's leveling is getting a pass because it's quick and painless, but the complexity, scope, and ambition is completely absent.
Thanks for advice. I always like playing classes that can tank but I seldom ever do it. Maybe I'll just bite the bullet and give it a shot. As you guys said, it is the beginning of an expansion so know would be the best time to give it a try.
I've done 3 characters to 110 now and a few inbetween and I'll definitely go in the camp that WoD had better leveling zones.
Legion has a better carrot on a stick in artifact power over perks and checkign Dalaran for your class hall stuff and profession quests, but the quest lines in Warlords were less annoying. A lot of the quests in Legion feel like they drag forever after the first time and the WoD zones are much, MUCH easier to navigate than the Legion zones. Half of my leveling time in Legion feels like me trying to find where the cliff I go up is to find a cave underwater.
I'd kill to have Chen or Akama or Nazgrim. The most famous warrior in all of Warcraft(Grom) was brought back in WoD and still survived it and yet the warrior class hall has zero to do with him.
Legion has a better carrot on a stick in artifact power over perks and checkign Dalaran for your class hall stuff and profession quests, but the quest lines in Warlords were less annoying. A lot of the quests in Legion feel like they drag forever after the first time and the WoD zones are much, MUCH easier to navigate than the Legion zones. Half of my leveling time in Legion feels like me trying to find where the cliff I go up is to find a cave underwater.
I'd kill to have Chen or Akama or Nazgrim. The most famous warrior in all of Warcraft(Grom) was brought back in WoD and still survived it and yet the warrior class hall has zero to do with him.
I will agree the navigation verges on obnoxious at times. In zones like Stormheim or Highmountain it makes sense, but places like Azsuna or Val'sharah shouldn't be such a pain in the ass to navigate. This expansion could have definitely used one or two zones that felt really open and sprawling. I liked it all when you're doing the actual quests and you're ferried from one hub to another, but running around trying to do world quests can be really fucking maddening when you follow a road to your "destination" only to realize too late that it's at the top of a 300 foot cliff.
Grom is in Draenor, not the current time.
I'll agree that some of WoD's leveling zones were great. SMV, Talador, Spires, but definitely not Gorgrond.
Stormheim and Azsuna have both been fun, I feel, but Highmountain bored me (and was a pain to navigate. I still haven't gotten a few flightpoints because I can't for the life of me figure out how to reach them) and Val'sharah was just too druidic for my tastes, which is probably why I like Aszuna the most. It had a good variety overall.
Stormheim and Azsuna have both been fun, I feel, but Highmountain bored me (and was a pain to navigate. I still haven't gotten a few flightpoints because I can't for the life of me figure out how to reach them) and Val'sharah was just too druidic for my tastes, which is probably why I like Aszuna the most. It had a good variety overall.
I fucking hated WoD's zones outside of Frostfire/SMV. I was even disappointed with Nagrand. Everytime an alt got to Gorgrond...
In Legion, Stormheim is the only zone I haven't done multiple times yet but Aszuna and Val'Sharah are so quick and simple that I can't ever see myself dreading any tedium there in future. Highmountain is a bit naff though.
In Legion, Stormheim is the only zone I haven't done multiple times yet but Aszuna and Val'Sharah are so quick and simple that I can't ever see myself dreading any tedium there in future. Highmountain is a bit naff though.
So this thing plus target scan enemy hold feature that changes the way you target enemies if you use it (it works similar to Guild Wars 2's action cam)
I can now do this sweetness
In this GIF I am using mouse look to target each enemy without holding anything down (I just right click to select target) and Left Click is Zeal, which is the closest thing to an auto attack hit on my bar.
Yes that's Gul'Dan, the time traveling main villain and pawn of Burning Legion.
Grom has his people to lead in Draenor. Just like Yrel.
uh huh
and Akama leads the Broken in Outlands. And he's a DH follower. And Taran Zhu is a monk follower, and he's responsible for the safety of all of Pandaria.
Getting recruited or killed and ripped his soul out of
I dont know what to tell you, I think it's understandable they dont want to bring a bunch of currently-dead people back to present time from Draenor, with the exception of this version of Gul'Dan. It'd never end.
ThePackman
Member
Finally finished mounting made easy but I'm still 50 away from 800 lw, feels bad
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Cool, just failed the Withered Army scenario with 25 withered cleaning up the rest after clearing it and fell off something and the Withered didn't follow me. What an amazingly designed quest.
Hit 110 on my DK finally, but I keep feeling an itch to go back to my enhance shammy from MoP for some reason. Love playing unholy but I dunno, enhance looks really fun also.
I haven't done Azsuna yet, but Val'Sharjah, Highmountain and Stormheim have all been amazing. Highmountain is one of my favourite WoW zones ever.
I like some of WoD's zones a lot, but would agree that overall Legion's are much better.
I haven't done Azsuna yet, but Val'Sharjah, Highmountain and Stormheim have all been amazing. Highmountain is one of my favourite WoW zones ever.