Would you have killed him? [Ending spoilers for Seven]
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BossLackey
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Oh, most definitely
If he is killed, he wins. You do your best to mutilate him, but keep him alive so that he may suffer in every possible way for as long as his natural life permits.
How many bullets were in that gun? At such close range any notion of "shoot to kill" goes out the window. You can have your way with him. Shoot his knees, his elbows, maybe through the side of his mouth to remove his tongue. Rip off his eyelids, ears. Maybe shoot off his nose and penis. Put a bullet in his ass so he can't even sit comfortably. Make him into one of his own art installations but don't give him the benefit of death. That's true wrath.
How many bullets were in that gun? At such close range any notion of "shoot to kill" goes out the window. You can have your way with him. Shoot his knees, his elbows, maybe through the side of his mouth to remove his tongue. Rip off his eyelids, ears. Maybe shoot off his nose and penis. Put a bullet in his ass so he can't even sit comfortably. Make him into one of his own art installations but don't give him the benefit of death. That's true wrath.
FleckSplat
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Yeah, now you don't have to click to know that someone murders someone at the end of Seven.
I dunno, it's a tense riveting scene when watching it and at the time it's happening, you don't know whether he's going to kill him or not. You as the viewer are even conflicted as to whether or not to kill him because if you kill him, he wins, but letting him live after what he's done seems to be a shitty option.
John Dunbar
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well actually you just know that somebody makes a choice whether to kill someone or not.
but really, i don't really see why anyone should care if they accidentally spoil a 20 year old movie for someone. if they really cared, they would have had plenty of time to see it already.
NekoFever
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It's a movie about a serial killer.
NerdEyeBlind
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Short Answer: Yes.
Long Answer: HELL YES
Long Answer: HELL YES
When I first saw that scene I distinctly remember thinking shooting him was the easy way out for him. I wanted him so badly to shoot his knees out and get medieval on him, if I had my chance I would make it slow and painful but realistically in that situation I'm pretty sure the kind of window with the cops coming he'd be dead pretty before they got there but I'd definitely want him to go through some pain first.
Really depends. I mean, I have never been in such severe mental anguish, and I'm a peaceful guy to a fault.
However, strictly theoretically speaking, if I ever was pushed over the limit...
If I couldn't think right, then it's obvious. Point gun at guy, squeeze trigger until magazine empty, get next magazine, repeat until out of magazines, probably start wailing on the carcass until I pass out or start puking my guts out.
If I still retained a shred of rational thought (unlikely), then I'd probably kill the other guy at the scene to remove any obstacles for what I was about to do and then attack the butcher with the intent to permanently disable. Aiming to completely obliterate the shoulder and hip joints while hopefully missing any arteries (unlikely, admittedly - but hey, movie setting, I can probably do it). I'd grab a stone to make sure all of his joints and limbs - and especially his hands and feet - would be irreparably damaged and permanently lost function. I would bash his jaw to pieces and blind/deafen him, even if I had to use my bare hands to do so. I'd probably even enjoy it more that way.
Death is the pussy way out. I would do my utmost to keep him alive and sane while dismantling as much of his body as possible, given resources at hands. I would rob him of his humanity, just like he did with me, only admittedly less skillfully.
Trapping his consciousness in his helpless agonised body and forcing him to subsist on the goodwill of others is the way to go when taking revenge. It's the worst kind of fate I could think of, personally. I'd want to prolong his suffering on this plane of existence for as long as possible.
However, strictly theoretically speaking, if I ever was pushed over the limit...
If I couldn't think right, then it's obvious. Point gun at guy, squeeze trigger until magazine empty, get next magazine, repeat until out of magazines, probably start wailing on the carcass until I pass out or start puking my guts out.
If I still retained a shred of rational thought (unlikely), then I'd probably kill the other guy at the scene to remove any obstacles for what I was about to do and then attack the butcher with the intent to permanently disable. Aiming to completely obliterate the shoulder and hip joints while hopefully missing any arteries (unlikely, admittedly - but hey, movie setting, I can probably do it). I'd grab a stone to make sure all of his joints and limbs - and especially his hands and feet - would be irreparably damaged and permanently lost function. I would bash his jaw to pieces and blind/deafen him, even if I had to use my bare hands to do so. I'd probably even enjoy it more that way.
Death is the pussy way out. I would do my utmost to keep him alive and sane while dismantling as much of his body as possible, given resources at hands. I would rob him of his humanity, just like he did with me, only admittedly less skillfully.
Trapping his consciousness in his helpless agonised body and forcing him to subsist on the goodwill of others is the way to go when taking revenge. It's the worst kind of fate I could think of, personally. I'd want to prolong his suffering on this plane of existence for as long as possible.
I'd probably commit suicide soon afterwards anyway. There is just no way I could stand myself after the double combo of doing such a thing and losing the light of my life.
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If you think about it further, torture wouldn't change a thing for you. You wouldn't feel any better no matter the insane torture you can come up with. In the end, he still played you and the result is irreversible. Might as well end his existence then and there.
FleckSplat
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I agree with this.
He's taken away something you can never get back, and you might never win in the sense of getting even or making him feel the same way you do (he has no empathy and can't feel the loss and anguish a normal human can), but you can trap him in a physical hell and extend his suffering for as long as possible. Killing him is merciful.
It is not about making yourself feel better. You never will. It is about making him feel as bad as possible, for as long as possible.
I wouldn't suggest torture on its own, anyway. I would mutilate him and have him subsist on as meager an existence as his health would allow. Every moment of his life from that point on would be an exercise in pain.
We are not talking logical action, or moral action, or lawful action. We are talking about how to make a man suffer for as long as his life allows.
Broder Salsa
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Meh all those people had it coming.
Brad Pitt's wife and unborn child had it coming? What?
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But they wouldn't let you. He would go to a prison/mental institution and one day, while eating your breakfast, you would see his face in the news again, because he wrote a book about his actions/life like some sort of Charles Manson superstar. And it hits you like a brick.
I wouldn't want to find myself in a situation like that, the best way of avoiding this is to end it right there.
Nominated for a single Oscar != a cultural symbol, and it's great that it's sold a lot, but that's not at all a good representation of popularity or cultural preeminence in this particular scenario. That same site claims Citizen Kane has only $1 million in lifetime gross, when it is undeniably a vastly more popular movie. Meanwhile, Jackass Presents: Bad Grandpa sits just above Seven at $102,003,019. Is it more of a cultural landmark? Seven hasn't even come close to approaching the popularity and sheer ubiquity in American culture as Star Wars or Citizen Kane, and in my opinion that's the only time blatant spoilers are okay: when you can actually assume the random person on the street will know who Luke's father is. The same cannot be said of Seven, not even close.
At any rate, the thread title was changed so the discussion is moot.
andthebeatgoeson
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The title is still a spoiler. Once you start watching it, you assume someone will have to die. You can't get around it easily. Talking about that portion of the movie will eventually spoil it. There are three main characters. The final scene announces itself in a big way. Hell, the movie pretty much nudges you on the shoulder to pay attention.
It's a serial killer movie, you know people will die. The title is fine now.
Seven always rubbed me the wrong way, the killer was so very lucky everything fell into place for him, yet the movie likes to portray him as some "master genius", he wasn't, he got lucky. To the last death.
Also, god freaking damn this movie is old, and so are you and me D: it really hits you when you rewatch it and many plot points would be absolutely nullified with cellphones and the internet.
dreamcastfan
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I think Brad Pitt did an incredible job with his reaction at the end of the movie.. Not sure what people are talking about when they say it's "off"...
Beermeister
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1. Tread title spoils the ending.
2. I would have beaten him to death with my bare hands.
He'd be dead, not like he is going to gloat about 'winning'.
And anyway if you did as you describe, that is still wrath so he still wins
Liquidsnake
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Yes.
Justice is justice. I would have been scared that the justice system would not have found him capable of standing trial or something.
Justice is justice. I would have been scared that the justice system would not have found him capable of standing trial or something.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Nope, in this context, and the lead up to the climax, you would know what this was about.
I would not have killed him. No rape for me. I'm sorry prisoners that we make fun of a terrible crime that happens in prisons day in and day out.
I don't know if you've been reading this thread but no, everyone didn't know what happens until the terrible thread title. Luckily, I've already seen the movie but I probably would've been livid if I haven't.
To answer the question, in that emotional state, I probably would've shot him.
Amentallica
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Of course it's a richer experience if I knew nothing of it, but what I mean is that I am still surprised in the execution to still be able to capture my interest. I don't mind doing either one.
NullPointer
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"Would you have done it? [Se7en movie spoilers]" would have worked fine.
No use putting a spoiler warning after you've bloody spoiled it already.
To answer the question, my guess is hell yes I would.
No use putting a spoiler warning after you've bloody spoiled it already.
To answer the question, my guess is hell yes I would.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
I would of shot him in his dick..... Maybe his arms and legs a few time to try to cripple him as well.
They wouldn't "let" you kill him, either. It doesn't matter what you are allowed to do, only what you do. I'm not saying lock him up in a prison of your own design or watch over him from then on and ensure his suffering. I'm saying try to fuck him up as precisely as possible so his future existence, wherever and however far he goes, is only pain.
Wrath wins either way, but one of those ways elevates the level of the killer's suffering, which is the goal.
Megadragon15
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Leo died in the Atlantic Ocean because that is where Titanic sank.
They shouldnt have killed him, such a lack of forward thinking, they could have had him fester for years in prison, then he escapes, and implements his new plan for seven new sins that he believes must be punished. It could have been like the Saw series. It will be called Seven 2 and will be in no way confusing.
I have another better question could you kill the women with the dildo? I couldnt, he would have to kill me then do it himself.
I have another better question could you kill the women with the dildo? I couldnt, he would have to kill me then do it himself.
Dice//
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Yup. I hate her.
Pegosaurus
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If I had mental clarity
No, I wouldn't kill him. I think the best revenge would be for him to suffer in prison, knowing that everything he worked towards would never come to fruition
No, I wouldn't kill him. I think the best revenge would be for him to suffer in prison, knowing that everything he worked towards would never come to fruition
speculawyer
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I dunno. I wouldn't know unless put in that position.
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