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You really look stupid when you use an apostrophe and you don't even use it correctly.Yossarian said:
Who worried a little bit? The dolls are your parents? Gosh, you really look stupid when you use pronouns inappropriately!
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Would you let your son play with dolls?
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Who worried a little bit? The dolls are your parents? Gosh, you really look stupid when you use pronouns inappropriately!
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WTF.
Powerpuff Girls is not for girls. It's not really for kids for that matter, per se. The creator, Craig McKracken, basically made it for himself; it contains his humor, and there are many, many, subtle things in the show that you couldn't possibly understand if you are young.
Powerpuff Girls is not for girls. It's not really for kids for that matter, per se. The creator, Craig McKracken, basically made it for himself; it contains his humor, and there are many, many, subtle things in the show that you couldn't possibly understand if you are young.
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Ten-day-old, friend. Ten-day-old.
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ha, good thread, yeah, parents should just let kids grow into whatever, and I doubt liking particular colors/toys/dolls is going to have much effect anyway...
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Doesn't make a difference really. Worry more about he music and kind of tv they watch. I found that had a greater affect on me than dolls. I never played with common girl dolls and turned out gay. But I had my periods of liking Backstreet, Savage Garden and what not, and uh yeah.
My kid will play with anything he wants as long as it's not a sexually related object. I also find that actions figures are better for kids anyways as they're more fantasy compared to these dolls you see for girls. Last thing I want him to realize is perfect bodies are all that matters. (Haha, sorry farfetched but I wanted to add something extra.)
My kid will play with anything he wants as long as it's not a sexually related object. I also find that actions figures are better for kids anyways as they're more fantasy compared to these dolls you see for girls. Last thing I want him to realize is perfect bodies are all that matters. (Haha, sorry farfetched but I wanted to add something extra.)
Seriously, not being gay... I have seen guys kiss in public... but never holding hands.
The wife and I have been on number of trips outside of the US and have never seen a man holding another mans hand.
I used to work down by Wrigley Field and there is a huge gay community down there... never saw two guys walking down the street hand-in-hand... I think that is too gay for gay people!
The wife and I have been on number of trips outside of the US and have never seen a man holding another mans hand.
I used to work down by Wrigley Field and there is a huge gay community down there... never saw two guys walking down the street hand-in-hand... I think that is too gay for gay people!
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Jesus, I would definitely let my son play with whatever harmless toys he wants. I played with stuffed animals as a kid along with action figures and I turned out pretty straight. Somehow I don't think playing with toys is going to make him any different sexually. And the people saying that they just won't let him play with dolls for reasons in and of themselves seem to have some kind of machismo problem.
I was raised in a house full of women. I had a cousin (about 5 years older than me) and I would play with her girly toys some time (mostly using them as accessories and accents for my Gi Joes and He Man figures, though), and I didn't end up gay. I am pretty freaking eccentric, but not gay. I don't think you turn gay. It's in the genes.
I'd buy the kid the PowerPuff game. Hell, I like the PowerPuffs
I'd buy the kid the PowerPuff game. Hell, I like the PowerPuffs
I see a lot of suicidal offspring being produced from this thread. Its a frickin' doll. Gi Joes were dolls, Transformers were dolls, Ninja Turtles were dolls. How come a six inch poseable representation of a person is a doll if its 'meant' for girls and an action figure if its 'meant' for boys? Are guns Fluffy Bunny Projectile Tossers if given to a girl? Is a toy shopping cart a Grocery Utility Vehicle if given to a boy?
Kids learn stuff pretty quickly. I had a childhood friend figure out at the age of 7 that girls thought gay guys were non-threatening. He became the flamingest, most limp-wristed, lisping kid you ever saw......and screwed nine of the eleven girls on our block before graduating grade school, and got one more in high school. Whatever works, man, whatever works.
Kids learn stuff pretty quickly. I had a childhood friend figure out at the age of 7 that girls thought gay guys were non-threatening. He became the flamingest, most limp-wristed, lisping kid you ever saw......and screwed nine of the eleven girls on our block before graduating grade school, and got one more in high school. Whatever works, man, whatever works.
My parents faced this question a few years ago with my baby brother. For reasons that have not been explained even today, my brother asked my parents for some barbie dolls. My mom was totally distraught. My dad, on the other hand suggested that they just go with the flow.
So they got him a couple of dolls, and he played with them for awhile--mostly just pulling their clothes off and generally destroying them. He also did the same thing with some GI Joe dolls he got a bit later. I honestly think that the whole thing was completely devoid of sexual leanings--my brother was just wanted something different to play with. If I'm ever in the same position as my father was, I would probably do the same thing he did. He was pretty much dead on about the insignificance of the whole thing.
I feel sorry for that little boy that Teh Hamburgler mentioned. Nothing sucks more for a kind than having to settle for a toy you're absolutely not interested in.
So they got him a couple of dolls, and he played with them for awhile--mostly just pulling their clothes off and generally destroying them. He also did the same thing with some GI Joe dolls he got a bit later. I honestly think that the whole thing was completely devoid of sexual leanings--my brother was just wanted something different to play with. If I'm ever in the same position as my father was, I would probably do the same thing he did. He was pretty much dead on about the insignificance of the whole thing.
I feel sorry for that little boy that Teh Hamburgler mentioned. Nothing sucks more for a kind than having to settle for a toy you're absolutely not interested in.
Like some of the people in this thread, I'm not even sure why this has to be a question. I think the real question is, why not? What's wrong with that?
Even if someone had conclusively proved that playing with dolls causes young boys to be gay, that's suggesting that being gay is some kind of bad sickness someone can get, which is completely wrongheaded.
Even if someone had conclusively proved that playing with dolls causes young boys to be gay, that's suggesting that being gay is some kind of bad sickness someone can get, which is completely wrongheaded.
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Thats not what I saw. The kid rejects all the GI Joes and continues to play with his 2 Barbies. Flash Forward years later and the guy is waking up with 2 REAL Barbies in his bed, while his 3 roomates who we assumed played with GI Joes are all gay.
Here's a link. Click watch clip in quicktime under the picture. Low quality btw...
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Go find info on "As Nature Made Him" it is a book about a baby who's circumcision was botched so the parents got the doctor to remove all his equipment. The parents then tried to convince the boy he was really a girl for the next 18 or so years by buying him dolls and clothing him in dresses and even going the estrogen route. As hard as they tried none of it stuck at all...his brain was made up that he was a boy and would be interested in everything boys are interested in.
So go get that doll for the kid because it will likely have no effect on the outcome of the child. Worse that can happen is the kid gets an appreciation for fashion and becomes a designer resulting in coke and hookers for the rest of his life.
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So go get that doll for the kid because it will likely have no effect on the outcome of the child. Worse that can happen is the kid gets an appreciation for fashion and becomes a designer resulting in coke and hookers for the rest of his life.
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I'd let the kid play with whatever he wanted to play with: dolls or action figures. I had a phase where I loved Savage Garden. It was the first secular CD I ever owned. But it passed. Sort of like playing with dolls will pass.
I don't think I'd worry too much about it, though. Young boys are easily influenced by their friends, and usually end up choosing the TMNT over the Barbie. Myself, I never got into dolls/action figures. I played videogames
I don't think I'd worry too much about it, though. Young boys are easily influenced by their friends, and usually end up choosing the TMNT over the Barbie. Myself, I never got into dolls/action figures. I played videogames
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This is what I was going to say. Power Puff Girls has female characters instead of males; I don't see how this is a negative thing. It's awfully sexist to not allow a child to play with action figures (or dolls) just because they're from a TV show with female characters.
And hell, even if your kid did want to simply play with Barbies, I don't think it's going to turn him gay. That's like saying, "My kid is not going to eat hot dogs because they're phallic-shaped and I don't want him to turn gay!" It's just stupid.
Grrr.this is major sore subject with me. I waited ages for She-ra after seeing the Secret of Sword only to be lead to "girl aisle" by toyrus clerk after months of inquiring when she was coming out. My mom flatly said no. Both my parents had to give me talk about it as I watched this awesome she-ra cartoon along with he-man and was told I could not collect She-ra, Cat-ra, etc because they were for girls, yet she-ra villains the Horde was okay. Total complete mess that I never forgave my parents or Mattel for.
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My cousin used to love playing with toy ironing boards, cookers and hoovers, but he still grew up into a beer n titties redneck.
Powerpuff Girls rule, and I want some PPG PJ's
Powerpuff Girls rule, and I want some PPG PJ's
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Ha! I liked She-Ra, but for some reason I only got The Horde figures. The leader, and whatever those mechanical soldiers were called.
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I would let him have the dolls, then watch really closely the manner in which he plays with the dolls. If he was actually playing dressups etc, I would then start taking him manly places, like hunting, and to steel mills.
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Teh Hamburglar said:
Thing is, though, would there be such a thing as gender confusion if noone enforced the rules and roles? If you don't treat the kid weird for the choice, neither will they. Unless some asses at school or something are too indoctrinated in the standard ways and make an issue out of it.
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BojTrek said:
I did a quick google search and the Meditteranean area and Indonesia are among the areas where you will see this.
Whatever happened to IMAGINATION. I didn't need complicated toys when I was little. Most everything I played with was mainly just a physical placeholder for something far more interesting and grander in my mind anyway. It may be a simple doll to you, but what the kid does with it in his mind is far more important. Shit, I just might prefer any children I ever have to play with simpler toys than complex and 'interesting' toys that replace imagination and creativity by doing more things on their own.etiolate said:
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My son could watch Lifetime.aoi tsuki said:
Interesting topic.
Also, trying to affect the outcome of your child's sexuality ain't gonna work anyway. Just accept homosexuality, as it's as natural as heterosexuality. You were just told not to accept it.
The WHOLE mindset of make-up, dressup, dresses, beauty, etc. being for girls is fabricated. It's a fictional story you have read to you daily, if you will. But you and many people around you play it out daily.
The Powerpuff Girls show is a pretty good one in my opinion, and I don't think it's because I'm gay. I think it's because I like animation and decided for myself what was acceptable and entertaining in spite of what I was taught. That's an ability I have that I'm proud of. People with mindsets like yours only give children problems, not answers, if you strictly enforce your views. If a child wants to express himself in some way that is logically acceptable, it could mentally harm him if his parents suppress it, and it's likely impossible to stop that expression anyway.
Logically, a boy might think Barbie is pretty and want to dress her in different pretty clothes. It might be good for him to play with one, whether it lets him express his sexuality or just creativity, and it probably isn't a very cultural choice. I'm not saying he would turn gay otherwise (I think sexuality is decided in the womb), just that's it's good for him. I think all it teaches him is how to express himself, not how to act towards human forms of that gender. It's a doll... about as related to real life as action figures.
Now the apprehension a lot of people in this thread have that other people will pick on your child if you don't make them follow culture-made rules only prolongs the myths that surround sexuality. Is a myth really bigger and better than you and your child? By ignoring it, you're telling your own, logical story to people every day. It may be disputed, but it will nonetheless become part of the cultural story. I think once you learn something logical, you can't really unlearn it. Therefore, it's a worthwhile effort to encourage your child's preferred form of expression.
WTF, you and your culture has to teach a child that for it to be 'normal' to them. All you're doing is continuing what you were taught regardless of logic. Since you obviously would want to influence the sexuality of your child, I want you to know that I'm gay and I never played with 'girl toys.' I also loved the toys I had: action figures, legos, videogames, whatever. Better keep your son away from that stuff. You would not think I'm gay because you equate that with feminity (another cultural 'normal' itself), and I'm not culturally feminine.SKluck said:
Also, trying to affect the outcome of your child's sexuality ain't gonna work anyway. Just accept homosexuality, as it's as natural as heterosexuality. You were just told not to accept it.
The WHOLE mindset of make-up, dressup, dresses, beauty, etc. being for girls is fabricated. It's a fictional story you have read to you daily, if you will. But you and many people around you play it out daily.
The Powerpuff Girls show is a pretty good one in my opinion, and I don't think it's because I'm gay. I think it's because I like animation and decided for myself what was acceptable and entertaining in spite of what I was taught. That's an ability I have that I'm proud of. People with mindsets like yours only give children problems, not answers, if you strictly enforce your views. If a child wants to express himself in some way that is logically acceptable, it could mentally harm him if his parents suppress it, and it's likely impossible to stop that expression anyway.
Logically, a boy might think Barbie is pretty and want to dress her in different pretty clothes. It might be good for him to play with one, whether it lets him express his sexuality or just creativity, and it probably isn't a very cultural choice. I'm not saying he would turn gay otherwise (I think sexuality is decided in the womb), just that's it's good for him. I think all it teaches him is how to express himself, not how to act towards human forms of that gender. It's a doll... about as related to real life as action figures.
Now the apprehension a lot of people in this thread have that other people will pick on your child if you don't make them follow culture-made rules only prolongs the myths that surround sexuality. Is a myth really bigger and better than you and your child? By ignoring it, you're telling your own, logical story to people every day. It may be disputed, but it will nonetheless become part of the cultural story. I think once you learn something logical, you can't really unlearn it. Therefore, it's a worthwhile effort to encourage your child's preferred form of expression.
Yes absolutely fine. No problems with it. I think the important thing is if it is his choice. I wouldn't force dolls on a boy any more than I would force pink dresses or a pet snake on a little girl. Just go along with their interests and encourage them to explore themselves.
Screw societies expectations and gender guidelines.
Screw societies expectations and gender guidelines.
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