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WSJ/NBC Poll: Obama admin less competent than post-Katrina Bush admin
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Im just saying im a fan.
Nobody will care. Critics only ever move on to the next thing to complain about, and everyone will forget what their previous positions were anyway. The national attention span is only good for about a few weeks. I mean hell, the GOP single-handedly shut down the government and nearly defaulted on the national debt purely out of spite just six months ago and but hey forget about that because the IRS lost a bunch of emails.
shadowsdarknes
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You both are right.
Bill Maher put it well. Hes far from perfect and far from what progressives want. Hes not King Obama. If he was, we would have seen effectively gun legislation, climate legislation, and economic legislation.
rudieboy77
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I think people are just tired of politics. I find Obama to be lacking, but he is stuck with a dysfunctional Congress. But to say what OPs headline says is bullshit. There is no way Obama is as incompetent as Bush.
Obama appointed the FCC's chairman, who is a former telecom lobbyist and is the driving force within the government for abolishing net neutrality.
TheLostBigBoss
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I don't even know if McCain is serious about what he says. But if he is, it's fucking scary how that old fart thinks putting troops in every single situation is a viable solution.
Thank god he's not president.
Feel free to not act like a child and actually respond with an argument.
As a gay American, I feel MUCH MUCH MUCH better off now than I would have under a McCain/Romney presidency.
It took him a while to get going, but Obama finally came around and get with the times when it came to LGBT individuals, and the fact that we pretty much are entitled to the same rights as straight people and the same protections.
It took him a while to get going, but Obama finally came around and get with the times when it came to LGBT individuals, and the fact that we pretty much are entitled to the same rights as straight people and the same protections.
These polls always go bad midway thru the second term and former presidents' numbers always go up once they are out of the White House. That's just how politics work. Rose tinted glasses for the past and scorn for the present.
The only silly thing is the media act like this is all happening for the first time instead of explaining that this happens every single time.
The only silly thing is the media act like this is all happening for the first time instead of explaining that this happens every single time.
Hands off my write-in box
benjipwns
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Define "productive."
Maninthemirror
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the issue is about creating a perception.
All Obama had to do is make a more realistic impression and a perception that he is really struggling to get congress to work apart from speeches, going into congress on a weekly and daily basis, action rather than words regardless if they were going to be for nothing but a perception and impression is more important that way but just like immigration, gun controls and NSA, it was just speeches and not much action beyond that. Anything. taking a walk to congress for getting nothing would have worked
All Obama had to do is make a more realistic impression and a perception that he is really struggling to get congress to work apart from speeches, going into congress on a weekly and daily basis, action rather than words regardless if they were going to be for nothing but a perception and impression is more important that way but just like immigration, gun controls and NSA, it was just speeches and not much action beyond that. Anything. taking a walk to congress for getting nothing would have worked
kittenbreath
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Define it however you like, and it will still be true.
[Yes, President Obama is right. The 113th Congress will be the least productive in history.
Maninthemirror
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Obama chose a known cable and telecom lobbyist with a historic friendly nature towards the telecom companies. How would it possibly be any different .
benjipwns
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What if I define it as fewest laws passed?
Vermillion
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Whatever we would have done with them if we had no one captured.
Taking action is difficult when your every action is blocked full stop by Republicans only because you're a Democrat named Barack Obama. And he can't blame Congress endlessly in public for the complete lack of momentum on basically every right, because as true as it is, it rubs a lot of people the wrong way and starts making them think that he's only looking to place blame elsewhere. Obama inherited two fucked-sideways wars and the worst economy in nearly a century, but how many times have we heard people dismiss those facts with something like, "Oh it's always Bush's fault, when is Obama going to take some responsibility"?
benjipwns
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He didn't have to apply for the job.
Vincent Alexander
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History will always remember Bush as an awful president. I don't think history 10 years from now will see Obama the same.
TheLostBigBoss
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...That would be releasing the vast majority of them.
I mean, has nobody ever heard of a prisoner swap before?
The Librarian
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lol
A little lesson for you, look at the averages: http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/obama-job-approval
One poll doesn't mean anything. You were saying?
benjipwns
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We could have gotten some draft picks at least.
zero shift
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If Obama is so good than why am I still not rich? So he's going to raise taxes and make me poorer? No thanks. Also Russia.
Vermillion
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Interesting. What's our history of treatment for POWs in the "War on Terror" so far?
(Oh, and we don't have any of ours captured now - do we not still have POWs?)
I think you're missing the issue that people have with it. Again: 1 to 5, deserter, and the five were evidently pretty dangerous. The people don't think it was worth the cost.
UnforgivenTwin
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Yeah, I think he is finished. Now the country waits for hillary to be elected because we all know that the right is probably going to run all extremists again lol. I saw yesterday that Rick Perry is getting ready to run again. Let's hope he can remember his policied this time around haha!
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The Bergdahl controversy is so shameful.
Byakuya769
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We feign care about our Veterans so the VA thing is a big deal. We make no steps to even pretend we care that much about poor black people.
Simple as that.
Simple as that.
TheLostBigBoss
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Well, if your in GITMO between 2002 and 2006 you were probably part of a shit ton of "Enhanced interrogation", AKA Torture. But because it's not US soil and Bush didn't define them as actual POW's but the nice buzzword "Enemy combatants" we basically did what ever we wanted with them.
We have released plenty of people who turned out completely innocent, and the vast majorty could never actually be tried in a US courtroom because of that pesky thing called "Rights".
As far as I can recall, Bergdahl was the last POW in Afghanistan for the US.
No, I'm not missing the issue. You don't need an even trade. He was an AMERICAN, you don't just fucking leave a guy to death because of the suspicion of desertion. We have military tribunals and investigations to determine that, you don't seal a guys fate without due process.
Like I said, we're trying to broker a peace deal with the Taliban and we can't put these prisoners on trial and we can't hold them forever. They are going to get released.
Honestly, I think Obama made his most important mistakes in his first campaign. Using phrases like 'spread the wealth around' and the infamous 'God and guns' comment worked well in stirring his own supporters, but also started the sparks that turned into the tea party. Which in turn caused the Republicans to pander to them, rather than let the party fracture allowing the Democrats run rampant.
So what he ended up with was a Republican party pandering to the extreme right instead of the moderate right, which got everybody fucking nowhere. Which is why I really think we need a revamp of the electoral system, and a third party that's more towards an actual center of the two big parties.
To be fair, I really think he came into the white house thinking he would make huge changes for the better. And I honestly could sense that he wanted to change things for the better. But the fires he accidently stirred up stifled him, turning him into a lame duck in the end. You can tell his time in the white house aged him heavily with the stress. At this point, I really think he has given up. He knows the odds of accomplishing anything from now till 2016 is slim, so he is just coasting and hoping for no major disasters to finish sinking his ship.
So what he ended up with was a Republican party pandering to the extreme right instead of the moderate right, which got everybody fucking nowhere. Which is why I really think we need a revamp of the electoral system, and a third party that's more towards an actual center of the two big parties.
To be fair, I really think he came into the white house thinking he would make huge changes for the better. And I honestly could sense that he wanted to change things for the better. But the fires he accidently stirred up stifled him, turning him into a lame duck in the end. You can tell his time in the white house aged him heavily with the stress. At this point, I really think he has given up. He knows the odds of accomplishing anything from now till 2016 is slim, so he is just coasting and hoping for no major disasters to finish sinking his ship.
You can't be serious. I'm not even asking I'm telling you you can't be serious.
JesseEwiak
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Republican's always discover the deficit the moment a Democrat gets into office. There was always going to be a right-wing backlash to Obama, especially, since ya' know, he's black.
The DNC is already in the center. The GOP is already on the right. We actually need a party of the left. Well, not really, since we're a FPTP system.
benjipwns
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Depends on how you define left and right.
Vermillion
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So we wouldn't have let them go, and we have more POWs.
Five dangerous prisoners for a guy who deserted. People do not care that he was an American, and that's because he left. Multiple (non-deserting) soldiers died in rescue efforts. My guess is that if he hadn't had that on his record, people may have welcomed him back like any other soldier. But that fact makes the trade remarkably skewed in the Taliban's favor.
That's what the public sees.
The Librarian
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That's a really dumb way to define it.
Who are the prisoners dangerous to? People are idiots, who wanted him home the whole time, even when the information about Bergdahl was freely available. The only reason anyone is against the transfer is purely partisan.
benjipwns
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Most laws repealed would be the better way but this is the real world.
You must also think whoever makes Supreme Court appointments doesn't matter.
There isn't actually any data that anyone died as a result of a search for Bergadahl, and the Pentagon is just now reviewing the assertion that people died searching for him.
http://www.latimes.com/world/afghanistan-pakistan/la-fg-bergdahl-accusations-deaths-20140604-story.html
The Librarian
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Uh huh. Right.
Calm down, Boehner.
EDIT: Also, no laws were successfully repealed in the 113th Congress?
benjipwns
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Pages eliminated from the Federal Register? Yeah, you're right, that might be an even better one.
Vermillion
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I speak solely of their records. Furthermore, I imagine that people would have wanted him home (though I'm not sure that these people were aware of what he did... links?), but not in a trade that appeared so lopsided in the favor of the Taliban.
Oh, and I disagree that the disapproval is partisan. But neither of us have any proof for that, so.
TheLostBigBoss
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I don't know what you're saying here, can you elaborate?
And I'm saying the public who sees that getting the last POW back from a war that is about to end is a BAD thing are completely misguided and probably being fed the same old republican bullshit.
Also, there is no current evidence that anyone actually died looking for him, and the Pentagon is doing an investigation, so we will see about that.
If people are so quick to judge and sentence a man to death over the suspicion of desertion, then that's their own sick problem. Probably the same people who still think the death penalty is just.
Then you have a very elementary understanding of politics.
Defining success or failure based on numbers is pretty shortsighted even if you are a hardcore libertarian.
Cow Mengde
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What's all this outrage over bringing a POW back? Seriously?
TheLostBigBoss
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Because Obama traded some guys who were most likely going to be released a couple of years from now to a guy who might have deserted.
The horror.
Vermillion
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Oh, now that is interesting. Thank you.
I was just responding to your point that we would have likely released them anyways.
And I think you're making a mistake in the comparison to the death penalty. One is active, the other is passive. The biggest deal is that the trade seems so lopsided. Again - I imagine that had we rescued him without such a trade (and possibly people without people dying [in review]), I don't believe that this would have been an issue at all.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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I'm 100% sure more than a few of them watch Fox News.
These people must have absolutely batshit stupid logic and poor memory, b/c Bush and his friends screwed/stole their money and got 3,000+ of their friends and family killed, never mind sweeping Katrina under the rug.
Next to Nixon, the Bush Admin is the worst of the 20th/21st century so far, bar none. Hell, Bush might actually be worst.
These people must have absolutely batshit stupid logic and poor memory, b/c Bush and his friends screwed/stole their money and got 3,000+ of their friends and family killed, never mind sweeping Katrina under the rug.
Next to Nixon, the Bush Admin is the worst of the 20th/21st century so far, bar none. Hell, Bush might actually be worst.
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