Reptars Revenge
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Lol it’s gonna be like the movie source code all over again
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Jethalal
Banned
My thoughts from a different post:
"Bro I loved it a lot. Easily the best DCEU Flick and 2nd overall after The Dark knight. This is my favourite female centric movie ever because the heroine is a very strong lead. Women are forced to portray 2 kinds of roles unfortunately either an eye candy or on the other extreme end, they are forced to become a symbol for woman empowerment. The movie does it best, her being a woman isn't her biggest differentiating factor from other male heroes, she is equivalent to male counterparts and has no need to prove it.
Positives: great acting by Chris pine and pedro pascal, great lead, unique villain, fun to watch, great emotional moments, great hype moments too.
Negatives: wonky cgi, cheetah looked horrible, they should've deleted 20 minutes from the 1st half to improve the pacing, wonder woman looks weird while running.
This was basically if Bruce almighty was a supervillain and I loved this movie. Would've given 9.5 but the bad pacing in first half drags it down to a 9."
I'll turn those 9.5 and 9 to 8.5 and 8 otherwise my thoughts haven't changed.
I believe you all should keep in mind, the stone was basically making the characters make bad decisions, just like Mind stone from Avengers., that explanation rationalized a lot of the decisions in the movie.
"Bro I loved it a lot. Easily the best DCEU Flick and 2nd overall after The Dark knight. This is my favourite female centric movie ever because the heroine is a very strong lead. Women are forced to portray 2 kinds of roles unfortunately either an eye candy or on the other extreme end, they are forced to become a symbol for woman empowerment. The movie does it best, her being a woman isn't her biggest differentiating factor from other male heroes, she is equivalent to male counterparts and has no need to prove it.
Positives: great acting by Chris pine and pedro pascal, great lead, unique villain, fun to watch, great emotional moments, great hype moments too.
Negatives: wonky cgi, cheetah looked horrible, they should've deleted 20 minutes from the 1st half to improve the pacing, wonder woman looks weird while running.
This was basically if Bruce almighty was a supervillain and I loved this movie. Would've given 9.5 but the bad pacing in first half drags it down to a 9."
I'll turn those 9.5 and 9 to 8.5 and 8 otherwise my thoughts haven't changed.
I believe you all should keep in mind, the stone was basically making the characters make bad decisions, just like Mind stone from Avengers., that explanation rationalized a lot of the decisions in the movie.
Jethalal
Banned
I don't get the Trump comparison. If his backstory was a rich brat who lost his father's money then I could totally see it but I liked Maxwell Lord's backstory, though I felt things were a bit over the top.
ManofOne
Plus Member
They didn't even need him, they could have done a whole seperate line with Cheetah and what the hell was up with the cheetah CGI, even black panther had better lighting and transition effects. It looks awkward.
Jethalal
Banned
Agree with the CGI, that was one of my complaints I mentioned in the earlier post. Though I hate furry shit a lot so I might be biased against it.
I'd rather if they somehow removed Cheetah, we've had so many purely strength based villains with similar powerset as the hero but I thought Maxwell Lord was a breath of fresh air. Cheetah is useless, her only major role IMO is being the fighting gal in the 3rd act.
ManofOne
Plus Member
I think they could have had either Cheetah or ML, having both just lengthened a useless storyline that felt convoluted. They should have stuck with one villain and developed the character from there, I understood the motivations of both but it just becomes a drag. Personally felt cheetah was the weaker character of the bunch.
The limitations of the
dreamstone is just mind numbingly stupid
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Later Alligator
Member
This movie is absolutely shit. Made it 20 mins in and had to shut it off. Watching Soul in Disney+ now
Jethalal
Banned
Yeah that's why I wished they remove Cheetah. Maybe they wanted her to be setup for a future movie, maybe as a part of Legion of Doom ( a DC Supervillain team),
I wish the stone stuff was clarified too.
Trump? The election is over now. No one made that weird connection but you, I wonder why?
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Jethalal
Banned
Except Asteria reveal, was there any other. I had a late night showing so couldn't bother staying till the very end.
Bolivar687
Banned
It's a pretty movie with a classic story concept and just overall very weird.
I liked it.
I liked it.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
I really, really liked Wonder Woman. The only thing I disliked about it was apparently something forced upon Jenkins (the final battle with Ares).
However, this movie? This movie was... a mess. I enjoyed the characters still, but I didn't particularly enjoy (I wanted to put emphasis on this, so major spoilers)...
SPOILER ---> How they brought Steve Trevor back. I think I'd be okay if he was actually his own body or something, but I find it incredibly jarring that the heroes (Diana and Steve) are seemingly okay with borrowing someone else's body for this wish that they at first intend on being permanent at least. That's... a little strange and out of character.
Also, the concept behind the wishes was nonsensical. I wish there was a little more restrictive rules behind what was taken. It just seemed like it could be anything, but I wish it was more related to making the wish not as fulfilling - it already seemed like a pretty bad thing that Steve was brought back in someone else's body. That seemed like a pretty good give and take and then dealing with that idea.
The only other thing... I wish that the solution was killing Maxwell Lord (something Diana would clearly be struggling with, even after this movie is done), thus reverting all wishes made by him or through him with the only people having to revert wishes back would be Diana and Barbara. Then just have Barbara refuse, maybe a secret wish that was made by someone else that causes some hijinx for the universe later (could be an end reveal), and then Diana rescinds her wish because Steve and her just can't sacrifice someone else to have Steve live.
However, this movie? This movie was... a mess. I enjoyed the characters still, but I didn't particularly enjoy (I wanted to put emphasis on this, so major spoilers)...
SPOILER ---> How they brought Steve Trevor back. I think I'd be okay if he was actually his own body or something, but I find it incredibly jarring that the heroes (Diana and Steve) are seemingly okay with borrowing someone else's body for this wish that they at first intend on being permanent at least. That's... a little strange and out of character.
Also, the concept behind the wishes was nonsensical. I wish there was a little more restrictive rules behind what was taken. It just seemed like it could be anything, but I wish it was more related to making the wish not as fulfilling - it already seemed like a pretty bad thing that Steve was brought back in someone else's body. That seemed like a pretty good give and take and then dealing with that idea.
The only other thing... I wish that the solution was killing Maxwell Lord (something Diana would clearly be struggling with, even after this movie is done), thus reverting all wishes made by him or through him with the only people having to revert wishes back would be Diana and Barbara. Then just have Barbara refuse, maybe a secret wish that was made by someone else that causes some hijinx for the universe later (could be an end reveal), and then Diana rescinds her wish because Steve and her just can't sacrifice someone else to have Steve live.
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Jethalal
Banned
I disliked the final battle of WW too but I don't think the actual one would have been better too. A reliable leaker retweeted this and it seems to be true:
About Steve, I believe that's an inherent mistake with such body switching plots, I wish it could have been done better but at the same time fail to come up with a better idea.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Oh wow. That sounds awful too.I was hoping there would be no evidence of Ares - no Ares reveal. The realization that it appears Ares is not involved at all. That this was humanity's doing. Steve still needs to sacrifice himself though, to show that humanity is worth fighting for. But the idea that this threat Wonder Woman was so fearful of doesn't exist (at least in this instance, even though Ares is very much real in that world) would have been pretty thought provoking for what was supposed to be a typical super hero film.
I agree with your point on Steve, It just feels like there had to be a better way to re-introduce him than what they decided on going on. At least Diana didn't start dating Steve's "victim". That would have been *real* weird.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
I'll ellaborate later, beacause I just watched and maaan it is bad, sooo baad.
Big disappointment =/
Big disappointment =/
McHuj
Member
This movie started out ok, but just devolved into complete nonsense.
why would Regan wish for more nukes instead of complete and immediate victory over the USSR for example?
the wish concept was interesting but if it had been confined to a much smaller scale it could have been pulled off so much better. At at least without all the cheesyness.
the wish concept was interesting but if it had been confined to a much smaller scale it could have been pulled off so much better. At at least without all the cheesyness.
Jethalal
Banned
I do wish stone stuff was better.
For Reagan stuff, I actually believe the stone corrupts the people influenced by it and makes them cause more chaos.
I do think some usage of stone was iffy, e.g. Steve could have wished to stop Maxwell Lord when he had captured him and Cheetah was fighting Diana.
Personally, I don't bother with such stuff a lot. I didn't take a lot of offense to Martha stuff in BvS too.
Elpidio Valdés
Member
I just finished watching the movie! I liked it. It wasn't a masterpiece of modern cinema or anything like that but it kept me entertained.
Patty Jenkins has a knack for nailing heartfelt moments that just land for me. My favorite scene of the first movie was after they "save" the town, which includes Diana and Steve dancing. In this one my favorite scene was the fireworks while they were on the jet. Something about those scenes warm my cold heart.
Patty Jenkins has a knack for nailing heartfelt moments that just land for me. My favorite scene of the first movie was after they "save" the town, which includes Diana and Steve dancing. In this one my favorite scene was the fireworks while they were on the jet. Something about those scenes warm my cold heart.
HeadsUp7Up
Member
So yeah this one is definitely below the first. Not sure how they managed to screw it up but they did.
See, I forgot that scene because the movie had terrible pacing. There was way too much talking, my entire family started dispersing from the living room cause it lost everyone’s attention. If the movie kept balanced the lows with the highs then that scene would’ve been memorable. The one in the first movie gave me feels because as you said, she literally just saved the village i.e. the “high” action scene transitioning into the “low” dancing scene. Remember, this was supposed to be a big blockbuster action comic book movie, not some “comic book chick flick” as my wife described it.
Jethalal
Banned
Opposite for me, I liked the 2nd half more, it got very wacky and a lot like Bruce Almighty.
Liu Kang filing his 1040
Banned
It was really bad.
Visually extremely bland. The story and acting was cornball in the worst way. Patty Jenkins sucks.
Visually extremely bland. The story and acting was cornball in the worst way. Patty Jenkins sucks.
RCU005
Member
Very bad movie for me. It was a movie set in the 80s but it also felt like it was done in the 80s. They quality effects looked outdated. When WW is in the sky it looked like superimposed, unlike Superman in Man of Steel when he is flying. What I hated most was that Gal Gadot has been so extremely good at portraying Wonder Woman and they butchered her in this movie.
Please bring back Zack Znyder, at least he had a consistent vision. I really hope the znydercut is good and becomes popular enough to make WB reconsider their plans. They have a great Wonder Woman, great Aquaman, great Superman, and most likely great Batman with Robert Pattison. They just need to do a better job with The Flash and change very few things to Shazam. They should return to the original plan somehow.
I think the biggest problem is that the characters were created with the idea of being darker in tone. They don't work very well in colorful setting. Wonder Woman worked in World War 1 because we saw here being introduced in a darker setting. Aquaman was a great movie, but it was also a victim of this. They wanted to make it funnier, but didn't work (although it was to a much lesser extent than Wonder Woman 1984).
WB cannot get rid of these wonderful actors anymore, their characters are darker, so they should stick with it.
Please bring back Zack Znyder, at least he had a consistent vision. I really hope the znydercut is good and becomes popular enough to make WB reconsider their plans. They have a great Wonder Woman, great Aquaman, great Superman, and most likely great Batman with Robert Pattison. They just need to do a better job with The Flash and change very few things to Shazam. They should return to the original plan somehow.
I think the biggest problem is that the characters were created with the idea of being darker in tone. They don't work very well in colorful setting. Wonder Woman worked in World War 1 because we saw here being introduced in a darker setting. Aquaman was a great movie, but it was also a victim of this. They wanted to make it funnier, but didn't work (although it was to a much lesser extent than Wonder Woman 1984).
WB cannot get rid of these wonderful actors anymore, their characters are darker, so they should stick with it.
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bitbydeath
Gold Member
My biggest gripe with DC movies in general is how powers are handled.
In most of them you’ll have a scene where the hero gets beat but then in the final scene they win, not because of intensive training, not because they learned something but because it’s the final scene.
Does this movie do that?
In most of them you’ll have a scene where the hero gets beat but then in the final scene they win, not because of intensive training, not because they learned something but because it’s the final scene.
Does this movie do that?
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Patty Jenkins put that in there. She wanted some continuity or something...
Anyway... Someone asked about the end credits scene...
Linda Carter was the original live action Wonder Woman... Her show was destination TV for a lot of people... Her playing the character that Diana talked about with the armor is like a extra nugget in your box of chicken nuggets. I legit geeked out when I saw it! She looks so beautiful still!
I really REALLY liked it! It was different from the first and her turns in BvS and Josstice League. But it worked... It was a full on 80s movie ... And...
I loved watching her FLY! THISis like her origin to finally learning how to fly like she did at the end of the first movie
Jethalal
Banned
Let's just say her powers are part of the plot and I don't wanna spoil any further than that. I don't think this would be a major complaint if you decide to watch the movie, the power of the villain on the other hand might irk you.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Jethalal
Banned
This one's more lighthearted. I personally like that, so this was better than 1st for me and it was a fun movie in general.So this is even worse than the first one?!
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Shouta
Member
Enjoyable but not great, I'd say 6 or 7/10 whereas the first Wonder Woman was more 7-8 into 9 territory for me. It's still one of the better DC movie universe films though but that's a pretty low bar, lol.
I like a lot of the individual elements of the film like Diana/Steve, Lord, and even Barbara but as a whole, it doesn't really gel as a movie. It's really mundane up until shit starts happening and then it just kind of goes nuts. They really should have spent more time having the characters actually interacting with each other to progress the film. There's a lot of good interactions and other things that could have been explored if they actually attempted it. There's some really glaring hand-waves too. Fights decent but I kind of wish there was more in spots. Also, less CG running. That just looked awkward.
Still, there's a lot of stuff I liked in it, the cameo, a couple of the WW-related things they showed/explained in the movie, and the fact that the movie kind of is a transition movie to explain how she got to be involved in things eventually.
I like a lot of the individual elements of the film like Diana/Steve, Lord, and even Barbara but as a whole, it doesn't really gel as a movie. It's really mundane up until shit starts happening and then it just kind of goes nuts. They really should have spent more time having the characters actually interacting with each other to progress the film. There's a lot of good interactions and other things that could have been explored if they actually attempted it. There's some really glaring hand-waves too. Fights decent but I kind of wish there was more in spots. Also, less CG running. That just looked awkward.
Still, there's a lot of stuff I liked in it, the cameo, a couple of the WW-related things they showed/explained in the movie, and the fact that the movie kind of is a transition movie to explain how she got to be involved in things eventually.
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Jethalal
Banned
No she just lies and lies bro.
She even lied about Osborn being in Spider-Man: FFH and then she doubled down on it.
She even talked shit about Birds Of Prey, and when the director finally encountered her, she started fighting her about her movie and dragged others too.
She is backed by Snyder-fans as Zack once held an interview with her and then they attack others who talk about her.
She even talks shit about Marvel as they're her ex-Employer and they had sacked her IIRC or cancelled her project.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Not woke at all... At least not as far as I could see.
Bit_Reactor
Member
Man I can't believe how terribad that movie was. Like holy shit. Some of the effects looked baaaaaaaaad too.
I can't believe the entire premise of the movie is just "What if we deus ex machina'd every plot device in our film?"
I can't believe the entire premise of the movie is just "What if we deus ex machina'd every plot device in our film?"
TriSuit666
Banned
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
Why would he even put any effort into this trash of a film.
Just wait and see what he does for Dune.