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[Hex]

You want to remove the best Heel the WWE has right now ?

Irritation does not great heel make.
Rollins is 100 times the hell that Miz is.
Miz is lower midcard 4 life

 

[Lothars]

If it had to be Reigns or Bryan at Mania, I am glad it is Reigns.
Not that I will not be happy when it is someone else's time, but I am that tired of the Daniel Bryan story.
Ambrose, Rollins, fantastic I would have been all over it.
I think Reigns can still grow, he needs to find what works and what doesn't but the same people giving him input are the same ones putting Kane and Show all over the place thinking that it is compelling content.
He should be beast mode but spends much of his matches getting beat down and making odd faces.
He should be roaring and aggressive but they are trying to still make him some kind of smooth Rock wannabe.
They want him to be some kind of Frankenstein's Monster of different wrestlers and it is not helping anything.

So you want it to be someone not ready for the main event? in a year or twos time it maybe his time to go but right now it feels like he's being shoved down our throats.

Bryan can at least make great matches but reigns is all over the place and needs at least another year or more.

 

[Fox318]

You want to remove the best Heel the WWE has right now ?

Miz is a manager at best.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

It's happening...

 

[Hex]

So you want it to be someone not ready for the main event? in a year or twos time it maybe his time to go but right now it feels like he's being shoved down our throats.

Bryan can at least make great matches but reigns is all over the place and needs at least another year or more.

Brock matches are not catch as catch can.
It will be slug fest, Godzilla vs King Kong with Reigns getting ragdolled around for half of the match, coming back and hitting some stiff moves, getting rag dolled some more and doing some impressive power shit on Brock before getting tossed around yet again.
THIS match can work.
Rollins still has the MiTB case.

 

[Lothars]

Brock matches are not catch as catch can.
It will be slug fest, Godzilla vs King Kong with Reigns getting ragdolled around for half of the match, coming back and hitting some stiff moves, getting rag dolled some more and doing some impressive power shit on Brock before getting tossed around yet again.
THIS match can work.
Rollins still has the MiTB case.

If Rollins cashes in at the end than it will be worth it but right now I have no faith in WWE to make it work with Reigns and Brock Lesnar plus I think the sooner Brock is gone for good the better.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Lol, why would you admit something like this? You're patting yourself on the back for out smarking smarks.

You're taking this all way too serious.

These are literally the only times he shows up and comments, my impression is that most of wrestlegaf has learned to ignore it.

 

[Bluekaveli]

Clear pin missed. CONTROVERSY. Triple threat at Mania. 4 way when you add Axel.

Other than the Axel funny, I want it.

 

[pants]

plus I think the sooner Brock is gone for good the better.

Why on earth?

 

[The Elite]

Brock should stay champ simply because they haven't presented anyone who is worthy of getting a clean pin on him.

 

[Sephzilla]

Brock should stay champ simply because they haven't presented anyone who is worthy of getting a clean pin on him.

I completely agree. Bryan was the most worthy of it but they've obviously screwed the pooch on that one. Cena's had three attempts at it so he's done. I don't buy Roman as a threat to Brock at all as an in ring threat. The only downside of Brock retaining is that Rollins MITB contract will probably go to waste (I don't want the Age of Brock ended with MITB shenanigans)

 

[beane316]

It's a good thing Heyman is involved in that match because they're gonna need him HUGE. Hell, he had me interested when they had the sit down, snowed in interview last month.

 

[MC Safety]

Brock should stay champ simply because they haven't presented anyone who is worthy of getting a clean pin on him.

A part-time champion diminishes the title. The WWE championship is now an afterthought, defended only when the champ can be assed to show up.

If Lesnar wants to commit to wrestling and a semi-regular schedule, that's fine. If he's just going to defend the belt three times a year, send his ass back to UFC.

 

[Chamber]

A part-time champion diminishes the title. The WWE championship is now an afterthought, defended only when the champ can be assed to show up.

If Lesnar wants to commit to wrestling and a semi-regular schedule, that's fine. If he's just going to defend the belt three times a year, send his ass back to UFC.

Preach, friend.

 

[Sephzilla]

A part-time champion diminishes the title. The WWE championship is now an afterthought, defended only when the champ can be assed to show up.

If Lesnar wants to commit to wrestling and a semi-regular schedule, that's fine. If he's just going to defend the belt three times a year, send his ass back to UFC.

Honestly, I'm 100% okay with the WWE title no longer being defended at every PPV. It draws more attention to when he actually does defend the title, and when he's not there it allows other storylines to flourish a little bit and get some other main event matches once and a while. I'd certainly take part time champion Brock Lesnar over spotlight hogging full time champion John Cena.

 

[The Elite]

A part-time champion diminishes the title. The WWE championship is now an afterthought, defended only when the champ can be assed to show up.

If Lesnar wants to commit to wrestling and a semi-regular schedule, that's fine. If he's just going to defend the belt three times a year, send his ass back to UFC.

I understand your reasoning but I just don't want to see Brock's reign go to waste on someone who doesn't really deserve it in the end, like Roman Reigns.

There are good arguments on either side but I guess I'd rather keep Brock's rub, for whatever it's worth now, intact for now.

So if Rollins has the MITB by the time the next MITB PPV comes around, does he lose it?

What is the rule?

 

[Sephzilla]

I understand your reasoning but I just don't want to see Brock's reign go to waste on someone who doesn't really deserve it in the end, like Roman Reigns.

There are good arguments on either side but I guess I'd rather keep Brock's rub, for whatever it's worth now, intact for now.

So if Rollins has the MITB by the time the next MITB PPV comes around, does he lose it?

What's the rule?

The rule is he has until the next MITB show to cash in.

 

[Entropia]

A part-time champion diminishes the title. The WWE championship is now an afterthought, defended only when the champ can be assed to show up.

If Lesnar wants to commit to wrestling and a semi-regular schedule, that's fine. If he's just going to defend the belt three times a year, send his ass back to UFC.

I mostly agree with this. Lesnar needs to at least show up on RAW or Smackdown a bit more often. Him and Reigns have had very little interaction with each other. Rumbles winners usually have a good build up for their title challenge.

One thing I hate about wrestling is the way rules are played fast and loose. i.e. Champion needs to defend the belt every 30 days or else he gets stripped of it. Of course that's only called out when the angle/story calls for it to be.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Lesnar showing up less has made the title mean way more. Fastlanes and Raws aren't good enough shows for the champ.

It was weird that one show when he came out without the belt for a segment.

 

[Ban Puncher]

I watched about half of Fastlane but I couldn't take it any more so turned it off and read internet spoilers for the rest.

If it weren't for NXT I'd of dumped my network sub long ago.

 

[MC Safety]

Lesnar showing up less has made the title mean way more. Fastlanes and Raws aren't good enough shows for the champ.

It was weird that one show when he came out without the belt for a segment.

Now you're diminishing your product, too.

 

[The Elite]

Lesnar showing up less has made the title mean way more. Fastlanes and Raws aren't good enough shows for the champ.

It was weird that one show when he came out without the belt for a segment.

I agree.

Though I also think that a champion who doesn't defend at least once every couple of months can look weak. This hasn't happened with Brock. There aren't many wrestlers worthy of taking him on and with the help of Heyman he's become some sort of mythic beast.

 

[Zach]

Clear pin missed. CONTROVERSY. Triple threat at Mania. 4 way when you add Axel.

When this was going down I was thinking to myself "man, I wish there was a Jesse the Body on the commentary team to unabashedly call out stuff like this." I mean, stuff should really make sense. The lack of set rules really undermines the whole presentation, if you ask me.

 

[Sephzilla]

When this was going down I was thinking to myself "man, I wish there was a Jesse the Body on the commentary team to unabashedly call out stuff like this." I mean, stuff should really make sense. The lack of set rules really undermines the whole presentation, if you ask me.

One of the (many) reasons NXT is superior. They still try to maintain the suspension of disbelief about this being a sport and uphold rules.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

When this was going down I was thinking to myself "man, I wish there was a Jesse the Body on the commentary team to unabashedly call out stuff like this." I mean, stuff should really make sense. The lack of set rules really undermines the whole presentation, if you ask me.

God, yes. That sort of stuff makes the show so much better. I always imagine him or Heenan just losing it at the good guy cheating in situations like this.

 

[Cagey]

When this was going down I was thinking to myself "man, I wish there was a Jesse the Body on the commentary team to unabashedly call out stuff like this." I mean, stuff should really make sense. The lack of set rules really undermines the whole presentation, if you ask me.

We do need better announcers to cover Bryan's mistakes. I agree.

 

[TomShoe]

I watched about half of Fastlane but I couldn't take it any more so turned it off and read internet spoilers for the rest.

If it weren't for NXT I'd of dumped my network sub long ago.

Don't NXT shows come up on Hulu Plus the next day?

 

[MrGlass]

One thing that i learned from this thread is that there now seem to be hipster smarks.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Ziggler is this decade's Shelton Benjamin.

Great worker. Crowd fucking loves him. But Vince won't let him do anything.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Ziggler is this decade's Shelton Benjamin.

Great worker. Crowd fucking loves him. But Vince won't let him do anything.

They're all just action figures to him, and he only likes the ones he likes.

 

[Liquidsnake]

pfft, everyone knows the sign of the night was Stang

I don't understand this. And I am not a wrestling newb. What Does Stang reference?

 

[Son Of D]

Just finished watching it. Ehh... Also, I noticed this:

"No one's ever kicked out of Bryan's Running Knee!"

Didn't Orton kick out of it last year at Mania?

 

[GaimeGuy]

I don't understand this. And I am not a wrestling newb. What Does Stang reference?

Stinger

 

[Liquidsnake]

I watched about half of Fastlane but I couldn't take it any more so turned it off and read internet spoilers for the rest.

If it weren't for NXT I'd of dumped my network sub long ago.

Mee too. lol

 

[Liquidsnake]

Stinger

I know that man, but what is Stang referencing?

 

[Into]

Holy shit, Meltzer went nearly 20 min on Vince "his booking is the shits".

And he actually loved the main event match, but not the booking.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I know that man, but what is Stang referencing?

Nothing. It's just a way to say his name.

 

[Andrew Ryan]

I thought Cena/Rusev was great and enjoyed the main event. We all knew Bryan wasn't going to win, there was zero chance the WWE would forced to change the main even of WM two years in a row

Nothing. It's just a way to say his name.

wrong

I know that man, but what is Stang referencing?

It's an inside joke from another wrestling forum, Stang was the idea of a wrestler named Hardbody Harrison who had the idea of being Sting's nemesis, black Sting, names Stang

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/lol-...tings-nemesis-stang-wtf.197464/#post-12326718

 

[Dazzler]

what a terrible show

So many botches and audible calls from wrestlers

Cena may as well have been giving a promo he was so loud

 

[Hex]

So it is safe to say that tonight Reigns will probably be facing Big Show AND Kane right?
I would say Bryan rematch but it is time for Bryan to start getting shit on by the Authority again and he still needs a Mania set up.

 

[Guzim]

Just finished watching it. Ehh... Also, I noticed this:

"No one's ever kicked out of Bryan's Running Knee!"

Didn't Orton kick out of it last year at Mania?

Orton kicked out of it, but Batista was the one who was pinning Orton. So you know that doesn't count in wrestling!

 

[Professor Beef]

Ziggler is this decade's Shelton Benjamin.

Great worker. Crowd fucking loves him. But Vince won't let him do anything.

Wasn't Shelton also lazy?

 

[Penguin]

Was just thinking... Reigns is gonna have to carry the program with Lesnar via promos since Brock won't be around every week.

I mean has Heyman but assume Reigns will need to offer rebuttals

 

[El Topo]

Ziggler is this decade's Shelton Benjamin.

Great worker. Crowd fucking loves him. But Vince won't let him do anything.

His name is Dolph Ziggler. Dolph. Ziggler. I can't blame Vince.

 

[dream]

His name is Dolph Ziggler. Dolph. Ziggler. I can't blame Vince.

And have you SEEN him when his hair dries?

 

[kiguel182]

Was just thinking... Reigns is gonna have to carry the program with Lesnar via promos since Brock won't be around every week.

I mean has Heyman but assume Reigns will need to offer rebuttals

Heyman will speak for 20 minutes and Reigns will say something cool. It's how they did it with their first segment together.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

His name is Dolph Ziggler. Dolph. Ziggler. I can't blame Vince.

Hey, blame Vince and WWE creative for giving him that name. I mean Nick Nemeth isn't exactly the most marketable name either, but at least it doesn't immediately spark fits of laughter the first time you see/hear it.

 

[Jmanunknown]

So it is safe to say that tonight Reigns will probably be facing Big Show AND Kane right?

Who knows he'll probably squash Luke Harper or some other random heel.

I would say Bryan rematch but it is time for Bryan to start getting shit on by the Authority again and he still needs a Mania set up.

Yeah no Bryan is way down on the wrestlemania card so far in fact their is a chance he could not be in a match at wrestlemania.

 

[FyreWulff]

When this was going down I was thinking to myself "man, I wish there was a Jesse the Body on the commentary team to unabashedly call out stuff like this." I mean, stuff should really make sense. The lack of set rules really undermines the whole presentation, if you ask me.

actual heel announcers? get outta here

 

[El Topo]

Hey, blame Vince and WWE creative for giving him that name. I mean Nick Nemeth isn't exactly the most marketable name either, but at least it doesn't immediately spark fits of laughter the first time you see/hear it.

I'm not blaming him, I'm just saying that the name sucks. I honestly struggle to think of a worse wrestling name. Just for the sake of it I decided to go over a list of WCW/ECW alumni. Is "Chip Minton" really legitimately worse than "Dolph Ziggler"? Heck, he should try "Loch Ness" or "Rip Rogers".

Again, I'm sure he's a great guy, great wrestler, great worker, I'm not denying that, but the name sucks. Nick Nemeth? Honestly that's a significant improvement.