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WWE files suit against Jakks, THQ

http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuo...=mtfh58661_2004-10-19_19-45-40_wen7226_newsml

Tue Oct 19, 2004 03:45 PM ET
LOS ANGELES, Oct 19 (Reuters) - World Wrestling Entertainment on Tuesday said it had filed a lawsuit against Jakks Pacific Inc, video game maker THQ Inc. (THQI.O: Quote, Profile, Research) , two other firms and three individuals seeking an order voiding certain licenses and alleging a commercial bribery scheme.

With the lawsuit, which was filed in federal court in New York, WWE said it was seeking damages and a declaration voiding a video game license to a joint venture between Jakks and THQ and an amended toy license with Jakks.

The companies could not be immediately reached for comment.
 

WarPig

Member
Ho-lee shit.

I wonder if this has anything to do with the three-way beef between Yuke's, THQ, and Konami over Rumble Roses? Probably not, but losing the WWE license would be bad for THQ. Very, very bad.

DFS.
 

WarPig

Member
Mrbob said:
Explain please.

It all comes to me second- or third-hand, but supposedly THQ was unhappy about the potential use of some Smackdown game assets (animation, technology) in Rumble Roses. Nothing substantial came of it, though, I think in large part because Yuke's makes so much money for THQ that it wasn't worth alienating them.

DFS.
 

explodet

Member
There's also been talk about how THQ may lose the Nickelodeon licenses - their contract is expiring. Any truth to this?
 

evil ways

Member
I wonder what went wrong, WWE games for PS2 are top sellers and WWE toys, especially the recent Classic Superstars have been selling well.
 

LakeEarth

Member
Ninja Scooter said:
in other words: EA is gonna offer us a bajillion dollars for our license, please let us out of theis THQ contract.

Probable, and might actually be a good thing if Xbox and GC fans have anything to say about it.
 

evil ways

Member
Ninja Scooter said:
in other words: EA is gonna offer us a bajillion dollars for our license, please let us out of theis THQ contract.

EA = Def Jam = AKI
EA + WWE + AKI = WWE 2005?

Pretty please.
 

Memles

Member
They seem to be wanting to get rid of "Amendments" to the toy license...but they want the video game license terminated.

Go EA/Aki Go!
 

element

Member
while it would be a blow to THQ bottom line, i think THQ is trying to move away from the milking license and moving out to more original content. WWE has lost a lot in the last couple years.
 

Link316

Banned
evil ways said:
I wonder what went wrong, WWE games for PS2 are top sellers and WWE toys, especially the recent Classic Superstars have been selling well.

the Nintendo WWE games sell nowhere near the amount they used to, THQ uses the excuse that the GC's userbase is smaller than the N64's but imo it has more to do with them getting rid of AKI, THQ's WWE license deal was for $20M over 10 years, frankly I wouldn't mind if WWE wins this lawsuit and hands it over to EA & AKI :D
 

LakeEarth

Member
No matter how much we bash EA, I have to say that the prospect of EA getting the WWE license would kick ass. There would be NO problems getting the licensed music for that game. I for one am sick of getting 'fake' songs for certain wrestlers (happens more for the GC games than the PS2 ones).
 
element said:
while it would be a blow to THQ bottom line, i think THQ is trying to move away from the milking license and moving out to more original content. WWE has lost a lot in the last couple years.

THQ if fucking built of licenses. Moreso than any video company ever.

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PSX	BROKEN SWORD	THQ
PSX	DEVIL DICE	THQ
PSX	FLOATING RUNNER	THQ
PSX	G DARIUS	THQ
PSX	GHOST IN THE SHELL	THQ
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PSX	RAY TRACERS	THQ
PSX	ROBO PIT	THQ
PSX	ULTIMATE 8 BALL	THQ
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GBC	SCOOBY-DOO CL CAPERS	THQ  
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PS	SCOOBY DOO & CYBER	THQ  
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GBC	RUGRATS TOTALLY ANGEL	THQ  
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PS	BLUE'S CLUES MUSICAL	THQ  
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PS	MTV SKATEBOARDING	THQ  
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PS	RUGRATS IN PARIS	THQ  
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PS	WCW NITRO	THQ  
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PS	WCW VS THE WORLD	THQ  
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PS	WCW NITRO	THQ  
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PS	MTV SNOWBOARDING	THQ  
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PS	RUGRATS: STUDIO TOUR	THQ  
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PS	HW: EXTREME RACING	THQ  
PS	BRNSWK CIRCT BOWLING2	THQ  
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GBC	MADDEN NFL 2000	THQ  
GBC	TIGER WOODS PGA 2000	THQ  
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PS	MTV SNOWBOARDING	THQ  
GBC	THE RUGRATS MOVIE	THQ  
GBC	CROC	THQ  
GBO	Y NHL HOCKEY 96	THQ  
N64	SCOOBY-DOO CL CAPERS	THQ  
PS	K-1 ARENA FIGHTERS	THQ  
PS	ROBO PIT	THQ
 

element

Member
THQ if fucking built of licenses. Moreso than any video company ever.
and with all their recent developer purchases, I think they are moving away from cookie cutter licenses and making higher quality content. EA has games based on licenses, but take them to another level of production and quality (LOTR games).

With Punisher and War40k, both based on licenses, but not a cookie cutter game at all.
 

gblues

Banned
I'm not a lawyer, but here's my executive summary of what WWE is claiming:

* Bell gets hired on as licensing director
* WWE hires SSAI (owned/operated by Stanley Shenker) as an outside licensing agent on Bell's recommendation. Seems Shenker and Bell know each other personally.
* Jakks gets a license for WWE from Bell/Shenker
* After this deal is made, SSAI also becomes an outside licensing agent for Jakks. This deal is not disclosed to WWE.
* SSAI makes deals between WWE and Jakks while acting as both their agents!
* SSAI and Jakks receive outside legal counsel against the obvious conflict of interest.
* All parties ignore the legal advice and instead conceal the transactions via money laundering and such.

There's also some stuff about commissions and such, but most of it looks like it itemizes each known transaction.

So basically the outside licensing agent got caught double-dipping, and Jakks/THQ got caught bribing the licensing agent to get lucrative contracts.

Nathan
 

AbeFroman

Member
WarPig said:
Go to corporate.wwe.com. All the goods, the whole court filing and everything.

DFS.

From reading the filing, Acclaim sure got the shaft. They were reportedly not even allowed to make an offer to renew the WWE(F) license.

I also see that Activision was mentioned too...not sure if they would have grounds for legal action or not.
 

Memles

Member
gblues said:
I'm not a lawyer, but here's my executive summary of what WWE is claiming:

* Bell gets hired on as licensing director
* WWE hires SSAI (owned/operated by Stanley Shenker) as an outside licensing agent on Bell's recommendation. Seems Shenker and Bell know each other personally.
* Jakks gets a license for WWE from Bell/Shenker
* After this deal is made, SSAI also becomes an outside licensing agent for Jakks. This deal is not disclosed to WWE.
* SSAI makes deals between WWE and Jakks while acting as both their agents!
* SSAI and Jakks receive outside legal counsel against the obvious conflict of interest.
* All parties ignore the legal advice and instead conceal the transactions via money laundering and such.

There's also some stuff about commissions and such, but most of it looks like it itemizes each known transaction.

So basically the outside licensing agent got caught double-dipping, and Jakks/THQ got caught bribing the licensing agent to get lucrative contracts.

Nathan

DAAAMN.

If they win the case, THQ loses its license, and Jakks will have to re-renegotiate theirs. Or so I can gather.
 

WarPig

Member
The main thing that I get is that THQ may not have been directly involved in the worst part of it. The bribery scheme was conceived to get Jakks the license -- Jakks partnered with THQ AFTER it had the license, because it didn't have any game development resources of its own. Jakks actually got the license over a separate competing bid from THQ.

So THQ might just have been along for the ride...sucks to be them if they lose the license anyway.

DFS.
 

evil ways

Member
TheDuce22 said:
Why did THQ get rid of AKI in the first place. Since then wrestling games have gone to crap.

There was never a concrete reason given, aside from AKI's comments on being unfairly treated by and undercompensated by THQ.

So word going out was that THQ, being the good for nothing tricksters, and lazy assed swindlers that they are, gave AKI the short end of the stick and instead of compensating AKI they way they deserved, went cheapo on them and AKI left. Supposedly AKI also wanted to take a brief break from wrestling games, and since THQ needed a yearly product on time for the holidays, they went with Yukes, who was already rehashing their japanese Simple Series 1500 engine on the american WWF games on PSX.

Basically, AKI wanted a break and more money & respect, but THQ was cheap and instead had Yukes pull a 2 for 1 deal by developing the games on the Nintendo console as well.
 

gblues

Banned
One of the claims is that the Jakks/THQ joint venture was part of the bribery/laundering scheme. That's what drags THQ into the mess.

Nathan
 

WarPig

Member
gblues said:
One of the claims is that the Jakks/THQ joint venture was part of the bribery/laundering scheme. That's what drags THQ into the mess.

But the only individuals named are Jakks executives -- if I read the allegations right, they were the ones supposedly acting on behalf of the partnership as part of the cover-up. Specific THQ people may have been involved, who knows, but I don't see any THQ names mentioned in any bad way in the suit.

DFS.
 

Fatalah

Member
I've been waiting for THQ's contract with WWE to end.....and I knew itd be a while. This would quicken things nicely.

Even if Aki DIDN'T develop the WWE game, I'm sure EA would be better at putting out a greater game. A franchise like Madden?

McMahon '05 !!!!!!!! WOah!!!!!
 
explodet said:
There's also been talk about how THQ may lose the Nickelodeon licenses - their contract is expiring. Any truth to this?

TheStreet.com had a detailed analysis of this issue:

THQ Could Get 'Nick'ed by Viacom

By Troy Wolverton
TheStreet.com Staff Reporter
9/27/2004 7:08 AM EDT

THQ (THQI:Nasdaq - commentary - research) has made a lot of money developing video games based on popular Nickelodeon shows such as SpongeBob SquarePants. Now the company -- and its investors -- may be hoping that business doesn't slip away.

THQ's license expires at the end of next year, but Nickelodeon parent Viacom (VIA.B:NYSE - commentary - research) is already talking to THQ and other companies about a new deal. Analysts believe Viacom will ink a deal soon to give its partner enough time to produce games for 2006 and beyond.

Although THQ officials have said they're confident the company will retain the Nickelodeon deal, analysts and investors aren't so sure. One of THQ's potential rivals is Midway Games (MWY:NYSE - commentary - research), which is majority-owned by Viacom CEO Sumner Redstone.

"Although we think it is logical for Viacom to renew its license with THQ, we are far from certain that logic will prevail," said Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter, in a research note issued last week. "We think the outcome is too close to call."

The problem is that the Nickelodeon license represents a sizable chunk of THQ's revenue. In its latest fiscal year, the company derived 16% of its sales -- about $102.5 million -- from the Nickelodeon titles. With a game based on the upcoming SpongeBob movie slated for this fall, the company's Nickelodeon revenue could go higher this year...

...By all rights, renewing the contract with THQ shouldn't be an issue for Viacom. Pachter estimated that the company has sold about 15 million units of Nickelodeon-related games since 2000, generating about $25 million in royalties for Viacom. Within the video-game industry, THQ has carved out a niche for itself as the leading producer of games targeted at children -- Nickelodeon's chief audience.

In contrast, Midway has done little in the way of children's games, focusing instead on its Mortal Kombat franchise and on sports and racing games such as LA Rush.

Midway has little experience marketing to children and doesn't have the ability in-house to develop games for handheld devices, which represents a big part of the youth game market, said THQ CFO Edward Zinser in a meeting with investors last week. "From our standpoint, it would almost be irresponsible for [Viacom] to give the license to Midway," Zinser said. "We are certainly expecting to renew that license."

THQ has been negotiating with Viacom to renew the Nickelodeon license for several months and hopes to have a deal signed in the "near term," Zinser said.

Investors also question whether Midway could reproduce THQ's success with the Nickelodeon titles.

"I think everyone in the industry doubts their ability to deliver," said Joe Spiegel, a fund manager and managing member of Dalek Capital.

But no one is exactly sure how Redstone's increasing investment in Midway over the last two years will factor into Viacom's decision. The move has mystified other analysts and investors, partly because Midway has struggled for years...

...Redstone controls about 71% of Viacom's voting shares, meaning that he could likely push through any deal he wanted. And Viacom has recently teamed up with Midway on a couple of projects. In the last month, the media company's Paramount Pictures division has announced that it has acquired the film rights to Midway's upcoming Area 51 and Fear & Respect titles.

Another factor could be the fact that THQ has yet to tap into the full range of Nickelodeon's programming. While the network produces 19 animated children's shows, THQ has only developed seven games based on them, noted Pachter. "Should Midway offer to create games based upon a higher number, the advantage may shift in Midway's favor," he said in his note.

Viacom has asked Midway to make a pitch for the license, but Midway has not yet done so, said a Midway representative. "It's all up in the air," the representative said.

Some investors have a gut feeling about the outcome. "I think Midway's going to win" the Nickelodeon license, said Norm Conley, a portfolio manager for JAG Advisors and a contributor to TheStreet.com's sister site, RealMoney. "Redstone really wants to grow the revenue base of Midway, and this would make a nice fit." ...

...Viacom is going to try to get the best deal it can get, analysts noted. And that could mean that even if THQ renews the contract, it might do so only by offering very generous terms to Viacom. "This is one of those types of things: What am I left with, and what do I have to give away to win the deal," said the portfolio manager.

For the full article, visit: http://www.thestreet.com/_mktw/stocks/troywolverton/10184750.html
 

Sho Nuff

Banned
THQ in danger of losing the WWE license!?

HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW

This is the best news I've heard all day. I'd rather see EA have the license, to be honest. Or Rockstar and they'd get Visual Concepts to do it. Ohhh yeah.

BTW, with Rumble Roses, Yuke's removed all the Smackdown art assets (animation, mostly) from RR and it's all original now.
 

WarPig

Member
VC making a pro wrestling game. Yeah, I could kinda see that. I'd be interested in what they could come up with, anyhow.

DFS.
 

Alf-Life

Member
I loved the AKI wrestling games on the n64... not played either Def Jam game yet, but I'd love it if EA got the license and poured money over AKI who'd make the definitive wrestling game and finally get the recognition they deserve from the casuals. :)
 
THQ Comments on WWE Lawsuit
CALABASAS HILLS, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 19, 2004--THQ(R) Inc. (NASDAQ:THQI) offered comments today concerning the lawsuit filed by World Wrestling Entertainment Inc. (NYSE:WWE) (the "WWE") earlier today against JAKKS Pacific, Inc. (NASDAQ:JAKK), THQ and others.

THQ is committed to preserving its rights under the videogame license with the WWE. THQ believes the WWE is pleased with the manner in which THQ has managed their brand in the video game category. As THQ is not directly accused of any wrongdoing in the complaint -- rather the complaint alleges wrongdoing on the part of JAKKS Pacific and others of which THQ was and is unaware -- THQ is not in a position to comment on these allegations. In any event, either there is no basis for terminating the video game license, or THQ expects to be made whole by those whose conduct is eventually found to be unlawful. THQ intends to vigorously protect and pursue its rights, if necessary.

The lawsuit has no effect on games currently scheduled for release, including WWE SmackDown!(TM) vs. Raw(TM), which is scheduled to ship on November 2.



:D
 

WarPig

Member
Jakks also claims they'll be completely vindicated and all that, although THQ admittedly has a bit more of a leg to stand on.

Like I say, it's entirely possible that Jakks will just get kicked to the curb and the WWE will cut another deal with THQ.

DFS.
 

Sp3eD

0G M3mbeR
To all the people wanting EA to obtain the WWE License......what would happen if AKI wasn't paid to make it?

Do you people even remember the later generation WCW titles from EA? Dear lord please think of that before you make that quick judgement :)
 

WarPig

Member
Why should EA even want to make WWE games anyway? The promotion's stock is WAY down as far as mainstream appeal. Def Jam may outsell them this year across all three platforms. The WWE is notoriously aggravating to work with as a licensor. Where's the upside, really?

DFS.
 

3kuSaS

Unconfirmed Member
Def Jam may outsell them this year across all three platforms.

How well did Def Jam sell anyway? I doubt it sold better than the Smackdown series, those games always sell over a million.

I really enjoy the Smackdown games, but I would love if AKI made a new WWE game, though I think they should steal some of Yuke's ideas. Both companies have their good points and bad points when it comes to wrestling games.
 

FightyF

Banned
Do you people even remember the later generation WCW titles from EA? Dear lord please think of that before you make that quick judgement

If the Def Jam team worked on it...it could be cool.
 

Axsider

Banned
Ninja Scooter said:
in other words: EA is gonna offer us a bajillion dollars for our license, please let us out of theis THQ contract.
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So true
 

Axsider

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3kuSaS said:
How well did Def Jam sell anyway? I doubt it sold better than the Smackdown series, those games always sell over a million.
Yeah, because these people.....
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.....are buying this game!
 
Midway has little experience marketing to children and doesn't have the ability in-house to develop games for handheld devices, which represents a big part of the youth game market, said THQ CFO Edward Zinser in a meeting with investors last week. "From our standpoint, it would almost be irresponsible for [Viacom] to give the license to Midway," Zinser said. "We are certainly expecting to renew that license."

The full quote of this is downright nasty. :lol
 

Nameless

Member
This is not good at all. The Yukes develped games have been superb, and I personally don't should't erase a proven equation. I personally don't see EA putting out better WWE titles than what has been released within the Smackdown series. Despite my opinions however history doesn't lie.

There was once a company named WCW, who enlisted the services of a little company called THQ to release their wrestling games. Eventually, however, another company named EA(electronic arts) took control over the license from THQ and the end result was:

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perhaps the worst wrestling game ever created.
 

LakeEarth

Member
Nameless said:
This is not good at all. The Yukes develped games have been superb, and I personally don't should't erase a proven equation. I personally don't see EA putting out better WWE titles than what has been released within the Smackdown series. Despite my opinions however history doesn't lie.

There was once a company named WCW, who enlisted the services of a little company called THQ to release their wrestling games. Eventually, however, another company named EA(electronic arts) took control over the license from THQ and the end result was:

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perhaps the worst wrestling game ever created.

Good point, but I think Backstage Assault was a bit more.... shall we say... puke worthy.

But it's different now. We're talking about EA Sports putting effort into this baby.
 
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