ConfusingJazz
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Fixed that for ya.
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WWE Holding All-Day Creative Meetings Today & Friday
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Fixed that for ya.
notworksafe
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Daniel Bryan in every match at WM. Loses in them all.
They look at the sales of their merchandise. Unfortunately kids still love Cena so WWE keeps him in the spotlight.
Aaron-Lagann
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Punk leaving gives Ziggler a chance! I just want him on TV more!
Deadly Joker
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He's got no chance. No chance in hell.
DeaconKnowledge
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Nothing will change. You'll be disappointed if you think otherwise.
If anything, I think Ziggler will have less TV time. They're going to have to fill in Punk's spot with 3-5 older wrestlers who can barely move. No time for Ziggy.
Aaron-Lagann
Banned
Ziggler needs to get himself over. The "be more selfish" critique is a real one.
Merchandise sales (Cena sells by far the most merch), ticket sales- a few weeks ago, the Cena house show in Sacramento outdrew the Bryan house show in Vancoover on the same night (and those markets are about the same size), and PPV buys (Summerslam with Bryan on top had a massive drop from last year, and all of the fall PPVs with Bryan main events sold poorly)
This plus main eventers being decided by Vince, who is notoriously mood swingy with pushes (see: Ryback) and guys he won't give up on despite being horrendously not over (Del Rio).
I don't think it's his choice unfortunately. He's got to overcome Triple H and Vince which is almost impossible. I agree that he should become more selfish.
Getting over without permission is punished. See Zack Ryder, Armando Estrada, Christian...
Such a shame what they did to Zack Ryder. I wasn't really a fan but he was over and his merchandise was selling decently. Still Vince no like.
captainraincoat
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Hope they come out with an announcement like they did with the start of the attitude era
I think the only thing that will really save them is if they do a Cena Heel turn....Bryan wins the Title and they fastrack Sting vs Taker
Bryan vs Punk at WM
I think the only thing that will really save them is if they do a Cena Heel turn....Bryan wins the Title and they fastrack Sting vs Taker
Bryan vs Punk at WM
captainraincoat
Banned
They can simply write a match which puts up the number 1 contender spot...i think they have done it before
The previous year was Lesnar-HHH and Cena-Punk-Show. This year was Cena-Bryan and Lesnar-Punk, and did 70K less buys.
Those are basically all the same people, with Bryan swapped in for HHH.
aparisi2274
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I'm not a hardcore viewer, but I'll watch from time to time.
When I saw the insane 'YES' chant after Bryan won a cage match on Raw last week, I assumed WWE would fast track him to top card draw and have him in some main event at Wrestlemania and then I hear what happened at RR. What a shame. CM punk did the right thing by leaving.
Sometimes I wish they would take creative control away from HHH because it seems like he only books wrestlers that he likes.
Oh well, curious to see how this all plays out.
When I saw the insane 'YES' chant after Bryan won a cage match on Raw last week, I assumed WWE would fast track him to top card draw and have him in some main event at Wrestlemania and then I hear what happened at RR. What a shame. CM punk did the right thing by leaving.
Sometimes I wish they would take creative control away from HHH because it seems like he only books wrestlers that he likes.
Oh well, curious to see how this all plays out.
That's every booker ever pretty much.
Rumble and Elimination Chamber were up (but Rock was involved),Money in the Bank was up. Yes, PPV as a whole is down, but by basically every measurable metric including TV ratings (someone tracked all the quarter hour gains over the past few years for different wrestlers, Bryans drawing power is nothing like the strength of his reactions at Raw and on the Internet.
Are all of the numbers flawed in some way? Absolutely. But none of the indicators that actually mean anything money-wise point to Bryan being a gigantic superstar.
Ryder's name shows up on the "bleeds viewers" list that was compiled for 11/12/13, unfortunately. That list actually helps explain a lot about their thought process.
The problem is that the product has been super-stale for a very long time, hence the continuous downward trajectory.
slightconfuse
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Summer slam has a low butyrate because E has conditioned fans to expect the worst . Don't think many people thought Bryan would debut a new finisher and beat cena clean
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remember when daniel bryan lost to sheamus in 8 seconds lol
Host Samurai
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Lesnar vs Bryan for the title with Bryan going over would be an amazing WM moment.
Jazzy Network
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God I am done with WWE if shit doesn't change. The current product is beyond unwatchable.
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
They should let Wrasslegaf book for WWE. We would either make Raw the highest rated show on cable or put the company out of business in a month.
Out of business in a month
Glorified G
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Punk said during a Q&A earlier this month that the WWE didn't even have concrete plans for Wrestlemania. He criticized that they should already be planning for next Wrestlemania which I know they used to do in the past.
Only to drop it and turn him heel for no discernible reason. What a waste of time.
They need to be planning things top to bottom all the time. It feels like Vince wasn't all that personally involved in storytelling/scripting/creative during the late'90s/early '00s boom and so over the years they've shifted to something more closely resembling the '80s, which has been terrible for business.
When people say Ziggler needs to get himself over more and be more selfish, they don't mean do stuff like Ryder did. They mean to not over sell everything and make everything done to him look like death. He sells a punch from Santino like he would Bork beating the shit out of him. He's made a career out of making others look so good that it has damaged him. He needs to be a little more judicious in when he's going to over sell. Dudes sells exactly the same for Miz's weak ass offense as he did for Big Show and Cena.
No way. In the 80s, everything was booked months and months in advance. The main event to next year's WM was planned at the end of this year's. When Randy Savage was brought in, they had 8 months of shit laid out from his first day. EVERYTHING was planned out well in advance and only got changed unless someone really shit the bed, got fired, or got injured.
No way. In the 80s, everything was booked months and months in advance. The main event to next year's WM was planned at the end of this year's. When Randy Savage was brought in, they had 8 months of shit laid out from his first day. EVERYTHING was planned out well in advance and only got changed unless someone really shit the bed, got fired, or got injured.
ChosenPredator
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so much truth to that must be horrendous lol
Absolutely. Everyone had gimmicks and stories and the ones that didn't were jobbers to the stars, which is a role that doesn't exist anymore. From top to bottom, everything was planned out at least 6 months at a time in the 80s. Russo didn't invent the concept of giving mid carders angles. And most of the mid card angles were terrible, but people say "well at least they had something to do". I don't agree with that. No angles is better than bad angles.
But John Cena was hurt and needed 2 weeks off. That was totally a valid reason to put Ryback in 4 consecutive matches he creatively could not win, then have him lose clean at mania for no reason other then being a random swerve for random swerves sake.
ShabbadooJr
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I feel they either need to do another brand split or release a bunch of guys. Del Rio has no business being near the top.
Liquidsnake
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We have "no angles" now, and bad ones are definitely better. There's a reason people actively tune out 15 minute matches that mean nothing.
Time filler matches are better than bad angles that damage careers after them. Guys can get over just on ring work today, which wasn't possible in the Attitude Era because TV matches were 3 minutes long and the main events might be 10 at most. Daniel Bryan, the most over guy on the roster, got over because of his in ring work. CM Punk originally got over on his work as he wasn't given a lot of mic time until his big heel run against Jeff Hardy. Cesaro gets reactions from doing awesome shit in the ring. Dolph got over originally based strictly on his ring work because he's terrible at talking. It's a different era.
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