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I remember before one of the WresleMainas (I want to say 2000), they broadcast all the previous 'Manias back to back in a marathon, so it would be awesome if they did that for WM30.
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I remember before one of the WresleMainas (I want to say 2000), they broadcast all the previous 'Manias back to back in a marathon, so it would be awesome if they did that for WM30.
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It may not be hype you're feeling. It's a long road.
BUT IT'S THE ROAD TO WRESTLEMANIA! *points to Mania sign*
You'll quickly find that besides WM 3 and 6, none of them felt like big shows until 17. There are good matches here and there and the nostalgia of Gorilla and Jesse go a long way, but the majority of the first 16 shows were in regular sized arenas with regular cards outside of a few big ones. I think Summerslam has a better record, even with those shitty New Generation ones.
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17 is really good, surprisingly good.
SummerSlam is a better PPV though imho because it doesn't have that huge buildup with a Royal Rumble having to play into the plans for the main event and also the Undertaker match. Those are fine things, sure, but SummerSlam lets them take the gloves off and do whatever the hell they want.
+1 for SummerSlam as the best PPV event of all time. Royal Rumble would have been it, but there have been some BAD Rumble winners and the main event is almost always throwaway.
SummerSlam is a better PPV though imho because it doesn't have that huge buildup with a Royal Rumble having to play into the plans for the main event and also the Undertaker match. Those are fine things, sure, but SummerSlam lets them take the gloves off and do whatever the hell they want.
+1 for SummerSlam as the best PPV event of all time. Royal Rumble would have been it, but there have been some BAD Rumble winners and the main event is almost always throwaway.
Oh crap, I miswrote by saying "all".
Yeah, I'm skipping 1 through 10 actually. Just picking up at 11 since I just watched that yesterday and watching 12 now. I agree that the old ones just feel like regular PPV's.
Just watch the main matches from each year. Iron man match at 12, Bret vs Austin at 13, Kane vs Taker at 14, Rock vs Austin and Shane vs X-Pac at 15, the ladder match at 16. Then watch 17 on. The under cards are weak as fuck for 12-16.
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I always like lists of great matches that are overlooked at Manias. I should do a Summerslam series.
I think it was a Summerslam that had D'Lo Brown vs Val Venis as the opener and it went something like 20 minutes and was amazing. I never thought that matchup could be so good.
I think it was a Summerslam that had D'Lo Brown vs Val Venis as the opener and it went something like 20 minutes and was amazing. I never thought that matchup could be so good.
Underrated WM matches:
Hercules vs Ultimate Warrior WM4
Rockers vs Twin Towers WM5
Rockers vs Faces of Fear WM7
Big Boss Man vs Mr. Perfect WM7
HBK vs Tito WM8
HBK vs Tatanka WM9
Steiners vs Headshrinkers WM9
Mr. Perfect vs Lex Luger WM9 is actually a lot better than I remembered
Taka vs Aguila WM14
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Bunch of interesting matches here. Tito Santana was totally overlooked, used to him opening shows. Steiners vs Headshrinkers sounds like a lot of fun. If anyone's going to get a great match out of Luger, it'd be Perfect.
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Summerslam 98. I actually just watched that last night. Val steals D'Lo's chest guard and knocks dude around.
Perfect hits a few of the loudest chops I've ever heard on Lex. Steiners/Shrinkers is pretty good. Scott takes that horrific lawn dart over the top rope, hit with one of the stiffest cane shots possible, and a lot of super stiff shots in general from the SST.
How we can ignore 4 & 5 is baffling considering they basically spent 2 years building up the storyline that started in 4 and ran through 5 with the Mega Powers fallout
Sure the arenas were nothing as grand as 3 and 6 but event wise I don't think you can rightly throw them out just because attendance was not astronomical
"Few big ones" referred to matches, as in there were always one or two big matches that felt like big matches. WM4 fucking sucks. It's brutal to sit through. A bunch of short tournament matches with no flow that never get any kind of chance to pick up or have any kind of story to them. The main event matches are usually the only things that really feel like a big deal for the majority of WM shows.
WM4 sucks though. No amount of nostalgia can help that show.
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Yes! Horrible ending though, I think it ended in a DQ. Only complaint. Great match. 1998 = DQ finishes
Perfect never got enough credit for his chop game. Flair's always the gold standard, but Perfect could hit hard as fuck.
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Im gonna go on a New Generation binge this week. Going to start at Survivor Series 92 than end it at KotR 96
Do you hate yourself?
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Did Saba Simba ever make it to New Generation?
I don't hate WM5 by any means. Enjoyed it a lot. I don't think it had the big event feel though.
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Razer
Bret
Diesel
HBK
Sid
Perfect
Yoko
Tatanka
Prime Undertaker
Excellent booking and good matches. No I am treating myself to it. Its much better than the current product
It should be stated for the record that Undertaker's prime lasted clear through both the New Generation and Attitude eras.
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When did Undertaker turn the corner between being godawful to watch in the ring because most of his moveset was choking the other person - into something fun to watch? Did it happen on a costume change?
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Purple and black was prime Taker for sure. Look how fast he was and look at the air time he would get on that flying clothesline and his matches were still character driven. When he was grey and black during the Hogan era all he did was choke and was 100% character based.
Purple Taker = Best Taker
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I liked the look of grey taker, but Purple is definitely a great one. I also enjoyed Ministry Taker a lot in the ring.
MMA Strikes Taker didn't make me happy though.
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I agree with this 100%. Grey Taker looked the best, no doubt. Worst Taker since biker Taker and Post biker is the Taker that came back from being buried alive by Mankind,late 96-98 Taker
notworksafe
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The other weird thing from that PPV was Owen Hart and Ken Shamrock fighting in an octagon while JR shits all over UFC.
Didn't notice it years ago but it's interesting to hear him talk about how you won't find octagon action like theirs anywhere else on PPV.
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10 bucks a month is a small price to pay for reassuring myself that Doink was solid. Doink was totally solid.
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The weird one with the walkway up top? That was a weird match, but boy, Owen sure did bust his ass there. Crowd was hot as fuck for it too.
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He just wan't as creepy as grey Taker, but I guess they wanted to make him less creepy and gave him the purple because he was a face.
Yoko sucked. You will quickly find that out. Sid also was never a good wrestler, but had the look and intensity. Tatanka wasn't that good either except for the WM match with HBK. Prime Taker my ass.
I think he really opened up with the Mankind feud. Before that, he was still stuck in matches with shitty big guys, so there wasn't much he could do. He had some good stuff in the months before Mankind showed up, but I think he really was able to show he could really go starting with that feud.
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That's the one. It was a really cool match. I ended up going to sleep after so I'll have to finish the show later on today.
Still need to watch the Tag match and Austin/Taker.
I think you mean "slow burn".
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I got this but want to watch it in my living room. All I've got is an ouya and 360 hooked up.
the app runs on ouya side loaded, but won't play videos. I'm not going to pay for Live to get access to apps.
what's the best device to watch this on then?
the app runs on ouya side loaded, but won't play videos. I'm not going to pay for Live to get access to apps.
what's the best device to watch this on then?
Fully Loaded 2000
Royal Rumble 2000
lol @ WWE not anticipating the demand for WCW PPVs. still subtly burying wcw even 13 years later
I started to watch from the beginning of 1997 over the yesterday. I only watched the Rumble and the In Your House from February and I'm already fucking sick of Ahmed Johnson. He's just so lame and uncoordinated and nothing he does has any impact. His mouth being full of marbles doesn't help his case either.
The beginning of 1997 seems like it was a real weird time in the WWF. How much of Shawn's injury was legit and how much was him just not wanting to lose the belt to Bret. I've tried gleaming a little bit out of it from Wikipedia, but I think I'm going to have to watch either a Michaels doc or that Beyond the Ring thing that was airing the first day or two the network was up. Either way, Shawn seems like he would have been a real chore to work with around this time. For all the shit Vince gets about only liking big guys, he tolerated a lot of bullshit from a fairly small guy in Shawn.
I'm interested to get to the Austin/Hart match and see why the guy that won the Rumble isn't in the title match. I've only ever watched the match and not really seen the story behind it or any of the packages leading in to it. Was Ken Shamrock part of the angle with them for some reason or was he just the special ref because he was seen as a submission specialist?
The main event of the In Your House was really weird, too. A four corners no dq match with pin, submissions, and over the top rules. They had to shoehorn in a bunch of ways for guys to go through the middle ropes or under the ropes. I'm guessing the idea was to try and protect everyone in the match by not having anyone get pinned or tap, but it just came off as really contrived.
Its really funny to see early Rocky Maivia. He's pretty limited with his ring work, but you can definitely see that he has some charisma itching to get out. All of his wins seem to come from roll-ups, too. He was the Eva Marie of 1997.
As a side note, they really need to add a way to browse PPVs chronologically. They always advertise the upcoming show on the PPV before, but it would be nice to just have it listed in that order.
The beginning of 1997 seems like it was a real weird time in the WWF. How much of Shawn's injury was legit and how much was him just not wanting to lose the belt to Bret. I've tried gleaming a little bit out of it from Wikipedia, but I think I'm going to have to watch either a Michaels doc or that Beyond the Ring thing that was airing the first day or two the network was up. Either way, Shawn seems like he would have been a real chore to work with around this time. For all the shit Vince gets about only liking big guys, he tolerated a lot of bullshit from a fairly small guy in Shawn.
I'm interested to get to the Austin/Hart match and see why the guy that won the Rumble isn't in the title match. I've only ever watched the match and not really seen the story behind it or any of the packages leading in to it. Was Ken Shamrock part of the angle with them for some reason or was he just the special ref because he was seen as a submission specialist?
The main event of the In Your House was really weird, too. A four corners no dq match with pin, submissions, and over the top rules. They had to shoehorn in a bunch of ways for guys to go through the middle ropes or under the ropes. I'm guessing the idea was to try and protect everyone in the match by not having anyone get pinned or tap, but it just came off as really contrived.
Its really funny to see early Rocky Maivia. He's pretty limited with his ring work, but you can definitely see that he has some charisma itching to get out. All of his wins seem to come from roll-ups, too. He was the Eva Marie of 1997.
As a side note, they really need to add a way to browse PPVs chronologically. They always advertise the upcoming show on the PPV before, but it would be nice to just have it listed in that order.
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speaking of, where's a good jump on point to rewatch that feud? I only really caught the tail end of it originally.
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1997 is probably my favorite year in wrestling. Seemed like there were no true faces and heels during that year and there were lots of experimentation with Vince bringing in Japanese guys and luchas over on RAW. 97 was the REAL Attitude era year before it all got watered down in 98.
There was just something very raw about WWF in 97
-Taker vs Mankind feud
-More realistic gimmicks
-The Original Nation of Domination
-ECW invasions
-HBK/Bret heat
-Stone Colds rise
-Brian Pillmans death
-Kanes arrival storyline (I can't believe they built this up so well for 5 months)
-The REAL DX
-Gang Warfare
-The infamous screw job
-WWF acknowledged WCW and Hall and Nashes depature
-Bringing in Ken Shamrock in his MMA prime
-Vader in Kuait
-Goldust coming out as Dustin Rhodes
-Mankind opening up about about his past as Cactus Jack (That stuff never happened before)
97 was a crazy time
mercenar1e
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What did you think of Fake Razer Ramon? Lol I can imagine the blame for that falls on Vince
Arrowgigantic
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This is kawaii as fuck but it is also pretty cool:
Jeff Harvey disguise and mariachi disguise are where it's at.
Jeff Harvey disguise and mariachi disguise are where it's at.