Every guy? How about just one of them?
WWE Raw drops to lowest TV rating in 18 years
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Every guy? How about just one of them?
New Day man. And Owens literally just lost the belt. And Styles is No. 1 contender.
It's much more fun having your favourites chase the belts anyway.
Pretty much, Austin chasing the belt was much more entertaining than having to defend the belt.
Sweeney Tom
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It's why I don't sympathize with anyone who still has the Network. If you're still supporting them and enabling them after all of this, your complaints are simply not valid. They have no reason to listen to you, because you won't walk away from them even when they don't. I'd personally email every subscriber audio of me laughing monthly if I were in Vince's position and had that high a level of comfort and security.
1) Styles is not going over Roman we know this.
2) The Tag Team belts are not what they once were, and I don't seem them as anything but a 3rd tier title as long as they are BRONZE
3) We never got a good program for Owens with the IC title did we? I can't think of one great match that came out of him with the belt. Thats more of a overall problem with how the book the IC title though, not just Owens.
4) My comment was more directed at the fact that the WHC has been dominated by Reigns plots for the last year and I would take any guy listed over him for that spot.
And the biggest problem with them chasing belts is there are no credible heels, no decent storylines and the build up to each PPV is 4 matches between the 2 guys before the PPV and maybe 4 matches after also and then another PPV match and they constantly split wins... yay...
Mechanized
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For reals. Find something better to do with your time until the product actually improves, if ever. At this point it would be no big loss if they fizzled out.
TarpitCarnivore
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Based on the AMA the "insider" did for Reddit they had some very very different things planned. Injuries absolutely ruined and changed the road to wrestlemania.
Now that the stories have "reset" and the know when these guys might be coming back they should hopefully have better stories.
Now that the stories have "reset" and the know when these guys might be coming back they should hopefully have better stories.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Do you still like the New Day? Do you think they are stars? Then they are still strong. You guys get into this meta-analysis of who looks strong like you're viewing pro wrestling as a distant logic puzzle meant for an audience that doesn't include you instead of as a subjective, emotional performance.
Other fans aren't dumb. They feel however they want about any segment. No intelligent people get worked to where they're like "Austin stunned Woods? New Day's buried!" except the person saying it.
Internet fans talk like they're above getting worked without realizing they're being worked harder than anyone else watching.
Other fans aren't dumb. They feel however they want about any segment. No intelligent people get worked to where they're like "Austin stunned Woods? New Day's buried!" except the person saying it.
Internet fans talk like they're above getting worked without realizing they're being worked harder than anyone else watching.
TarpitCarnivore
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Also using ratings as indication of product success is just bad. If the product is SO BAD as so many fans say then how did they sell over 100K tickets for mania? How are they still pumping out merchandise at high volumes/sales?
I listened to that and never heard it, but Meltzer is the guy that's incorrect more than he is correct. FlaconArrow on Reddit (who has been more informative the past year than Meltzer has for years) already said there weren't any changes made on the day.
LMAO, has anyone seen this? Who did this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHC2o3E2HcI&nohtml5=False
~14 seconds or so? When you see it...
Hahahaha. Seems Raw is still popular on here at the very least...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHC2o3E2HcI&nohtml5=False
~14 seconds or so? When you see it...
Hahahaha. Seems Raw is still popular on here at the very least...
Uno Venova
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What have merchandise sales been like over say the past 5 years?
1. No, he's not. But at least try and enjoy the story, eh? The Bullet Club are due any minute now.
2. That's on you. I think they're great champs, and seeing as we have 3 new tag teams entering the fray this week, I'd say the tag finish on is looking tasty.
3. Well, no. But Owens doesn't need the belt to tell good stories or have good matches. The belt is in a better place now.
As is Owens.
4. Yup. The WHC scene has sucked hard. But now that the Reigns story has been told, and with the injured slowly returning, there is plenty of potential for good stuff.
You're arguing this three days after the first Raw after Wrestlemania. A show where a load of new storylines have literally just been instigated. Let's see what happens.
Keyser Soze
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That sign was all over the place that one RAW
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35973204&postcount=5930
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I honestly think one of the main problems they have had recently is heels holding the main titles for the vast majority of the year.
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probs not a general concept hardcore fans will understand but look like this
i use to be ahardcore fan i mean for fuck sake i have every raw record since the first ever till around 2004 taped on vhs and every single ppv.
but in my situation now i have no need to watch every raw or smackdown. i havent watched raw in a month but i watched wrestlemania and knew exactly what was happening. its like a soap opera but i get a recap every month,
this is a huge factor as to why the ratings lower and another factor as to why they dont give a fuck
prime example i could watch any soap opera right now and have no fucking clue who these chracters are or whats the story.
i could be a new fan and watch wrestlelmania tomorrow and before a match i get a sweet recap on the raws the last month.
i use to be ahardcore fan i mean for fuck sake i have every raw record since the first ever till around 2004 taped on vhs and every single ppv.
but in my situation now i have no need to watch every raw or smackdown. i havent watched raw in a month but i watched wrestlemania and knew exactly what was happening. its like a soap opera but i get a recap every month,
this is a huge factor as to why the ratings lower and another factor as to why they dont give a fuck
prime example i could watch any soap opera right now and have no fucking clue who these chracters are or whats the story.
i could be a new fan and watch wrestlelmania tomorrow and before a match i get a sweet recap on the raws the last month.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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They sell a lot of tickets for Mania (they sold 94k btw, not 100) because they've turned it into an event. It's become a weekend that wrestling fans look forward too. A shitload of people from the UK travel to it. I mean, normally when you are selling a show you have the people in that area to try and sell tickets to. The pool with wrestlemania essentially becomes every wrestling fan in the world that can afford to go. Vince McMahon has always been a fucking amazing promoter, which is how he can pull something like that off. His weakness has always been his creative side. He's always best when he's got talented creative people to bounce ideas off of. Even when he's not though, he's such a good promoter that he can keep things afloat. That's why so many people still watch WWE even though they hate it.
More of a commentary on how bad its been and why I have little faith in WWE's booking.
Mechanized
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People are defending the product, saying wait and see, the same shit people have been doing for years. And it's still the same. A flash of brilliance for a month or two convinces some to hang around and the cycle repeats.
Than I'm wrong, I have no idea where I heard it now. But it seems like it was wrong anyway.
RiccochetJ
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I actually wonder how much is from dislike of the product and how much is from people cutting the cord. WWE isn't hurting in the least.
http://corporate.wwe.com/company/financials
Well that's not exactly surprising when FalconArrow most likely works for the WWE itself, thus making it a lot easier for him to get that info in the first place. Doesn't diminish Meltzer's credibility anyway (which is still tops).
no way to spin it. those numbers are solid. viewers are down. profits are up.
I have not watched WWE for more than a year (2015 rumble was the last thing I watched before this mania I think) and I still knew everything. One gif of Roman being booed and I knew exactly the way he has being booked for the entire year. My only question was where Seth Rollins was and my only surprise was that new day was actually funny.
Other than that, WWE today is basically the same as 2014 or 2013 plus KO and Sami Zayn. And the women stuff at mania felt like the usual diva bullshit plus a special presentation by the NXT women's division.
That's how stale the thing is, you can stop watching now and just come back for 2017 wrestlemania and it will probably be kind of the same thing with the same people, the same stuff you dislike, the same stuff you like, and so on.
Am I reading this correctly? They only made $24 million profit last year? That seems low.
RiccochetJ
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The travelling circus that is the WWE is expensive to operate yo.
Someone should correct me if I'm wrong, but that number is after paying for everyone and everything?
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I would argue that people are consuming what the WWE has to offer in a different way that Nielson can't or won't measure.
Arrowgigantic
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WWE is one of the few stocks out there that still pays dividends. Their operating income was $68.7 million. Last year they paid 48 cents per share, which is about $36 million. Their total revenue was $658 million, that's pretty good.
And here is why Vince does not give a fuck what we think of Reigns.
UberTag
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If Owens & Zayn fated to 50/50 until the end of time against each other and lose to everyone else on the roster while making them look awesome, it's a fair argument.
The Faceless Master
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should just have jobber matches only
someone loses and they are buried
match ends with run-in and good match ruined
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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*heavily featured in the opener and in both "main event" matches*
*lose like one person has to in literally any 1v1 match*
"Buried."
Okay. Well at the end of time, let's have the discussion again. In the meantime, it's impossible to "bury" either of them. The crowd are solidly behind them both and they are frickin awesome at wrestling and are having great matches. Losing matches is part of the storyline. It's fine. They are both upper mid-carders, with links to the main event scene. Buried is the complete opposite of what they are.
Sir_Crocodile
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I imagine people tuned out with the back to back vaudevillains and crews matches.
Wwf hasn't done anything to make people care about them yet. The vv's haven't even had a damn promo yet and they're in the number one contenders match.
Wwf hasn't done anything to make people care about them yet. The vv's haven't even had a damn promo yet and they're in the number one contenders match.
AGreatDave
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Regardless of if buried is hyperbole or not, you're not making people look credible when they lose meaningless tv matches. This is the entire problem with the switch from tv being glorified exhibition matches to trying to book matches to hook viewers. There's less and less people who look remarkable.
The audience knows it's fake, but they also know the way people are booked is indicative of how seriously they should take them as credible top guys. If Zayn is losing basically clean in an opener it tells them Zayn isn't somebody they should expect the company to get behind. There's no benefit to teaching people that a few months after he came up. It's the way they treat everybody except the chosen ones like Reigns and it trains the audience not to give a shit about their matches. Zayn and Owens are both losers. Why should anyone care about watching their match?
Sub 3 million... Ouch.
I think they have kinda given up on the third hour. Their main event stuff is around hour two with the third hour just being a random match with little to no consequence.
I mean, they had Jericho close the show. I doubt they were thinking that was going to keep people around.
I think they have kinda given up on the third hour. Their main event stuff is around hour two with the third hour just being a random match with little to no consequence.
I mean, they had Jericho close the show. I doubt they were thinking that was going to keep people around.
That's not the case at all. He lost against a veteran heel thanks to heel shenanigans. It's exactly how he should be losing. And Zayn's whole schtick is being an unbelievably capable underdog. It makes his wins even more valuable. All the time he's getting decent time and matches, he's doing well, and if people don't give a shit about his matches, they're not paying attention.
And Owens is allowed to lose in the main event of an international Raw against an established face, who has stood toe-to-toe with HHH in the last couple of months, without looking bad. The match was competitive, both men looked good, and if he'd won it might have made his match with Zayn at Payback look less credible.
Both men are borderline main eventers. No-one's getting buried here.
I thought Reigns was supposed to bring in a new audience. Werent Seth Rollins and Daniel Bryan called ratings kiler for that type of numbers ?
People put too much emphasis the champ's influence on ratings imo. On a three hour show, there's alot more going on than what the champ's up to.
But on a week where Raw is pretaped and the results are given away hours in advance on Twitter, and all major storyline progression happens within the first hour or two amyway, low ratings aren't surprising.
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