HE NEVER LOST IT BABAAAAAAY
WWE Royal Rumble 2013 |OT| On the road to Twice In A Lifetime
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Jmanunknown
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Your right Punk's gonna be fine. losing the title now after so long is ok. The worst thing that happened to him over the last two years was the kevin nash/triple h bs.
its gonna be interesting to see where he goes from here. he's probably gonna lose his rematch to rock or might not get it all and he probably will not beat the undertaker so he'll probably be on another one of his pay per view losing streaks.
Ryback has been booked as a joke though. He's literally lost every big match he's been in. Even though he's looked strong in all the matches a lost is still a lost. after all the hype and the big push he's gotten he's got nothing to show for it. No title reigns no big wins nothing.
Only problem I had with the match was that Punk didn't lose to a Rock Bottom. Other than that, that was how the match had to end. Punk getting beat by one of the greatest WWE stars of all time to end his streak is a good ending. It could have also been a jumping off point for a new star like Ziggler, but it didn't absolutely have to be like the people bitching and moaning think. God damn smarks.
Like I said, I'm not mad at Rock winning (it should have been the Rock Bottom considering he built a fucking promo around it on the last show before the PPV - "when you're in the air, your only thought will be 'it's. over.', etc"). I'm mad about 1) the contrived way he was set up to win (should have left the "RESTART THE MATCH" bs out of it) and 2) the end game. If this led to an extended Rock/Punk feud through WM, I'd be all for it. But it won't.
Spider from Mars
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Rock probably could have pinned him after the spine buster.
TheDrowningMan
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The nonsensical caveat that insists Cena can never turn heel really puts them in a bind in the sense that the product is going to be boring and stale until he loses the title, whenever that may be.
My workaround would be to have Rock and Punk in cahoots, hence the Shield interference and the obvious consequence of that. McMahon's meddling put paid to the planned climax, which led to the fast finish post restart. Under Heyman's watch, Hollywood Rock & CM Punk troll Cena and make his life a misery up until Wrestlemania, never letting him finish a promo without getting taken out by them or their three lackeys. Not only are they abusing Cena, they're treating the title with contempt but the two play the asshole SO well that it would make for great viewing. Rampant ego mania.
The important thing is that Cena just isn't given a chance to throw up any of his promos successfully. If he refuses to turn heel, he needs to somehow become a sympathetic face, and week in, week out mockery and abject torment is the best way for that. People start rooting for you.
Maybe you could work Lesnar into the story prior to Wrestlemania, have Cena - by now an almost sympathetic figure because he's been clowned so hard for so long - prevail in a grossly unfair fatal four way when Ryback interferes on his behalf, building towards Cena - Lesnar (the latter wins) before properly legitimising Ryback (dull as I think the character is) later in the year by having him win the title.
As for Punk, he calls out Terra Rizin' and, after months of promos chock full of chest puffing, defeats him for the first time. Cleanly. That, of course, is the biggest fantasy of all.
My workaround would be to have Rock and Punk in cahoots, hence the Shield interference and the obvious consequence of that. McMahon's meddling put paid to the planned climax, which led to the fast finish post restart. Under Heyman's watch, Hollywood Rock & CM Punk troll Cena and make his life a misery up until Wrestlemania, never letting him finish a promo without getting taken out by them or their three lackeys. Not only are they abusing Cena, they're treating the title with contempt but the two play the asshole SO well that it would make for great viewing. Rampant ego mania.
The important thing is that Cena just isn't given a chance to throw up any of his promos successfully. If he refuses to turn heel, he needs to somehow become a sympathetic face, and week in, week out mockery and abject torment is the best way for that. People start rooting for you.
Maybe you could work Lesnar into the story prior to Wrestlemania, have Cena - by now an almost sympathetic figure because he's been clowned so hard for so long - prevail in a grossly unfair fatal four way when Ryback interferes on his behalf, building towards Cena - Lesnar (the latter wins) before properly legitimising Ryback (dull as I think the character is) later in the year by having him win the title.
As for Punk, he calls out Terra Rizin' and, after months of promos chock full of chest puffing, defeats him for the first time. Cleanly. That, of course, is the biggest fantasy of all.
Cena not turning heel is just retarded, especially when the parallels with Hogan/nWo are right there with Cena/Shield and the motivation due to losing last years WM, and now its for the title. Its fucking money on the table, and its already written. I try not to be surprised by how stupid the WWE is, but its real hard.
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Because it brings in more money, and wrestling is a business, not an ego trip.*
* Supposed to be
He didn't think that originally.
He only did a 180 when he was booked to fight him at Royal Rumble.
Perspicacity
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Well yeah, he expected he could win this time so with higher buys he stood to win a bigger purse.
How could Punk have known he would lose?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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What difference does it make? I feel like some of you are in some strange meta world where the specifics of how things are structured are more important than the show just being entertaining.
That's the exact mentality that give smarks such a stigma. Personally, I don't have an issue with The People's Elbow finishing the match. That's the finisher I remember him using more often than not when he became a top guy.
As far as Punk goes, I'd guess that they'll do the mania match with him vs Undertaker and then give him some much needed time off after he probably loses. He was vocal about really wanting to take time off during a recent interview with Ariel Helwani.
The show is not entertaining, it's boring. Cena being heel would make the show entertaining. It would completely change the landscape in a major way. I'm not really concerned about dissecting things behind the scenes, I just want a product that makes me want to watch week in, week out like the old days.
FallingEdge
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Watch other feds besides WWE?
Arrowgigantic
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Jericho and Punk's angle was the best part of Punk's face run after HHH and Nash sucked up the initial tidal wave into their vortex of stupid, so I don't understand this "Jericho's last run sucked" stuff.
EDIT: I should say, other than those random champ vs. champ matches with D. Brine.
EDIT: I should say, other than those random champ vs. champ matches with D. Brine.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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It is boring. It will continue to be boring even when what you want happens. Entertainment value comes from compelling storylines and strong characters, and nothing Cena ever does will be relevant.
If half the crowd already boos or is apathetic toward him, what difference does it make if he starts cheating to win?
Perspicacity
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That angle was kinda stupid though. It's like they were reaching for Punk/Raven but decided to remove everything that was interesting about that feud. The best part of Punk's face run was the best of 7 series with D Bry
Well, they could come up with more compelling storylines if he's a heel. Batista started not sucking when he turned. Same with Eve. That and hopefully they would change his match bookings. "Random instant no sell for the win" isn't really a heel finish.
Professor Beef
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If that was the best part of Punk's face run, then that's not really saying a whole lot.
No I'm not really a big wrestling fan. I was into TNA a bit a while back when they were putting on some phenomenal matches at the time, but that's about it.
I know it's sacrilege to say, but unlike most (like 99% of people) I actually think Cena is quite talented, particularly so on the mic.
He is completely hamstrung by his current gimmick. That's the problem. Remove those contraints and you'll have someone entirely different.
Nocturnowl
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Remember that time Punk walked into a pub and Jericho accused him of drinking? it was incredible.
funkystudent
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Jericho's last run was good.
He came. Made everyone he wrestled look GREAT and then he left.
He spent a good solid 8 months making the younger guys look good and put them over. He still had great matches that reminded you why he his great aswell.
Its just a shame none of those young guys are ever going to get a decent main event push while Cena is around.
He came. Made everyone he wrestled look GREAT and then he left.
He spent a good solid 8 months making the younger guys look good and put them over. He still had great matches that reminded you why he his great aswell.
Its just a shame none of those young guys are ever going to get a decent main event push while Cena is around.
Professor Beef
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Or when Punk took a field sobriety test in the ring! Boy, I was on the edge of my seat.
Nocturnowl
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I actually forgot about this, damn you Beef.
Brotista was already better than him as a face though. He wasn't so cookie cutter. The heel Batista was basically the face Batista but with a larger volume and added arrogance. The problem with face Batista was that they were too careful about protecting their precious Undertaker in 2007, and they didn't know what to do with him after that rivalry. So, he just went steamrolling every one in his way without any meaningful rivalry outside of the Shawn Michaels one.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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The character is more important than if they are cheered or booed. Batista as a heel sucked, but the Brotista character was classic. Batista as a face also sucked, but his character's story when he challenged HHH was classic.
It's all about the story and characters. Cena is generically talented, but he'll never be anything. He doesn't have a Brotista, Kurt Angle, heel Austin, or even Punk in him. His memorable feuds were based entirely on how much better and more accepted his opponents were over him, not because of anything Cena himself ever did.
Kano on the Phone
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The want for Cena as a heel makes no sense. He was a heel for a long time and it was just him calling people gay; it isn't like he was "1004 Holds" era Chris Jericho.
Lambda Pie
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the problem is not Cena turning heel, is Cena being there, period. the man is a black hole of entertainment, sucking way the energy the show has.
i wish someone had the balls to stiff him, some guy before leaving the company just kneeing the shit out of Cena's face.
Brock was my man to do it but then he signed a new deal...
i wish someone had the balls to stiff him, some guy before leaving the company just kneeing the shit out of Cena's face.
Brock was my man to do it but then he signed a new deal...
UberTag
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We used to want Cena to turn heel. The novelty of that idea went away sometime around 2009-10.
Now we just want him to GO AWAY.
Whomever said this should be the defacto chant for Cena matches last night has the right idea.
If you can't turn away from the ring and remain absolutely deathly silent like my suggestion (and to be fair, this only works if you're the best, most excitable crowd ever for everything else), then a "Go Away" chant isn't a bad alternative.
Professor Beef
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The problem is that the management could easily spin those chants to mean that you want Cena's opponent to go away. You have to add Cena's name into it, but therein lies a NEW problem: how to make a 5-syllable chant sound good.
Perspicacity
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Gooo-Away Cena Go-Away *Clap Clap*
Lambda Pie
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fuck off Cena clap clap clap
fuck off Cena clap clap clap
there you go.
fuck off Cena clap clap clap
there you go.
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
"GO AWAY JOHN CENA YOU'RE THE WORST WRESTLER IN THE WORLD, YOU'RE IN WAY WORSE SHAPE THEN TYLER BLACK!"
That chant will take the smirk off his face.
That chant will take the smirk off his face.
FallingEdge
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It's like all the members of NeckBeardWrassleGAF is inside of his body.
I remember laughing uproariously when it was revealed WWE has a rule where its wrestlers aren't allowed to drink alcohol up to 24 hours before the show.
Or wait til Cena's alone in the ring doing a stupid promo. Tell him to go away even while he's talking, or when the kids are chanting, chant it until he's not in the ring anymore.
I know. I just wish the majority of the audience didn't suck.
funkystudent
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That was 6 and a half years ago and its amazing how little Cena has changed
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
He jumped off the top rope! He used to do cool things once a year.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
He said collusion!
shit wrong thread
shit wrong thread
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