X-Men Apocalypse Review Thread
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the movie looks like a lot of things but cheap isn't one of them
Yeezus H. Christ
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Really? Trailers' CGI make it look like some SyFy bullshit.
Effigenius
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This isn't real surprising, but it's disappointing none the less.
Glass Rebel
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I mean, I really hope they've realized that all that Earth/Midgard shit with Jane isn't working. It was alright in Thor 1 but I didn't care for it at all in Thor 2.
Whedon
Yeezus H. Christ
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I'm sure we're all aware the only reason we give Hemsworth the paint is because of the MCU. Well that, and Hollywood loves its mediocre handsome white guys.
There have been rumblings about Natalie Portman/Jane not being back for Thor Ragnarok. Not sure if confirmed or not.
I knew he wanted to destroy the entire place and eventually cause world destruction but I missed that it was intended as a comet to do just that. lmao
I have seen someone on GAF say this sort of thing about every big budget CGI heavy film released in the last several years. I am sure if I search hard enough, I can find someone from 2009/2010 claiming that AVATAR had shit CGI.
Worst case scenario is probably going to be about $175M domestic and $600M worldwide. MAYBE a bit lower than that domestically, but I don't see overseas dropping too much.
What the....what the hell happened???? I thought this movie is a sure quality due to Singer. Scullibundo assured me this movie will be better than DOFP due X2 team returning.
Brett Ratner, Matthew Vaughn...
Yeah, I dunno.
Yeah, I dunno.
Bobby Roberts
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That's sorta surprising honestly.
Usually it's either preceded, or immediately followed by "now I have watched the whole movie" too.
DOFP was $200M. I would imagine that all of the major players got hefty salary bumps after the performance of that film. Enough to offset not paying for some of the old x-cast.
Dougherty and Harris were only consultants when Singer and Kinberg were first breaking the story. The screenplay was, again, just written by Kinberg so it's not all that surprising the movie is apparently sloppy.
Yeezus H. Christ
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Wonder if they're going to do a whole backstory thing with Thanos.
Bobby Roberts
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I didn't know it was that much, either.
Singer has let a budget get away from him more than a few times, too.
Norton>Ruffalo. Plus Liv Tyler.
Incredible Hulk isn't even the second worst MCU movie.
Finaika
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It looks like a TV show.
The scriptwriters already assured us that they will cover Thanos story and make viewers care about him.
Jorok Goldblade
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I don't know if its been stated outright, but it can be inferred from the fact that Tessa Thompson has been cast as Thor's new love interest.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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He probably didn't help much, but yeah, that movie was destined to be fucked.
Wow I'm legit shocked at the early impressions. I loved all of Singer's Xmen films so it's unfortunate that Apocalypse took a step back. I still think it will do better than DoFP in the BO. The quality of the previous movie usually raises ticket sales for the sequel regardless of the sequel's quality (looking at SM3 & X3).
Listening to the Collided crews' review and you can just hear how disappointed they were with X:A. I don't tend to agree with Campea often, but I completely agreed with his Xmen ranking movie for movie (sans until I see X:A myself).
Listening to the Collided crews' review and you can just hear how disappointed they were with X:A. I don't tend to agree with Campea often, but I completely agreed with his Xmen ranking movie for movie (sans until I see X:A myself).
Kinberg did such a good job on Xmen 3 and F4ntasic! Cough.
roflwaffles
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That's what the general consensus seems like. It's not so much that it's a omfg horrible movie like BVS, but it's just...dull.
So yeah, pretty bad. BVS lets you talk about it afterward but from the reviews I've seen, it just sounds like a waste of time, which might actually be worse for the genre.
itwasTuesday
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Watched two youtube reviews. Outlook not good.
Though both enjoyed the beginning scene, which is a staple for Singer's x-heros.
Though both enjoyed the beginning scene, which is a staple for Singer's x-heros.
And the dude gets Star Wars Rebels too. /cry
Much like Orci and Kurtzman, it shows that in this biz, it's about who you know, not what you can do.
Yeezus H. Christ
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Really? Link?
kunonabi
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DOFP looked super cheap and this only looks marginally better really.
Prepare to be surprised.....
But she won't be in this...
What? Noooo Q_Q
Well, I mean, it's got a 5.5 average on RT while BvS has a 4.9. They're both right there in the middle of the road.
mariachi507
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This makes me sad.
Jack Remington
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Bet this is still a lot better than Iron Man 3 or Thor 2.
I got you, bro.
But she won't be in this...
Yeah, she should've been. I really liked her even though she had basically no dialogue whatsoever.
roflwaffles
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When John Campea doesn't think a superhero movie is all that good, you know something is wrong.
The man liked ASM2, MOS, and BVS.
The man liked ASM2, MOS, and BVS.
I'll try to answer as best as I can.
I don't think Singer's X-men movies are completely bereft of what's core to the comics but there are definitely areas where they are sorely lacking - not as films but as an adaptation. Singer gets a lot of stuff right though. His casting is usually pretty good, he incorporates franchise staples like Cerebro and the school very well, everyone's powers work as they should more or less, he keeps the central conflict on point, and he understands Xavier and Magneto. That last point is probably his greatest strength in terms of adapting the source material.
Where he falls short though are some of the more intimate aspects of the X-men. While all the pieces are there, most of the relationships are a superficial facsimile at best, especially in his first two movies. That's because the first two movies use Logan as the POV character and primary protagonist without ever really establishing his role among the X-men. He's still an outsider in X1 and X2, a loner who plays by his own rules. What Singer fails to establish is a sense of family and belonging the X-men are meant to represent. Logan never really becomes part of that family in either of the first X-men movies. This would be fine if Logan weren't the center point to both those films but unfortunately that's how they're constructed. The result is this constant outside looking in perspective which makes the sense of teamwork and unity that's core to the franchise notably absent. There was nothing inherently wrong with making Logan the central protagonist but he never really makes him an X-man. Logan doesn't live at the mansion, he doesn't train with the X-men, and he fails to develop strong believable bonds with the other characters.
When you look at it that way, it's easy to see why so many of the relationships feel off. Logan continually creeps on Jean but why? He has like three conversations with her in X1 before leaving and about the same in X2 before she dies. And it's not like they develop any of their relationship off screen, we literally see everything that ever happens between them because the movies follow Logan so closely. So where does this deep seeded love for Jean come from? This problem extends to his relationship with Cyclops and Storm as well. He's supposed to be rivals with Cyclops but they should also develop a mutual respect between one another and a bond over their love of Jean. That never happens and instead they never go beyond merely hating each other. Logan and Storm's relationship is even worse considering it's basically nonexistent despite their history of being incredibly close in the comics.
So Logan is the center of these movies and yet his relationships with everyone are shallow at best. Everything about them is told to the viewer instead of shown or developed on screen. And with such a strong emphasis on Logan the outsider, Singer spends most of his energy making sure Logan looks badass instead of developing any kind of group dynamic either on or off the battlefield. So Storm, Cyclops, and Jean all get their moments to show off their powers but never as a coordinated team because that doesn't work when Logan fights alone all the time. Instead what you mostly get from them are these brief snippets of special effects in lieu of compelling action sequences. The vast majority of the standout action in X1 and X2 is centered around Logan fighting by his lonesome.
I want to reiterate here that most of this doesn't make for a bad movie if you're willing to focus solely on Logan like Singer wants you to. But if you care at all about doing the other characters justice, you're sore out of luck. To make matters worse, Singer also liked to throw in popular characters as glorified cameos or just shells of their actual comicbook counterparts. Seeing Colossus in X2 for something like five seconds was such a cocktease. Kitty Pryde is in X1 sorta kinda not really. Lady Deathstrike is a major villain in X2 but shares no similarities with her comicbook character apart from her claws. That just stings because the movies can't even get the core relationships right but still flaunts these other beloved characters in front of you. The major exception is Xavier and Magneto whose relationship is pretty damn good. I thought Singer nailed their dynamic in all his films.
I hope that helped illustrate how these movies feel a little hollow. Again, not necessarily as films but definitely as X-men movies. I should also point out that a lot of these problems were much improved in DoFP - mostly because of the decreased focus on Logan and the use of Xavier and Magneto to drive the story forward.
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