Xbone: Microsoft blames the media for consumer rage.
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Projectjustice
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Angry Joe is awesome!
Unknown Soldier
Member
Godwin at post 77. Pack it up boys, we're done here.
That1BlackGuy
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH and now they blame the media!
Zero humility.... so, again
This is too funny.
On Topic: It all falls down to communication, even if the media misconstrues your message you can clarify it. It's not that hard yet large corporations fall in the trap time and time again and feed their PR department to the wolves. Not taking sides, just saying.
I cant disagree but its also not difficult to see how they hit that conclusion.
Phil says this. Media reports it. MS says reports are inaccurate.
In reality, they shouldve just said that Phil was incorrect.
That's a pretty silly article. All MS is saying, "We're not ready to talk about it.". They're not whining. They're not complaining. Just not announcing final details about how its all going to work. MS wasn't clear in it's communication, so they sorta have brought the speculation on this, but it's still gamers and some media that are stating facts like "you can't turn the camera off. Its always spying on you. Lol".
Freezie KO
Banned
The press has been kind to MS compared to the actual consumers.
When you're detached from games and watching the press conference, it really IS wholly reasonable to go "this looks like it might be a good product!" because it really does within just the context of that, even if certain aspects don't appeal to me at all. It's when you start cutting deeper that you start to question its actual worth period, even with the game aspect disregarded.
GoofsterStud
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You didn't money hat hard enough Microsoft.
Almost... Maybe next time.
Almost... Maybe next time.
baxter2231
Member
oh i did see that but thought it was a ms employees tweet, it was funny before but even more now lol
Microsoft, you had months of bad rumors in forums and media regarding always-online / no-used games. You did not prepare your key people to answer inevitable questions about those things. The outrage and confusion is all your fault.
Seriously, it's amazing how out of touch with core gamers and gaming media MS is proving to be. They had the "exam questions" sent to them in advance and still managed to fail.
Seriously, it's amazing how out of touch with core gamers and gaming media MS is proving to be. They had the "exam questions" sent to them in advance and still managed to fail.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Once they give every person in the audience an Xbone the articles will become significantly sunnier.
dragonbane
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This one is the parody account, for anyone who might actually take it seriously.
Photoshopped, right? He has a different picture on his (protected) page, and it's been there for awhile. Don't see him flipping back to throw that out then switch to the new one, and in his position I'd stay deathly quiet anyway.
EDIT: Or parody. Man, someone went to that trouble?
I wouldn't be surprised if at this point they'd be notably insulted instead, before they were doing mostly fine and at worst Kinect just wasn't something appealing to them but not actively BAD, here this is a different story.
dragonbane
Member
No fun allowed :/
I don't have a problem with you posting it, I just get annoyed by the inevitable 100 posts following asking if it's real or not. Figured I would get that out of the way at the beginning.
His reviews are the best on YouTube, I think. He really puts a lot of work into it, high production values and I find his personality humorous and likable. I don't pay much attention to his industry commentary either, but his game reviews are thumbs up.
TheBaronOfNA
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They guy already got his flak. Let him be.
MS jumped the shark in all aspects except for one: a killer gamepad that trumps the dualshock.
The hardware sucks. Note how John Carmack praised the PS4 but is silent on xbone.
The software focus sucks. All the bloat from the TV functionality.
The hostility towards consummers regarding physical media and used games. This is a great reminder why optical formats like blu-ray are good for consummers.
The hardware sucks. Note how John Carmack praised the PS4 but is silent on xbone.
The software focus sucks. All the bloat from the TV functionality.
The hostility towards consummers regarding physical media and used games. This is a great reminder why optical formats like blu-ray are good for consummers.
I actually got tired of his rant before very long, it was definitely just angry rambling after a night of no sleep, whereas Francis at least had a prepared act kept down to a short period of time.
I'd say that's up for debate, but I prefer having both as options. Even if this time I'd probably just be using that controller only on PC.
Isn't that what this is:
"The ability to trade in and resell games is important to gamers and to Xbox. Xbox One is designed to support the trade in and resale of games. Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete. We will disclose more information in the near future."
Beermeister
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RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH and now they blame the media!
Zero humility.... so, again
Oh man, I haven't seen this version of the gif. Brilliant! XD
Yeah, f anything I've found media articles to be spun positive for the most part
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
I just read that article... but um... I don't see where microsoft is really blaming the media for (or even admitting there is) any public outcry of discontent.
Kind of taking a real leap there, the author, and doing some reading between the lines. MS' current activity is abhorrent, but the premise of this article seems quite a stretch.
Kind of taking a real leap there, the author, and doing some reading between the lines. MS' current activity is abhorrent, but the premise of this article seems quite a stretch.
Clearly...
PopcornMegaphone
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Uh, that's a hilariously sensationalist title given the actual MS quote in the article.
This is the worst version of this classic GIF I have ever seen. I want to find the person who slapped the hahahahahahah all over it and thought "Yup, that makes it better!".
IISANDERII
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Wait, i haven't seen MS release any statements apportioning blame to anybody. Did they actually?
KidGalactus
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So, the Xbox 1 reveal not only diffused the WiiU death squads, but the loljournalism crew as well.
The whole thing is a farce, alright, but it's unifying power is beyond denying.
The whole thing is a farce, alright, but it's unifying power is beyond denying.
No, this guy just took a mild implication at worst and extrapolated. I've seen someone else bring up Jim Sterling's story and that better encapsulates the problems here.
There's definitely been some defending this, but "I wrote PR for dummies!" aside I don't think any are actual shills, they just really feel that way. And may be assholes too, it really doesn't help the tone some of those in defense of this have.
googleplex
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Microsoft can come out on stage at E3 and announce that every XBone comes with a blow job app, and I still wouldn't give a fuck at this point.
Kind of. Still the overall point is valid though.
SenjutsuSage
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There were more responsible sites that waited to get proper information and gathered enough facts and understanding of what was being said before reporting something. Other sites, however, were nothing short of sensationalist, saying things that were either blatantly false, never uttered from Microsoft's own mouth, or was completely wild speculation with very little to support their wild speculation.
If they were really doing their jobs, they would all (and some have done indeed done this, so this criticism surely does not apply to them all) be crystal clear about the fact that Sony hasn't entirely put this to rest or had to answer all the same exact questions that Microsoft has, either. There were times when Sony seemed to have put the question to rest for good, and then there were other times where they hedged on the issue quite a bit, implying that they may be planning something as well, and the key difference between what the game media has done in that case compared to what they have done in Microsoft's case is that they've more or less accepted Sony's answers or sometimes cryptic hedges as much ado about nothing, meanwhile most of what Microsoft has been saying is treated as an outright lie or yet another reason to stir up or exaggerate a controversy.
Just to be clear, there are sites that have not been guilty of this and have, in my view, been rather fair and leveled the appropriate amount of heavy criticism at Microsoft on this issue and the confusion they've caused due to their lack of having it all together when they've had months leading up to this to properly prepare their answers. Some other sites, however, have been no better than your average forum troll.
Credit goes to sites such as
Arstechnica
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/...hat-microsoft-isnt-saying-about-the-xbox-one/
Gamasutra has also been pretty damn fantastic, in my view, throughout this entire thing. They had harsh criticisms, but they were offered up in a fair and very balanced way that didn't seem intent solely on feeding off of forum anger for extra clicks.
Gameindustry.biz is yet another site that has done a good job. And notice I'm not singling out sites that have been kissing Microsoft's behind. I'm pointing out sites that have, in my view, gone above and beyond and put out both sides of the issue and have actually given not just critics of Microsoft a chance to express their views, but have also allowed people willing to speak to the opposite side of the spectrum a platform to express their views also.
There are quite a few more that did a rather good job, and I won't even waste my time on what I think are mostly sites run by trolls willing to say anything to get some extra clicks going to their site. In fact, there have been indie developers implying that there are sites out there that purposely don't allow them to express their view on their site because they would paint a very different picture of what Microsoft's relationship is with indie game developers. Is that real journalism? Is that the "media" doing it's job? I sure as hell don't think so.
If they were really doing their jobs, they would all (and some have done indeed done this, so this criticism surely does not apply to them all) be crystal clear about the fact that Sony hasn't entirely put this to rest or had to answer all the same exact questions that Microsoft has, either. There were times when Sony seemed to have put the question to rest for good, and then there were other times where they hedged on the issue quite a bit, implying that they may be planning something as well, and the key difference between what the game media has done in that case compared to what they have done in Microsoft's case is that they've more or less accepted Sony's answers or sometimes cryptic hedges as much ado about nothing, meanwhile most of what Microsoft has been saying is treated as an outright lie or yet another reason to stir up or exaggerate a controversy.
Just to be clear, there are sites that have not been guilty of this and have, in my view, been rather fair and leveled the appropriate amount of heavy criticism at Microsoft on this issue and the confusion they've caused due to their lack of having it all together when they've had months leading up to this to properly prepare their answers. Some other sites, however, have been no better than your average forum troll.
Credit goes to sites such as
Arstechnica
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/...hat-microsoft-isnt-saying-about-the-xbox-one/
Gamasutra has also been pretty damn fantastic, in my view, throughout this entire thing. They had harsh criticisms, but they were offered up in a fair and very balanced way that didn't seem intent solely on feeding off of forum anger for extra clicks.
Gameindustry.biz is yet another site that has done a good job. And notice I'm not singling out sites that have been kissing Microsoft's behind. I'm pointing out sites that have, in my view, gone above and beyond and put out both sides of the issue and have actually given not just critics of Microsoft a chance to express their views, but have also allowed people willing to speak to the opposite side of the spectrum a platform to express their views also.
There are quite a few more that did a rather good job, and I won't even waste my time on what I think are mostly sites run by trolls willing to say anything to get some extra clicks going to their site. In fact, there have been indie developers implying that there are sites out there that purposely don't allow them to express their view on their site because they would paint a very different picture of what Microsoft's relationship is with indie game developers. Is that real journalism? Is that the "media" doing it's job? I sure as hell don't think so.
If they weren't ready to talk about it why were a number of executives at the event doing just that? It's utterly ridiculous to come at it from this angle. It's either backtracking and trying to get a handle on the messaging of the policies (meaning they won't change and MS just screwed up prettying it up for everyone) or the worse case of wire-crossing, and people apparently missing meetings where decisions are made, I've ever seen.
The point is sorta because of hyperbole. "Reports are inaccurate because we haven't told the full story yet. We will reveal that information at a carefully chosen event/date" does not equal, "MS blames media". The article starts it, people spread it based on what they want to be true.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Exactly, it's sensationalist garbage and anyone can see that.
Sony has already said something about the privacy of the new PS Eye?
Sony has already said something about used games?
I lost it
Agree. At it's core it's just blaming Microsoft PR, but the way they did is sensationalist.