SneakyStephan
Banned
Seems to be a typo in title btw, should be consumer rape, because that's what they're doing to us.
Xbone: Microsoft blames the media for consumer rage.
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Probably wont do much but i have started contacting consumer rights groups about all this mess, if nothing else I can see the camera being an issue for many people so if any of these groups are willing to look into this, and help fight it then its worth the time in my opinion.
The whole class action lawsuit ban was a sham, anf this situation is ripe for it when it goes down honestly. I can see allot of people buying this, not really knowimg what they are buying, and getting quite a few wake up calls about what they have. If these issues can spill out into the mainstream media the better chance of MS flinching I think.
The whole class action lawsuit ban was a sham, anf this situation is ripe for it when it goes down honestly. I can see allot of people buying this, not really knowimg what they are buying, and getting quite a few wake up calls about what they have. If these issues can spill out into the mainstream media the better chance of MS flinching I think.
I would not sneeze at 1.4Mil views for that video and he has a huge viewer base, he is far more than just some youtube random.
Jesus dude, where do you think you are? Pick up that pitchfork and torch on the double, before somebody notices!!
All kidding aside, I'm with you. In the end it's all about the games.
Its depressing that people are willing to bend over and take what they are given for more Halo, or any game for that matter. To each their own though.
JrBaconCheeseburger
Member
You are right and this is why i mentioned i want to see what they come out saying at E3, They surely are going to do something different than what originally planned.
This has given them some bad press and they do not like it one bit.
I read the article and the quotes they supplied, which we all have read by now. Where exactly does MS blame the media? Nelson said there was some mis information out there (there wasn't?) and he wanted to clear some shit up. Ok. If I missed the quote from MS where they say"
"We blame the media for this backlash from dorks with nothing better to do than worry about the extra 50 bucks a year they may spend because they can't buy a used game. Invasion of privacy? Do you think people want to see your overweight ass covered in cheeto dust hurling racial slurs to 14 year olds? Oh yeah, we want to steal that valuable consumer information from the cheapest, no money having, ramen noodle eating, no car, no home, no equity owning group on the planet. Yay, they bitch about us charging 3 bucks a month for an online service, yup, they are our target, look out guys, we're coming for that milk crate you currently use for a nightstand. Oh, it's about the principle? About us being a greedy corporation? Yeah, that's right, we never give back. Please, don't look up how much MS has given to charity. Don't do it!! Oh yeah, and Bill Gates, what a cock. Please don't look up how much he's given. But he's gone you say, well, I guess he took all that giving with him....uh huh...don't look it up!!!! We're not letting you own what you paid for? Ok, there's a solution. DON"T BUY OUR SHIT!! There's two other companies making video games. Go to them. I'm sure Sony is going to offer everything you want, because they are the GOOD corporation. They hate money and love you. They want to make games and services so that you are happy. Go, there's the fucking door. Go to them. We are not a tax, we are not forcing ourselves on you. Fuck, I wish you guys were more concerned about the IRS targeting innocent people just because of their political leanings, but who are we kidding, you guys don't make enough to even pay an income tax."
I want to see that! People would lose their shit.
"We blame the media for this backlash from dorks with nothing better to do than worry about the extra 50 bucks a year they may spend because they can't buy a used game. Invasion of privacy? Do you think people want to see your overweight ass covered in cheeto dust hurling racial slurs to 14 year olds? Oh yeah, we want to steal that valuable consumer information from the cheapest, no money having, ramen noodle eating, no car, no home, no equity owning group on the planet. Yay, they bitch about us charging 3 bucks a month for an online service, yup, they are our target, look out guys, we're coming for that milk crate you currently use for a nightstand. Oh, it's about the principle? About us being a greedy corporation? Yeah, that's right, we never give back. Please, don't look up how much MS has given to charity. Don't do it!! Oh yeah, and Bill Gates, what a cock. Please don't look up how much he's given. But he's gone you say, well, I guess he took all that giving with him....uh huh...don't look it up!!!! We're not letting you own what you paid for? Ok, there's a solution. DON"T BUY OUR SHIT!! There's two other companies making video games. Go to them. I'm sure Sony is going to offer everything you want, because they are the GOOD corporation. They hate money and love you. They want to make games and services so that you are happy. Go, there's the fucking door. Go to them. We are not a tax, we are not forcing ourselves on you. Fuck, I wish you guys were more concerned about the IRS targeting innocent people just because of their political leanings, but who are we kidding, you guys don't make enough to even pay an income tax."
I want to see that! People would lose their shit.
The pressure doesn't look like it's going to stop either. I hope this changes their policies.
-Plasma Reus-
Service guarantees member status
Except its not. There is no single game worth giving up your rights as a consumer. This is terrible logic.
IsntChrisL
Member
Indeed. I don't give a shit if Microsoft moneyhats half the industry for a slew of AAA exclusives. I will not support a console that has none of my interests in mind.
Night_Trekker
Member
MS needs to start spinning fast.
They tried, it didn't work.
For once I am actually siding with the media on this. They for the most accurately presented the info provided by MS (to the best of their abilities, MS was vague and dodgy as fuck). They even asked the hard ball questions on always online/DRM/used games etc.
MS has no one to blame but themselves.
MS has no one to blame but themselves.
Unknown Soldier
Member
The problem was that not a single MS person could actually explain how anything worked. You can't spin if everyone in the room isn't even on the same page of talking points!
The problem is that explaining how it works would be telling people that it works exactly the way the public doesn't want it to work.
So they've reverted to trying to spin out the power of the cloud bullshit as some sort of, "no really, you WANT this intrusion!"
There is no way to spin it, and telling the truth is confirming the worst rumors.
cityhunter
Banned
Good luck playing them!
krypt0nian
Banned
You're part of the industry bubble I guess.
This has been my impression. General media has been pretty positive about XBone, while the gaming media a little more skeptical, but not much. The gaming media seem to have shifted with their base a little bit.
And it is fun reading comments on any article about Xbone. So much hate. MS is the Sith of Gaming.
Media: "Hey sheeps, why don't you let Microsoft fuck you over?"
Microsoft: "Hey media, don't tell them that we want to fuck them over!"
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
lol
EdwardTivrusky
Member
Maybe MS think they haven't been spinning it enough?
Mind you they could spin the Xbone enough to power a small town and i'd still be leaning towards Sony as my first choice next-gen.
Sony are going to have to match or exceed Microsoft's rumoured policies for me to have a real choice to make. Perhaps MS should have made their follow up responses a bit clearer than "We haven't really decided yet."?
There's some great tech in the Xbone but i'm waiting for the games and clarification of policy before i jump in.
Yes, article titles that say things like "Always Online DRM Now 100% Confirmed" and "Microsoft is KILLING used games" are preventing people from having a clear and calm view of the situation.
If Microsoft called that out, then they're 100% right, and I don't think they're being bitter. Just pointing out reality.
But it's dumb to point that out, as people will attack you from said unclear and not calm point of view. "Oh boy M$, now you're just getting in trouble for implementing this system", the people will say, oblivious to the fact that none of these things that the press is making a fuss about to get your clicks (as is their right, I suppose) have been officially detailed, and are, according to several sources, still in deliberation at MS headquarters.
So yeah, this will fuel a few more days/weeks of hate, even though in a perfect world it really shouldn't.
If Microsoft called that out, then they're 100% right, and I don't think they're being bitter. Just pointing out reality.
But it's dumb to point that out, as people will attack you from said unclear and not calm point of view. "Oh boy M$, now you're just getting in trouble for implementing this system", the people will say, oblivious to the fact that none of these things that the press is making a fuss about to get your clicks (as is their right, I suppose) have been officially detailed, and are, according to several sources, still in deliberation at MS headquarters.
So yeah, this will fuel a few more days/weeks of hate, even though in a perfect world it really shouldn't.
For me, I seriously don't give a shit about the things most of you are raging about. I'm buying an XB1 day one for the media capabilities and exclusives. I just kinda want the epicaricratic delight of seeing your reaction to what I see as a non-issue.
Oh, and OP is 100% inaccurate. Nothing in that article refers to anyone ascribing blame to anyone, however much you may want the lol MS narrative to continue.
It's not that I actually feel sorry for Microsoft, the whole clusterf is their own doing, but it's obvious the system they've put in place for used games isn't something which can be easily explained in 1 or 2 sentences. So their PR goons are left with mealy mouthed platitudes or simple "we're not ready to talk about this yet" both of which leave them looking shifty.
Of course, you do have to wonder if user/vendor interaction is so complicated that it cannot be easily explained, is it actually worth doing on a mass market platform?
Of course, you do have to wonder if user/vendor interaction is so complicated that it cannot be easily explained, is it actually worth doing on a mass market platform?
you think anyone cares what you buy? wow.
I don't want a "Lol Microsoft" narrative to continue. In fact, I'd be thrilled to see it stop.
But the trend that I do want to see end is the "LOL customers, who needs 'em?" narrative from game publishers, which is a narrative being enabled by these Xbox One policies.
What's also depressing though, is that people will take up more pitchforks to tape on top of their previous pitchforks because they didn't bother to read the article and just went by a pretty misleading title.
All this piece has is a damage control/PR statement by Hyrb we all read like two days ago, and it didn't generate that much reaction at the time (besides obvious mocking of MS' own inaccuracy). So yeah, this whole situation is a royal clusterfuck, MS is responsible for its own awesome fuck-up of the forever, and Hyrb's statement is pretty stupid, but "M$ BLAMING GAMING MEDIAS" is a bit of an hyperbolic title.
And that comes from a guy who doesn't like MS very much in the first place (Team Cerny, etc.).
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
It might be. But you wouldn't get that impression from the first things they decided to sow us.
It also is worth not forgiving and forgetting when all of our rights as consumers are trampled on and the corporate dick waving just ends up with us getting creamed. On.
oldergamer
Member
I do agree that MS putting out conflicting messages is only part of the problem. However, the media has picked up on and reported that "MS will not allow used games" LONG before MS was even able to comment on it, which I think is what MS is complaining about that fostered so much negativity before they even settled thier own policy (This thread is a perfect example. Are the media complaining factually? or is this just the media making something bigger out of their response then it is?)
Hydrargyrus
Member
Yep.
That's why they've blocked the youtube comments. They don't want the press to comment in that channel, messing all up
That's why they've blocked the youtube comments. They don't want the press to comment in that channel, messing all up
You are underestimating the power of youtube personalities. TotalBiscuit influence is such is he can make or break an Indie developer.
oldergamer
Member
For lending games between friends, all MS really needs is to allow you to temporarily lend your license to somebody for say 48 hours before it automatically is reassigned back. If your friend wants to borrow for more time, you assign it for another 48 hours or something along those lines.
Anyway the media and forum dwellers have really taken the negativity to new highs. and fostered a lot of bad ideas that may or may not be true. this article just does that more!
Anyway the media and forum dwellers have really taken the negativity to new highs. and fostered a lot of bad ideas that may or may not be true. this article just does that more!
blitzcloud
Banned
Lol MS. I think we all saw your reveal video without anyone from the media saying anything. and it was still bad. When asked questions by the media, you couldn't provide answers.
Welcome to your own sony 2006.
How does it feel?
Welcome to your own sony 2006.
How does it feel?
EYEL1NER
Member
Yep. If anything, the media is partly to blame for there not being enough consumer rage.
oldergamer
Member
See this is the retarded talk. You waive these rights when purchasing the system and agreeing to the terms of service! Is this with an issue of the camera being on, or the mic being on when the system is in a non powered state?
This is like you want to sue Sony for making a camera that listen and watch you when it's pointed at you. this isn't anything about privacy really. As you have yet to know it's limitations because it's 5 months away from release!
GrotesqueBeauty
Banned
You unlock this door with the key of obtuseness. Beyond it is another dimension: a dimension of corporate apologists, a dimension of willful ignorance, a dimension of fanboys. You're moving into a land of both posting and failing, of rationalizing and denying. You've just crossed over into... the Xbone Zone.
While the article itself is reaching, Major Nelson stating reports about policies are inaccurate is to be blamed on Microsoft alone. They've had a very long time (Kotaku broke the used game rumour 16 months ago) to read the reaction to used games, mandatory Kinect, always online DRM and prepare a clear and concise message on what exactly the system entails, why they're doing it and how it benefits consumers. It's not like the leaks were total fiction, either. Besides the obvious it was reported that the Xbone wouldn't work without Kinect, the 500GB couldn't be replaced and that 3 of the 8GB of memory would be dedicated to the OS and apps. If they came out during the press conference and said "look, always online is part of our new cloud infrastructure, but it allows us to utilise the cloud in interesting ways like [show's a tangible gameplay example of how the cloud improves Call of Duty / Halo / new IP / whatever]" I think some people would have been fine with that. Not everyone, but it sure as shit would not have led to the outrage we're seeing now. Address that shit directly; control the message.
Instead, the press was given access to anyone at Microsoft who felt like talking. Phil Harrison, Yusuf Mehdi, Don Mattrick, Matt Booty, Major Nelson, John Link, Jeremy Hinton, etc. People in different positions in different divisions in different continents were all saying different things. What's Kotaku meant to do when a fucking Corporate Vice President tells them that the Xbone has to be online every 24 hours? Call President of Interactive Media Don Mattrick, who was off telling The Wall Street Journal if you're backwards compatible you're really backwards, to confirm? Or Vice President of Interactive Media Yusuf Mehdi, who was telling OXM that next gen consoles could sell a billion units combined and the RROD will be replaced by a BSOD? Or General Manager of Redmond Games Studios Matt Booty, who was telling Adam Sessler the same story Phil Harrison told Eurogamer? These are key figures at Microsoft; of course the press will report what they say.
Instead, the press was given access to anyone at Microsoft who felt like talking. Phil Harrison, Yusuf Mehdi, Don Mattrick, Matt Booty, Major Nelson, John Link, Jeremy Hinton, etc. People in different positions in different divisions in different continents were all saying different things. What's Kotaku meant to do when a fucking Corporate Vice President tells them that the Xbone has to be online every 24 hours? Call President of Interactive Media Don Mattrick, who was off telling The Wall Street Journal if you're backwards compatible you're really backwards, to confirm? Or Vice President of Interactive Media Yusuf Mehdi, who was telling OXM that next gen consoles could sell a billion units combined and the RROD will be replaced by a BSOD? Or General Manager of Redmond Games Studios Matt Booty, who was telling Adam Sessler the same story Phil Harrison told Eurogamer? These are key figures at Microsoft; of course the press will report what they say.
SpinningBirdKick
Banned
Xbone has been designed in a vacuum by a committee of idiots that think they know what the target demographic wants.
That's not a recipe for disaster at all, oh no.
Are they really that surprised at such a negative reception to all the anti-consumer shit they are trying to pull off in a single generation?
That's not a recipe for disaster at all, oh no.
Are they really that surprised at such a negative reception to all the anti-consumer shit they are trying to pull off in a single generation?
OddworldBOY
Neo Member
MS should blame the Huffington Post for not using that fat check to outdo all the negativity coming from the top gaming sites like IGN and Gamespot who in all fairness are being more open minded than what MS really deserves. Microsoft screwed the gamers and if they can't do good for us, then they can and will burn.
oldergamer
Member
You unlock this door with the key of obtuseness. Beyond it is another dimension: a dimension of corporate apologists, a dimension of willful ignorance, a dimension of fanboys. You're moving into a land of both posting and failing, of rationalizing and denying. You've just crossed over into... the Xbone Zone.
yeah you're original. seriously. you would have to be a moron if you are talking any sort of legal ramifications based on not knowing or having the hardware you have an issue with. Yes it is rationalizing, as there's a ton of people flipping out over certain features without knowing if you can eventually turn them off!
StreetsAhead
Member
Opt out systems that invade privacy aren't any better, really.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
Are the same people who worked on the 360 up to and after launch working on the xbone? If they are, they get my benefit of the doubt up to online always required.
I'm still a little unclear on that and it can always be changed before launch since its not built into hardware, but the second thats the official stance I'm out.
I'd be more sympathetic if people applied their outrage here to all uses of the business model and not just selectively to one form of CE device because... What?
I'm on board with account based software licenses. They work on my phone, they work on my PC. Either they're all bullshit or none of them are. Opinions are fine, but cognitive dissonance through singling one out just reeks of dodgy thinking.