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http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19559

Xbox 2 hardware begins to shape up

Before shipping out

By Wil Harris: Tuesday 09 November 2004, 10:04
MICROSOFT'S XBOX 2 hardware is starting to come together, according to reports, as final graphics details are thrashed out.

Sources have told us that ATI is now starting to roll out the R500 part which will be the basis of Xbox 2, ahead of the machine's launch on January 5 at the Consumer Electronics Show.

R500 is a Shader Model 3.0 part, and will be similar to the R520 part that will be its next generation PC graphics chip. The tape out will be a relief to developers, who have been working on the 9800 class hardware that shipped in the Xbox 2 development kits.

A spokesman for Nvidia told the INQ that he had had numerous requests from Xbox developers for GeForce 6800 cards, since coders were eager to start work on SM3.0 routines, regardless of the final render target.

The tape out of R500 - which has been delayed, we are told, fairly substantially - means that Microsoft's coders now face a frantic 2 months of coding to create demo routines to make the most of the graphics hardware, so that they can wow the Las Vegas crowds.

We are hearing conflicting reports about backwards compatibility of the Xbox 2 hardware with Xbox 1, which appears to be one of the reasons for the delay. One camp is telling us that ATI is having a hard time making Xbox software work because of all the Nvidia-specific routines that were programmed in games.

Another source is telling us that Nvidia is being more than a little awkward about releasing details of how its chips work to its rivals, and that Microsoft is sitting awkwardly in the middle. The lacerations of pens on paper were rumoured to be coming from the offices of m'learned fiends.

The Xbox 2 deal that Microsoft has with ATI is very different from the one it put in place with Nvidia for the original machine. Microsoft pays Nvidia a flat rate for each chip it supplies for the Xbox, a figure which has stayed unchanged since the machines launch. As chip manufacturing prices have come down, this has enabled Nvidia to rake the cash in as it makes a huge profit on each chip. Realising its mistake, Microsoft is fabricating its Xbox 2 graphics chips itself, and just paying a license fee to ATI for the chip design - a far less lucrative deal.

A spokesman for ATI told us that we should talk to Microsoft about Xbox 2, and declined to comment on the status of the company's progress with the R500 design. A Microsoft spokeswoman told us that the company wouldn't comment on speculation about the hardware in Xbox 2. Nvidia told us that it was happy to be working exclusively on its next-generation PC hardware. Get it? Got it. Good. µ

 

[The Bookerman]

Guess that means Nvidia not workin on PS3

 

[Firest0rm]

So whats the Revolutions chip going to be? Also a R500?

 

[The Bookerman]

So whats the Revolutions chip going to be? Also a R500?

Ati west is probably doing a custom chip for nin

 

[xexex]

So whats the Revolutions chip going to be? Also a R500?

nope, something beyond R500 that is most likely alot more customized.

Revolution is coming 9-12 months after Xbox 2 so naturally Revolution will have somewhat more advanced graphics.

 

[Solid]

http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=22628

 

[ravingloon]

nope, something beyond R500 that is most likely alot more customized.

Revolution is coming 9-12 months after Xbox 2 so naturally Revolution will have somewhat more advanced graphics.

ATI hasn't exactly been releasing new cores at a steady pace. In 12 months time, they'll still be shipping the same core in their newest cards, just faster CPU and RAM.

 

[xexex]

maybe because they're busy with the 2 console cores, and the true nextgen PC core, R600.

 

[ravingloon]

The R520 is the next gen core. Heck even these new ATI cards are still using the same core as the 9700, isn't it? I've been under this assumption. Sure there's been slight modifications and speed boosts, but it's fundamentally the same core. Wrong? If true, I expect all 3 to be very similiar.

 

[xexex]

R520 is just another extention of the 2+ year old R300 core, like R420, but this time with Shader Model 3.0, FP32 and some other stuff.

R600 is the next built-from-the-ground-up core for PCs

I'm sure the Nintendo Revolution core will have some things in commen with R500 and R600 but also have many custom features.

 

[Mr_Furious]

The Inquirer?

 

[xexex]

yes, The Inquirer. 2nd in patheticness only to Spong.


but occasionally Inq writes a decent article. ok, more like once in a blue moon :lol

 

[drohne]

that would make it kinda...underpowered, wouldn't it? or does microsoft plan to stuff several cores in there?

 

[xexex]

or does microsoft plan to stuff several cores in there?

oh man that would be too good to be true.

 

[CrimsonSkies]

" but also have many custom features."

Sounds like the Xbox 2 chip as well. Microsoft has some interesting 3D Graphics gurus internal to their company which should be playing a role with these little extras. Will be interesting to see.