nice specs. i was going off the 3.0GHz number, good to see a 200MHz boost per core. guess the ram upgrade was expected, good to see it confirmed though. and the ATI card sounds like a beast. free live eh? good to MS covering all the bases this time around. and am i mistaken or is the hard drive standard? pretty damn good if true.
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Xbox 360 Specifications! - LIVE 2 info
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Agent Icebeezy
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Cubsfan23 said:
Yup, a far cry from the first Xbox showing
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This access to MMOs, is that refering to 360 versions or pre-existing PC ones, or both? I'm assuming keyboard and mouse with be used in those USB slots. This is intriguing the hell out of me
So what happened to the Wireless Lan gaming? "Wi-Fi ready" doesn't exactly elaborate on that little matter. Looks pretty good otherwise but there was still no mention of dedicated gaming servers for non-MMO's either. Very feature heavy for a non integrated HD or BC system.
Found the source of this info and didn't notice it posted yet
http://www.activewin.com/xbox/articles/2005/2.shtml
which according to http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/611/611295p1.html?fromint=1
is from the new issue of PLAY magazine
http://www.activewin.com/xbox/articles/2005/2.shtml
which according to http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/611/611295p1.html?fromint=1
is from the new issue of PLAY magazine
DHGamer said:Found the source of this info and didn't notice it posted yet
http://www.activewin.com/xbox/articles/2005/2.shtml
which according to http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/611/611295p1.html?fromint=1
is from the new issue of PLAY magazine
:lol @ the PD0 "camera phone" screen.
midnightguy
Member
great finds DHGamer !
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Nostromo said:Unfurtunately you're not right.
R500 has NOT 48 pixel pipelines, it has 48 ALUs and 8 ROPs.
That means R500 can't output more than 8 pixels per clock, even if ALUs running a 'simple' shader can output more than 8 pixels per clock R500 can't write out all these pixels and ALUs will simply stall.
The good news is that R500 can output 8 pixels per clock even when 4x MSAA is on (with 32 bits render targets and alpha blending off)
Fillrate is 4 GigaPixel/s
You took some of the words out of my mouth, DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL
Fillrate on X360 is 4GP/sec but that is with FREE ANTI-ALIASING and on most of your TVs (480i) that resize filter-thingy will probably give you some free SuperSampling on top of that!!!
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IMO, I would think that if you could somehow turn off AA in X360 games, you would probably get closer in reality to that 16Gigapixel Xbox figure :lol .....again, how foolish would microsoft look if X360 performance was slightly above the 300 million (micro) polygons per second/ 120Gigaflop numbers they gave for the Xbox back in 2001
gofreak said:
All this is likely true, BUT (big but) one big downside would be the memory bandwidth and/or data latency required in that process of sending verex data from CELL to GPU......we know Rambus FlexI/O has plenty of memory bandwidth (45GB/sec outbound from CELL to the GPU, 32GB/sec inbound from the GPU to CELL and 77GB/sec aggrigrate bandwidth for reads and writes) but how big a chunk of that 45GB/sec Cell=>GPU will be SOLELY vertex stuff.....possibly a whole lot...
As expected, R500 is pretty baddass, with ~32MB/sec memory bandwidth that although will also have to be shared with XeCPU, won't have to share vertex data with it either....which it may in the PS3.....we will just have to wait and see on that one :/
All in all, I am getting strong GameCube vibes (nimble, efficient hardware) from X360, which is a good thing
midnightguy
Member
Kleegamefan said:You took some of the words out of my mouth, DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL
Fillrate on X360 is 4GP/sec but that is with FREE ANTI-ALIASING and on most of your TVs (480i) the resize filter will probably give you some free SuperSampling on top of that!!!
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Yeah....I thought you could
IMO, I would think that if you could somehow turn off AA in X360 games, you would probably get closer in reality to that 16Gigapixel Xenon figure :lol .....again, how foolish would microsoft look if X360 performance was slightly above the 300 million (micro) polygons per second/ 140 or 120Gigaflop numbers they gave for the Xbox back in 2000
All this is likely true, BUT (big but) one big downside would be the memory bandwidth required in that process of sending verex data from CELL to GPU......we know Rambus FlexI/O has plenty of memory bandwidth (45GB/sec outbound from CELL to the GPU, 32GB/sec inbound from the GPU to CELL and 77GB/sec aggrigrate bandwidth for reads and writes) but how big a chunk of that 45GB/sec Cell=>GPU will be SOLELY vertex stuff.....possibly a whole lot...
As was expected, R500 is pretty baddass, with ~32MB/sec memory bandwidth that although will also have to be shared with XeCPU, won't have to share vertex data with it either....which it may in the PS3.....we will just have to wait and see on that one :/
All in all, I am getting strong GameCube vibes (nimble, efficient hardware) from X360, which is a good thing
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Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Ooops, my bad
MS, seems to have backed themselves into a corner with the original Xbox specs, hence the <1 Teraflop figure they gave for X360 at GDC 2005 :lol
MS, seems to have backed themselves into a corner with the original Xbox specs, hence the <1 Teraflop figure they gave for X360 at GDC 2005 :lol
midnightguy
Member
what about "Xbox 360 PC" (Xbox Next PC) is there still such a thing? it *Was* gonna be BC... oh well :lol
Very late to this party - I was in bed.
AWESOME:
512 MB RAM (people were so worried about 256MB)
>3.0GHz clock speed (esp. after rumours were saying even lower than 3.0)
confirmed ability for 4 controllers (even if they have to be wireless)
ability to use some LIVE features without paying a subscription - like level downloads
free LIVE weekends!
A BIT DISAPPOINTING:
<3.5GHz clock speed
20GB hard drive, no mention of higher capacity options or recording TV
can't plug in old Xbox controllers
can't record DVDs
already graphical power sounding "limited" based on speculation in this thread
SUCKY SUCK SUCK
No BC mentioned so probably not happening but still hope
Overall I give it B+ based on current info. Would bump that up to an "A-" if BC is confirmed later and "A" if you can get larger HDs.
AWESOME:
512 MB RAM (people were so worried about 256MB)
>3.0GHz clock speed (esp. after rumours were saying even lower than 3.0)
confirmed ability for 4 controllers (even if they have to be wireless)
ability to use some LIVE features without paying a subscription - like level downloads
free LIVE weekends!
A BIT DISAPPOINTING:
<3.5GHz clock speed
20GB hard drive, no mention of higher capacity options or recording TV
can't plug in old Xbox controllers
can't record DVDs
already graphical power sounding "limited" based on speculation in this thread
SUCKY SUCK SUCK
No BC mentioned so probably not happening but still hope
Overall I give it B+ based on current info. Would bump that up to an "A-" if BC is confirmed later and "A" if you can get larger HDs.
midnightguy
Member
byproduct said:
yeah I could easily say the same things. easily. really i could, and would.
im just thankful for the 512 MB RAM.. a real blessing for those developers, and ultimately us the gamers.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Yeah, I am pretty excited too....
The reports of free Live, 512MB ram and the triple core 3.2Ghz XeCPUs are great stuffs...
As usual, R500 is the showstopper in this hardware.....it just sounds so awesome
The reports of free Live, 512MB ram and the triple core 3.2Ghz XeCPUs are great stuffs...
As usual, R500 is the showstopper in this hardware.....it just sounds so awesome
Kleegamefan said:Yeah, I am pretty excited too....
The reports of free Live, 512MB ram and the triple core 3.2Ghz XeCPUs are great stuffs...
As usual, R500 is the showstopper in this hardware.....it just sounds so awesome
I think the question from all of the tech-impaired is: will it produce 1st gen graphics that surpass Half Life 2 and Far Cry?
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
newsguy said:
R500 will *most likely* have some graphic features(WGF1.0+some other stuff) no current desktop GPUs (X850/GF 6800U) have...
The memory bandwidth in X360 is much faster than PCI-X
XeCPU points and laughs at desktop CPUs
The answer to your question is
robably.....By the by, you will probably be able to make a direct comparison against high-end PC games via the X360 versions of Prey, Quake 4 and Call of Doodie 2
sonycowboy
Member
Dr_Cogent said:
:lol :lol
Nope. It's gotten bad. They couldn't have wanted this much to pop out.
Just about all they've got left (beside fixes to some minor details in the leaks) are the games themselves. (which will include exclusive, or at least new to the Xbox, signings)
MightyHedgehog
Member
newsguy said:
There's no reason not to. It's just up to the developers.
vitaflo said:
These aren't the same types of chips. Apple overprices their shit. MS is going to lose a lot of money up front, but so will everyone else next-gen.
Kleegamefan said:R500 will *most likely* have some graphic features(WGF1.0+some other stuff) no current desktop GPUs (X850/GF 6800U) have...
The memory bandwidth in X360 is much faster than PCI-X
XeCPU points and laughs at desktop CPUs
The answer to your question is
By the by, you will probably be able to make a direct comparison against high-end PC games via the X360 versions of Prey, Quake 4 and Call of Doodie 2
That's what I'm talking about. Thx Klee.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
vitaflo said:
Since there are NO G5 PROCESSORS IN X360, Apple is just fine...
The future of CPUs, both desktop and consoles, is multi-core...
By all accounts, Revolution, PS3 and X360 all have multi-core CPUs (all developed by IBM, as it so happens)
sonycowboy
Member
Mrbob said:All I gotta add is that if these Xbox specs are all true, the 360 is one smartly designed and powerful console. With MS software development tools we can be seeing great things out of the 360!
What's so different from what we already knew about that was released here. It looks amazingly like the specs that we've had for the good part of a year, minus the bumped up memory and a couple of other smaller specs.
The CPU, GPU, wireless controllers, removable harddrive, media are all pretty much exactly what we've been talking about for months and months. And that some have categorized (somewhat prematurely and with a good level of ignorance) as being inferior to the PS3 by a pretty good margin.
It's great to get some confirmations, but I don't quite see the megaton here.
Bluemercury
Member
Mrbob said:All I gotta add is that if these Xbox specs are all true, the 360 is one smartly designed and powerful console. With MS software development tools we can be seeing great things out of the 360!
Its still going to be the weakest if the others will only be released next year...........
midnightguy
Member
just think -- in a matter of months, we will begin to seriously discuss the development of the 3rd generation Xbox, just as Xbox2 was discussed in late 2001-early 2002 :lol
sonycowboy said:
I'm just excited to see that the 360 hasn't been downgraded much at all. No megaton here except the one you are making up. Keep your damn sony spin away.
Anyway, with specs like these I don't know how you can even comment the Xbox 360 will be inferior to the PS3 by a fair margin when we know jack about the PS3.