Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features

2MF said:
I do think that MS picking who can resell their games amounts to a violation of the law.
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Who says the will though. It just says participating retailers. Perhaps any retailer can choose to opt in and get the needed software from MS (and it said they wouldn't charge any per transaction fee--though I guess publishers could).

But yeah, if they pick retailers that's probably illegal. So I doubt that's the case.
 
xn0 said:
I was speaking to my local Gamestop manager this week and he informed me that Gamestop is currently trying to figure out what to do with Xbox One. That Microsoft might be incentivising GS somehow with the extra overhead of selling used games at a higher cost to the customer and effectively reducing used game sales. I'm not sure how true this is but he stated that GS and MS are currently in negotiations on repercussions of DRM and that GS was largely unaware of this move by Microsoft. He went on to say that over 50% of the overall 360 game sales came from GS and that Microsoft could be shooting themselves in the foot from a retailer perspective, and implied that it is very possible that Xbox One will get less floor space than the WiiU and GS will not promote the console nor hold midnight releases for xbox exclusives. Either way it sounds like the relationship is somewhat strained.
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It will be really hard to make this as effortless and quick as it needs to be.
 
Can you imagine an area that is hit by a natural disaster. The area does not have internet access for a while due to this. As the families recover they can't play their xbox one as a way to relax and get through the time?
 
Microsoft says, "Give us exclusives and we'll give you DRM".

They are doing this and they are seeing how sales go. If sales go horribly, they can always just drop the DRM in later games. If you can get away with it, wouldn't you at least try?

Though if they really are doing this (Sony too), I have like a 40+ game back log, for ps3 and xbox 360. I can finally take some time to get through it as I won't be adding new games for awhile.
 
Sixfortyfive said:
Can't really agree when the next gen isn't backward compatible, rendering your existing XBLA library irrelevant to the console jump no matter what.
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That is true, but I was more leading the history of titles played, achievements and trophies, which are just one way of vesting people in an account.

When people feel more vested in a product for any reason, logical or not, it makes it harder to pull them away. Not impossible at all, just harder.

And the marketing teams of MSFT and Sony know that. And is also why they are concentrating on "social gaming" so much next generation. They WANT consumers vested in the experience so it is easier to keep them locked in.
 
rohlfinator said:
Those goalposts sure moved pretty fast, huh.
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What goalposts? I'm not overly passionate about this, it just seems like Xbox is an all digital system but with installation discs sold in stores. When I look at it like that it just seems like the status quo I'm used to on pc. I don't really object to you or anyone else who wants it to be like a typical console.
 
So, I guess that CEX and other such stores won't be one of the approved retailers in the UK.

there's going to be a fucking shitstorm here. I guarantee it.
 
Man... I will definitely not be getting a XBONE now. I really hope Sony doesn't implement the same anti-consumer bs that Microsoft is using but I just can't help feeling a little pessimistic about that. So depressing..
 
dmaul1114 said:
Who says the will though. It just says participating retailers. Perhaps any retailer can choose to opt in and get the needed software from MS (and it said they wouldn't charge any per transaction fee--though I guess publishers could).

But yeah, if they pick retailers that's probably illegal. So I doubt that's the case.
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They probably will just require some expensive equipment or license to do so. If this is the case it sucks for the small companies. But it is not different than needing to purchase an expensive electronics diagnostic tool for a new BMW. Unfortunately the smaller guys can't afford it and the larger ones take the customers.
 
dmaul1114 said:
Who says the will though. It just says participating retailers. Perhaps any retailer can choose to opt in and get the needed software from MS (and it said they wouldn't charge any per transaction fee--though I guess publishers could).

But yeah, if they pick retailers that's probably illegal. So I doubt that's the case.
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Even if every retailer on the planet is in, that still leaves out the ebay crowd, which the law also protects of course.
 
So when does the GAF 10 member "family" group signup thread start? This seems WAAAY more abusable than used games. Does this mean a group of 10 friends only needs to buy 1 copy of a game?
 
animlboogy said:
Oh, for all you guys who say "THAT'S JUST CAPITALISM BAYBEE!" about the Xbone strategy: Used games only for selected "partners" is picking winners. DAT FREE MARKET
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Where does it say they "selected" partners?

Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.
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unagisensei said:
So when does the GAF 10 member "family" group signup thread start? This seems WAAAY more abusable than used games. Does this mean a group of 10 friends only needs to buy 1 copy of a game?
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This is one of those things that sounds better than it'll end up being. You'll probably have to share your Xbox Live password or something to get this going to link your account to multiple boxes, and perhaps they can't all play outside of certain time intervals. I think they just wanted to sound generous somewhere.
 
gekkokamen said:
Really? then buy all digital and let them leave my physical discs alone. I take it you buy everything digital and you love it. Great for you. But I like my physical games to truly own them, not borrow them from a publisher and play it with their "permission".
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I don't like it because it costs the same.

If digital games were cheaper than physical ones by a decent chunk I'd have no problem going all digital. I won't pay the same price for a digital game as a disc one I can resell very often. But if it was a bit cheaper I'd go that route to save the hassle of having to sell games after beating them (I rarely replay and am the opposite of a hoarder/collector and try to ditch anything I don't use regularly--with the exception of my movie collection I guess, that's my one collecting vice).

Takes a special case like the new Animal Crossing 3DS game to get me to pay the same for a download game as the disc/cart. I'll probably get that one digital as I don't want to constantly be swapping game carts since that's something I'll just end up playing a few minutes here and there while playing other games more seriously.
 
dmaul1114 said:
Who says the will though. It just says participating retailers. Perhaps any retailer can choose to opt in and get the needed software from MS (and it said they wouldn't charge any per transaction fee--though I guess publishers could).

But yeah, if they pick retailers that's probably illegal. So I doubt that's the case.
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Same thing wheter Microsoft pick the retailers or not. It's market manipulation and carteling.
 
Aquamarine said:
It's a sad day when the PRESS--the people who are supposed to be whistleblowers and investigators and detectives--pony up to Microsoft's corporate bullshit and downplay the significance of the XBONE's DRM.
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Well, video game journalism has always been full of losers--not all of them, mind you, just the overwhelming majority. Many of them are complete dullards who love the thrill of lining up to blow their favorite developer or publisher. They're sycophants. Nothing more.
 
sometimes i game said:
This is one of those things that sounds better than it'll end up being. You'll probably have to share your Xbox Live password or something to get this going to link your account to multiple boxes, and perhaps they can't all play outside of certain time intervals. I think they just wanted to sound generous somewhere.
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It sounds more to me like only one person linked to an account can access the game library at one time.

So that would make sharing it outside the household/family pretty impractical.

I think it will just be a way to make sure everyone in a household can play games on their login like they currently can with disc games.
 
Agent Dale Cooper said:
What goalposts? I'm not overly passionate about this, it just seems like Xbox is an all digital system but with installation discs sold in stores. When I look at it like that it just seems like the status quo I'm used to on pc. I don't really object to you or anyone else who wants it to be like a typical console.
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"They'll obviously still be supporting it in 20 years, you're overreacting"
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"Who cares about old games anyway?"

It's fine if this stuff doesn't bother you personally, but that doesn't mean the concerns other people have aren't valid.
 
AngryBird said:
Exceedingly complicated. For people who are more casual, it's going to be a headache understanding all this cloud stuff..
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true but most people who buy it will have internet access and do not have a way of doing things with their machine or games with regard to share/trade etc. (moms) as we do, so when they go to do something or trade or whatever they will just ask how does this work?.... Then they will say ok.
 
strata8 said:
Well, tell me how a system that gives the user a digital copy and allows used games and doesn't require always online would work. "Not true" isn't the most convincing argument.
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Activate it one time to tie it to the users account. And make that game install disc not able to be installed anywhere else afterwards.

Even better, give the user an option to deactivate it and remove the game for their account, and then be able to sell/trade/give the disc/license to someone else who could then do the one time linking to their account. And later remove it if they want.

That works just like a game disc--only whoever has it can play it, and only one person/account at a time.
 
animlboogy said:
This guy gets it! I'm gonna share this on my MySpace page if you don't mind bro.

Posted from animlboogy's BlackBerry
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None of these companies invested in things that kept the user vested in the network though, save Blackberry messenger which is probably the only thing keeping that company alive. LIVE and PSN do attempt things to do the same, even without backwards compatibility.

There is a reason why Sony dramatically dumped resources into improving PSN, because just being free wasn't enough. They needed to get people to feel vested (and a stronger PSN combined with PSN+ was born, which is a great service) I still remember everyone railing on XBOX LIVE subscriptions, but it ended up being a huge success, because of how it sucked the consumer in for a variety of issues.
 
sometimes i game said:
This is one of those things that sounds better than it'll end up being. You'll probably have to share your Xbox Live password or something to get this going to link your account to multiple boxes, and perhaps they can't all play outside of certain time intervals. I think they just wanted to sound generous somewhere.
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Even still - I have extended family members and IRL friends I'm sure I'd be comfortable sharing the necessary info with. This seems pretty weird to me, very interested to see how this plays out. If this is really as described, this would be way better than used games in my book.
 
I can't decide if Microsoft is full of hubris from the 360 or if they know something we don't. Why are they acting like they are the dominant player and everyone else has to meet their terms... before a single console has been sold? A theory:

The Xbox One will be FREE. BOOM.

What wouldn't people tolerate for a free console?

3 year Live contract required (at an increased price). Strict DRM. Always on. No used games. Lackluster hardware relative to PS4. A Dashboard full of ads. You have to opt in to Kinect selling advertisers your facial expressions at any time: how you react to commercials or games, precise demographics (including things like weight/height/heatrate, perhaps income based on furniture, use your imagination). And they also do this for any advertisements or product placements you might see on TV through HDMI. Sounds horrible but...

How many people would give a shit if the console was free? Or 99 dollars?

How valuable is that data? Remember it is not just for ads on their own service, they could sell this data to anyone with advertisements on TV: exactly who is watching what and their reactions at every moment. Insanely valuable. Could it be so valuable that Microsoft can offer their console for nearly free to anyone who ops-in?

How would you feel about a console with the most draconian, exploitative stuff you can imagine... it it was free. Suddenly seems a lot more palatable, right? Hmn...
 
Wowzers that's awful. I'm crossing my fingers Sony doesn't do this because if they did it'd be the nail on the coffin as far as gaming goes for me.
 
strata8 said:
Well, tell me how a system that gives the user a digital copy and allows used games and doesn't require always online would work. "Not true" isn't the most convincing argument.
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It only needs to be online to activate and deactivate games from a user's account. There's no reason it needs to check every 24 hours if your license hasn't changed in that period.
 
unagisensei said:
So when does the GAF 10 member "family" group signup thread start? This seems WAAAY more abusable than used games. Does this mean a group of 10 friends only needs to buy 1 copy of a game?
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Only one person can play at a time. Only way to work is honestly completely different time zones, but then I think MSFT might notice that.
 
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Asriel said:
What verification? Are they going to ask for social security numbers? What if you have roommates and not a conventional family?
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You can bet your house there will be some fine print in all of it so it is nothing special. You think they fought this hard to get rid of used game sales to let people share games for free?
 
RustyO said:
Same thing wheter Microsoft pick the retailers or not. It's market manipulation and carteling.
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Not at all if any retailer can opt in and the software is provided for free etc.

Could work just like activating Microsoft Points or PSN cash cards--stores have to be able to link up to the companies servers to activate those or they can't sell them.

Games will probably work similarly. Just need some software to call in and take care of the license deactivation to be able to buy used games from customers.
 
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