PC, with things like Steam's Big Picture mode, it can act as a console just fine, while supporting both indie and other developers perfectly.
Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features
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PC, with things like Steam's Big Picture mode, it can act as a console just fine, while supporting both indie and other developers perfectly.
Well I myself wouldn't go that far but lets be honest if a corporation needs defending from the press that covers it and it's consumers you can tell that something is pretty rotten.
JonathanPower
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Why? MS and Sony are two diffent companies with very different philosophies. People seem to forget that this is MS and they have been pushing DRM systems for years with their operative systems and products. Thus, it does not really look surprising that now they want to do the same with the Xbox ONE. Let's always remeber that Sony is a hardware company first, while MS is a software company first.
It won't happen. It was already confirmed that PS4 won't use this anti-consumer approarch. They want to be able to sell consoles in countries where internet infrastructures are not solid and thus they won't sell a consoles that requires a mandatory internet connection.
Templar_Dante
Banned
Yeah.. at the end of the movie, the lights come back on and they come to kill you!
Linkstrikesback
Member
I can't speak for the american legal system, but if it came to light that Microsoft and Sony were collaborating on anti consumer policies in secret, the EU courts would have a field day.
Wickerbasket
Member
Different cable company? Or satellite?
Exactly. If it's off you should be able to disconnect it and put it in the cupboard
Get your facts right, they have Stores in Austria, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden and in Switzerland, if you want to talk about Europe, not European Union.Those are countries beside UK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameStop
1) You can give a game to a friend (who's been on your friend list for 30 days), but he/she can never give that game to anyone else like you just did.
2) No, once you give your game to your friend, it is no longer associated with your account. It is your friend's game the same as if he bought it, except for see 1)
peacemountain
Member
I really hope Sony can withstand the pressure! If they can and your predictions are right, MS will change their policy accordingly and we as consumers are the winners. I really liked this 7th Gen because all plattform holders had to bring their best to convince me as customer, where i put my money. So sad to have to make up my mind about such retarded things. I just want to enjoy my games!
Fuck you MS.
It's not even the 24h thing.
It's not even the no used games thing.
It's not even the sub-par specs.
It's not even the messy TV thing.
It's not even the stupid name.
It's not even the Design 101 two-tone hardware atrocious thing.
It's not even the bombastic, snarky attitude.
It's just because I enjoyed my 360 >>> PS3, that I'm lazy, and that 720 could/should have been my de facto console.
I got other things to ponder rather than which console I'll main and when/if I'll buy both next-gen consoles.
I should be excite.
I'll just get your shitty console because I love games, and there is no way in Hell that with all your $$$ you won't be able to publish an exclusive IP that gives me boners and makes me want to play late at night with 12 years old kids rather than sex my girl.
Grrrrrr...eedy.
It's not even the 24h thing.
It's not even the no used games thing.
It's not even the sub-par specs.
It's not even the messy TV thing.
It's not even the stupid name.
It's not even the Design 101 two-tone hardware atrocious thing.
It's not even the bombastic, snarky attitude.
It's just because I enjoyed my 360 >>> PS3, that I'm lazy, and that 720 could/should have been my de facto console.
I got other things to ponder rather than which console I'll main and when/if I'll buy both next-gen consoles.
I should be excite.
I'll just get your shitty console because I love games, and there is no way in Hell that with all your $$$ you won't be able to publish an exclusive IP that gives me boners and makes me want to play late at night with 12 years old kids rather than sex my girl.
Grrrrrr...eedy.
IdiotMyshkin
Banned
I ain't getting paid for NUFIN!
I'll be pissed if I get banned....
I'll be pissed if I get banned....
pretty much.
So I understand:
- Microsoft offers publishers DRM service (which they could actually take the responsibility for themselves).
- Microsoft allows selling used games without any charge (but limits it to some chains, which might result in another (legal) shitstorm).
They actually don't really get much out of this, but started one of the biggest PR trainwrecks in gaming history to do so.
They offer the possibility to play without disc but need to go online every 24h for that instead of additionally just offering the option to use the disc to play. But they make some exceptions for soldiers and families and stuff which probably all will result in a huge chaos.
For what????
- Microsoft offers publishers DRM service (which they could actually take the responsibility for themselves).
- Microsoft allows selling used games without any charge (but limits it to some chains, which might result in another (legal) shitstorm).
They actually don't really get much out of this, but started one of the biggest PR trainwrecks in gaming history to do so.
They offer the possibility to play without disc but need to go online every 24h for that instead of additionally just offering the option to use the disc to play. But they make some exceptions for soldiers and families and stuff which probably all will result in a huge chaos.
For what????
abstract alien
Member
LTTP(...not a party in this case) and just saw the content of the OP. What...I don't even..
Not mine. So good even the lighting.
I love that one lol. Made these a few seconds ago. I think every gif I've made with the exclusion of one has been from regular show lol
Gotcha! Thanks a lot, really, thought that with the thread moving this fast nobody would care.
There's still something that's confusing me though:
about 2) Wait... what does that mean? How do I get it back then if it is no longer with my account?? I can't play it anymore?!? But that would mean I can literally give it to a single friend...
Also: what about those 10 "family members" ? What if I delete them and change them? (when in reality they are of course friends). I can't understand what restriction they have
Templar_Dante
Banned
1) You can/may sell him your licence and he will then get the game. It would then remove the license from you and transfer it to him. He cannot sell it to ANYONE else or transfer it back to you. The disc you bought is then rendered useless to you as you no longer "own" the game.
Thats how I understand that.
2) See my answer for 1). Outside of selling your ownership to a friend, they would have to log in as you I guess. The 30day friend thing would act as a detterent to any would be "business" man who would just add friends, sell the game to them, then delete them off his list. The hope the 30day pre-requisite makes it a pain in the ass where you would rather trade it to their designated retailer for a lower price than random people on XBL.
Thats how I understand it. I hope Im wrong.
EDIT: Oh, beaten to it
computers putin'
Member
it all sounds so needlessly complicated, ugh. I don't want the future of gaming to be like this...
Well, maybe. I was alluding to the details here: http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/connected
Specifically:
But I guess this doesn't disallow that a lower speed will still allow you to use the console.
There's a very low density of gamestop stores in european cities I know and/or have visited, mainly talking about France and switzerland. Bring up google maps with a general view of europe and search for gamestop, not quantitavely accurate probably but gives some indication.
There are store chains in mainland europe however, for instance micromania in france (which gamestop actually owns according to the wiki article you linked).
I have reliable fiber internt access.
Have a tv box that will probably be supported by Xbone;
I like Metro very much.
Was (is?) a Halo fan.
Love the controller.
Have hated Sony Playstations from day1 for plunging Nintendo in the tech ghetto.
You wouldn't even squeeze a drop of Hype from me.
Have a tv box that will probably be supported by Xbone;
I like Metro very much.
Was (is?) a Halo fan.
Love the controller.
Have hated Sony Playstations from day1 for plunging Nintendo in the tech ghetto.
You wouldn't even squeeze a drop of Hype from me.
FiveMinuteHero
Member
Not sure if anyone has already posted this:
JonathanPower
Member
reads op...
Wow LOL perfect gif.
That is correct - you can't play the game anymore once you give it to your friend. It is their game forever. Loaning games is not supported by Xbox One at this time.
As for the 10 family members thing, I'm still confused about that myself. I think they must be tied to the same console, but can have different accounts?
Well sent a friend a link to the information, I was shocked with how OK it was.
I think the only thing I can think of that I don't have a problem with the power of the system or the controller.
Everything else though this is so fucking convoluted for what ... is a simple thing for publishers to speak to retail directly, rather than punish consumers.
This entire system feels like:
MS1: "Oh God we have to appease these publishers!"
MS2: "Shit we CANNOT make this work without the internet..."
MS1: "... we'll put a mandatory connection to check!"
MS2: "But, but we have to think of a benefit for consumers..."
... 2 weeks go by ...
MS1: "We'll let them play there content anywhere"
MS2: "But they could do that already sir."
MS1: "Hey ..."
MS2: "What?"
MS1: "What if we use terms like 'powered by the cloud'
"
MS2: "Eh?'
MS1: "We rebrand all talk of online features as 'cloud' features"
MS2: "Genius"
I think the only thing I can think of that I don't have a problem with the power of the system or the controller.
Everything else though this is so fucking convoluted for what ... is a simple thing for publishers to speak to retail directly, rather than punish consumers.
This entire system feels like:
MS1: "Oh God we have to appease these publishers!"
MS2: "Shit we CANNOT make this work without the internet..."
MS1: "... we'll put a mandatory connection to check!"
MS2: "But, but we have to think of a benefit for consumers..."
... 2 weeks go by ...
MS1: "We'll let them play there content anywhere"
MS2: "But they could do that already sir."
MS1: "Hey ..."
MS2: "What?"
MS1: "What if we use terms like 'powered by the cloud'
"MS2: "Eh?'
MS1: "We rebrand all talk of online features as 'cloud' features"
MS2: "Genius"
test_account
XP-39C²
Outside of special editions, the collection value of the games are pretty much killed now 
That is the worse part in my opinion.
That is the worse part in my opinion.Nintendo didnt get into the tech ghetto before ~10 years after the Playstation 1 was launched (assuming you mean that the Wii didnt have very powerful hardware compared to PS3 and Xbox 360).
Canis lupus
Member
One thing I didnt understand about the 10 family member situation: do they need to play it on your account on their console?
Unknown One
Member
They did that to themselves, same with Sega.
JonathanPower
Member
Although cable Tv is common in the US, in Europe the biggest provides of pay Tv services all use satellite systems.
abstract alien
Member
Not sure if anyone has already posted this:
That turn is insane...
jonnyp
Member
Haha
No. At least not in Germany.
Is it just me or is the idea that I can step in front of any X1 and it recognizes me and accesses my games incredibly cool? Privacy or not, I love this idea. No more profiles, it just knows me, wherever I am.
Radical_Ed
Banned
I don't think that's Sony's fault.
JonathanPower
Member
No, Kinect will recongnize you as main owner and if more than 10 people other than you play with the console, your credit card will be automatically charged with a 50$ fee.
LOL, just kidding.
shinra-bansho
Member
JonathanPower
Member
Well, Sky is the largest European provider of Pay Tv services and they use a satellite system.
Cable is non existant in europe, but IPTV is big.
gamemadmax
Member
so first titanfall leaks and then this
interesting strategy
interesting strategy
antiquegamer
Member
You can thank Steam and PC crowd that allow this to happen so many years ago. I was one of the few who hated Steam, the need for authorization, the game that are lock to your account etc. Console is just following PC.
On the bright side at least Microsoft will let you sell your used game and "gift" the game you don't want even if it just for one time to your friends or family. It's more than what Steam or Blizzard gave me that for sure. I wish I could sell back Diablo 3.
notoccupanther
Member
Judging by the short amount of time it took Microsoft to do an about-face on SOME of their DRM / Online Policies ... it surely musn't be a big step for them to complete the circle and ditch this shit completely
xBone is really only some Hyper-V machines running on Windows 8 in an Azure cloud after all ... the rest is just hoops we jump through so they can grab our MONEY!!
xBone is really only some Hyper-V machines running on Windows 8 in an Azure cloud after all ... the rest is just hoops we jump through so they can grab our MONEY!!
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Yeah man, you love games enough you'll be sending that message to microsoft that you want them to fuck you harder while you play with little boys.
michalmarek77
Member
With THIS shit, Microsoft has just lost one great customer. Me /300+games, 100+ XBLA titles/. No matter what, i won't buy Xbone .
Deal with it, Microsoft.
Deal with it, Microsoft.
Yeah I'm in a similar position. Don't know what I'll be gaming on next year but it sure as hell isn't going to be an Xbone.
*shrug*
I've had more situations where I've had access to an xbox 360 and a high speed internet connection, but not the game (that I already owned) that I wanted to play on hand, than I've been in a situation where I have my system + the game, but no internet connection.
This setup would appear to solve that problem for me.
I've had more situations where I've had access to an xbox 360 and a high speed internet connection, but not the game (that I already owned) that I wanted to play on hand, than I've been in a situation where I have my system + the game, but no internet connection.
This setup would appear to solve that problem for me.