Xbox One: over 3 million sold to consumers in 2013

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ThatNaiveCube said:
Relax, bro. I am not saying consoles are dead but let us avoid knee jerk reactions. Both consoles are selling extremely well. I just hope it continues. But it is way way too early to call. We are still very much in the early adopter period.

The "mainstream" audience wont show up until killer apps are dropped on both sides.
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Hmm while I agree that it is not certain what either new consoles fate is I would say we are quickly coming up to the point that we can start to draw longer term conclusions (not for the whole gen but likely for the first 2 years or so) once we get January - March data.

I would also say that the PS4 selling well is actually fairly noteworthy because assuming it continues and we have every indication it will we have 2 conclusions to draw from it


  1. 3rd Party Game support can in fact sell new consoles

    While I love the PS4 and consider it to have a great lineup all things considered, I would say it has in the average consumers eyes, a weaker exclusives lineup than the XB1 and certainly then the Wii U. Furthermore with 3rd Party games selling more than exclusives on it, people will in fact buy a new system just to get a better version of a 3rd party game. Therefore it is clear one of Wii U's biggest problems is the lack of 3rd party support and as both the PS4 and XB1 will garner great 3rd party support they will sell better in that regard.
  2. Consumers have no qualms about paying 400+ USD for a new box

    There was a thought that with last gen consoles hitting cheaper points the better value to be had is clearly to get a new PS3 or X360 [I agree with this if you haven't owned both systems]. As both systems sell fine with their initial prices consumers [and I would say we are leaving the hardcore only period of sales if not already past that point] clearly do not mind paying the money for a system so long as they deem it worth the value. The Wii U is again problematic in that it doesn't offer the robust 3rd Party support both other boxes will garner.

    Trying to judge the industry based on the Wii U's failures given its systematic shortcomings seems just as illogical.

    I would say by March we have a real picture on how the console industry stands
 
GameAddict411 said:
I won't be surprised if the XO surpasses it. with all the shortages, Sony could be in a disadvantage.
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We are then making an assumption that the PS4 is not being made as fast as the Xbone.

The only way they are at a disadvantage with shortages is if the shortages are directly related to lower production rather than increased demand. One causes high sales, headlines and a feeling frenzy, the other just sets you up short.

I find it very hard to believe that Sony would have 1m PS4s in NA for November and not have something close for December.
 
If Sony wins the December NPD, that will be huge.

Because they undoubtedly are winning Europe over XB1 and they still have yet to launch in Japan which could be very big for Sony.
 
Style Fox said:
What does Japan have to do with it?
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Sony is obviously saving supply for Japan and the demand there, but its an already won territory come next month so why not distribute most of the open stock where the demand is huge and also gain the ability to win the US territory back this gen.
 
ViciousDS said:
correct.....however Sony could have easily pulled to supply NA more as its the territory they need to win, you really think Microsoft stands a chance in Japan?
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And screw the other 33 (?) countrys over? Last time I checked the ps4 sold more in America anyways.
 
shadowsdarknes said:
PS4 is likely at 4 million.

If the system sold 2.1 million after 2 weeks on the US market and 1 week on the EU market, we can expect a huge increase from that.

If the supply allowed it, PS4 will be at 4 million. Give another million for the Japan launch and we will see that PS4 ends up passing Wii U as soon as the supply allows for it.
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That's the key. Who knows if they have already started to save consoles for Japan launch...
 
Dynopia said:
Far too low for 'the rest' did 67k in Australia in the first 3 days. Seeing as how UK and US doubled the first week and a bit sales it's safe to assume Aus is safely over 100k.

NPD will tell us all we need to know about how it sold elsewhere.
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Australia is like the UK, sales are disproportionately high. For example, France (a much bigger market) only achieved 50K Xbox One sales during the calendar year.
 
Aquamarine said:
Wii U shipped 3.06 million consoles to retailers in 2012.

The 3 million mark really isn't that major of an accomplishment for a November launch.

It's great, sure, but it's not absolutely extraordinary.
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3 million consoles sold to consumers in 5-6 weeks is an incredible accomplishment. Sames goes for Nintendo's Wii U figures, but I don't know if that 3.06 million is a 'sold-trhough' figure.
 
peterb0y said:
We did this whole thing the last time they made an announcement. Some people just always want to find conspiracy where there isn't any.
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We all know that Xbox owners are buying multiple consoles anyway due to the coolant splooge of death. If anything, the true userbase is closer to 1.5 million, if not 1.
 
RamzaIsCool said:
If that were true then 90% of the XBO userbase would be in NA/ UK. The lack of global appeal is something MS should work on and improve.
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That'a clearly the case if you look at other confirmed numbers. Although I'm surprised they are even able to supply this many consoles.
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
We all know that Xbox owners are buying multiple consoles anyway due to the coolant splooge of death. If anything, the true userbase is closer to 1.5 million, if not 1.
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Come on that's just crazy

We all know the numbers are actually from Albert and Nelson buying 100,000 consoles each from Amazon on their corporate cards

#thetruthwillcomeout
 
One thing I really have to wonder is how long these high sales numbers are going to hold up though.

I mean, can you really see MS selling such high numbers of Xbone's in a post-holiday season at a $500 price point?

I am thinking there is going to be a serious drop off in sales in the new year.

We'll see if this holds up.
 
I wonder what percentage out of the 3 mill don't use the Kinect???

I feel bad having my system plugged up at all and as soon as I cut my xb1 on my tin foil hats magically appears. It's crazy cuz I've never felt alienated as a consumer by MS since the official announcement of Xb1,, but the outcry from MS haters has definitely left an impression on me. Any other xb1 owners feel this way?
 
guggnichso said:
So they sold around the same amount the Wii U sold in compareable time after launch? Let's see how the rest of the year pans out.
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Every time...

Nintendo shipped 3.1 million in 2012, but they sold only about 2 million units to consumers according to their own estimates.

Microsoft estimates they have sold to consumers over 3 million Xbox One consoles.

Back to the Wii U, by Sep. 30, Nintendo had 2.76 million units shipped worldwide excluding Japan. That means, in the West, the Xbox One is already ahead of where the Wii U was 9 months after launch.
 
Gestault said:
Do you think Microsoft would make an outright, falsifiable lie about sales numbers? The legal consequences for statements like that in a corporate environment are damaging enough that it's not something that's really feasible. If anyone would be able to make accurate statements about how many systems have sold in the wild, I'd say it's the company fulfilling the follow-up orders from retailers. I think there's just a lot of built-up demand for this sort of thing.
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Let me say first: I doubt Microsoft is doing this. The Xbox One is selling well, and this only happens when products are not, but:

Yes, I have no doubt that a major company would lie about sell through. It's been done many times. It's not a verifiable number, you see - all sell through figures are estimates, and an estimate being wrong has no legal consequence.

The figure they can't get away with falsifying is their shipped/sold to distributors/retailers amount, which will be in their reports to shareholders and such.
 
SwiftDeath said:
Hmm while I agree that it is not certain what either new consoles fate is I would say we are quickly coming up to the point that we can start to draw longer term conclusions (not for the whole gen but likely for the first 2 years or so) once we get January - March data.

I would also say that the PS4 selling well is actually fairly noteworthy because assuming it continues and we have every indication it will we have 2 conclusions to draw from it


  1. 3rd Party Game support can in fact sell new consoles

    While I love the PS4 and consider it to have a great lineup all things considered, I would say it has in the average consumers eyes, a weaker exclusives lineup than the XB1 and certainly then the Wii U. Furthermore with 3rd Party games selling more than exclusives on it, people will in fact buy a new system just to get a better version of a 3rd party game. Therefore it is clear one of Wii U's biggest problems is the lack of 3rd party support and as both the PS4 and XB1 will garner great 3rd party support they will sell better in that regard.
  2. Consumers have no qualms about paying 400+ USD for a new box

    There was a thought that with last gen consoles hitting cheaper points the better value to be had is clearly to get a new PS3 or X360 [I agree with this if you haven't owned both systems]. As both systems sell fine with their initial prices consumers [and I would say we are leaving the hardcore only period of sales if not already past that point] clearly do not mind paying the money for a system so long as they deem it worth the value. The Wii U is again problematic in that it doesn't offer the robust 3rd Party support both other boxes will garner.

    Trying to judge the industry based on the Wii U's failures given its systematic shortcomings seems just as illogical.

    I would say by March we have a real picture on how the console industry stands
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I think your two points speak more to consumers being hungry for new technology than anything. And in the case of third party ports i feel the relationship is the other say around. People are buying them simply to have something to play.

We cant really extrapolate anything until we are out of the early adopter period. For all we know mainstream sales of the two may never even happen. Way too early to call. Sit back, do your part, and hope that sony and micro do theirs. Dont be so eager to draw premature conclusions.
 
PS4 was 2.1 mil by Nov30. Is reasonable to think that they could send 1.5 million consoles to stores during December. I doubt that they will be able to reach 4 mil by Dec 31. However, air fright can skew numbers.
 
Leondexter said:
Let me say first: I doubt Microsoft is doing this. The Xbox One is selling well, and this only happens when products are not, but:

Yes, I have no doubt that a major company would lie about sell through. It's been done many times. It's not a verifiable number, you see - all sell through figures are estimates, and an estimate being wrong has no legal consequence.

The figure they can't get away with falsifying is their shipped/sold to distributors/retailers amount, which will be in their reports to shareholders and such.
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I'm going to need citations for the no legal consequences and the history of lies.
 
Team Vernia said:
Pro sales strategy. It's working!
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Yep. MS's retail strategy is miles ahead of Sony's. Now where's Polo when you need some rational insight into how MS operates?

ThatNaiveCube said:
I think your two points speak more to consumers being hungry for new technology than anything.

We cant really extrapolate anything until we are out of the early adopter period. For all we know mainstream sales of the two may never even happen. Way too early to call. Sit back, do your part, and hope that sony and micro do theirs. Dont be so eager to draw premature conclusions.
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Sure but when is the early adopter period over with? I would argue between now and March for the most part or at least that an increasingly larger number of sales can be attributed to more mainstream consumers as early adopters have already adopted.

Furthermore consumers were presented with new technology last year in the form of the Wii U and it had yet to truly set the world on fire. I suppose more than anything I would take away that the tale of the Wii U means little in the scope of thing at present for either new console as the Wii U has failings to its very core that these new systems do not.

But yes things can and will change as time moves on.
 
Impressive, though as an Xbox One day one owner, I can't say they deserve the sales.


Underpowered and overpriced. With the promise of better multimedia features via Kinect, that wouldn't be as bad. However, Kinect does not work like it should, at least in my setup, voice commands are all but useless for anything with sound in the background, snap is anything but snappy or responsive. Not to mention snapping some apps just gives you a message to "go to fullscreen", what the hell is the point of that?


I was a day 1 Kinect 1.0 owner too, and have always defended it, but Kinect 2 has been a massive disappointment for me as far as usability and UI navigation.


I am saying, very clearly, "Play Disc", not "Play Music", dammit K2.
 
I had figured that, at the end of the day, the new console launch would outweigh the controversies about DRM, FPS, etc. Not to say those aren't valid issues, but to the wider public they were probably unknown.
 
BigTnaples said:
Impressive, though as an Xbox One day one owner, I can't say they deserve the sales.


Underpowered and overpriced. With the promise of better multimedia features via Kinect, that wouldn't be as bad. However, Kinect does not work like it should, at least in my setup, voice commands are all but useless for anything with sound in the background, snap is anything but snappy or responsive. Not to mention snapping some apps just gives you a message to "go to fullscreen", what the hell is the point of that?


I was a day 1 Kinect 1.0 owner too, and have always defended it, but Kinect 2 has been a massive disappointment for me as far as usability and UI navigation.


I am saying, very clearly, "Play Disc", not "Play Music", dammit K2.
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That's your problem. You should have gone digital. "Play Ryse: Son of Rome" works every time!

EDIT: Oh wait, are you playing CDs?
 
Road said:
Every time...

Nintendo shipped 3.1 million in 2012, but they sold only about 2 million units to consumers according to their own estimates.

Microsoft estimates they have sold to consumers over 3 million Xbox One consoles.

Back to the Wii U, by Sep. 30, Nintendo had 2.76 million units shipped worldwide excluding Japan. That means, in the West, the Xbox One is already ahead of where the Wii U was 9 months after launch.
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This should be added to the OP to reduce the amount of people confusing what Wii U shipped and sold.
 
BigTnaples said:
Impressive, though as an Xbox One day one owner, I can't say they deserve the sales.


Underpowered and overpriced. With the promise of better multimedia features via Kinect, that wouldn't be as bad. However, Kinect does not work like it should, at least in my setup, voice commands are all but useless for anything with sound in the background, snap is anything but snappy or responsive. Not to mention snapping some apps just gives you a message to "go to fullscreen", what the hell is the point of that?


I was a day 1 Kinect 1.0 owner too, and have always defended it, but Kinect 2 has been a massive disappointment for me as far as usability and UI navigation.


I am saying, very clearly, "Play Disc", not "Play Music", dammit K2.
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I dont think this is the thread for this.
 
Dynopia said:
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. I love how that site has Xbox 360 overtracked like 2m in the US tho.
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My random predictions also put the Xbox One somewhere around 3 million.

OH MY GOD GUYZ I'M SO ACCURATE EVERY PREDICTION OF MINE IS ACCURATE GUYZ IM SO RELIABLE.
 
Sulik2 said:
I am still shocked by how well the XB1 is selling. I expected it to stagger out the gate and be slaughtered by the PS4. Having a better launch lineup is really helping them.
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That and the outrage post reversal was way overblown on gaming forums, it just didn't trickle down to the public.

good numbers by MS
 
Aquamarine said:
My random predictions also put the Xbox One somewhere around 3 million.

OH MY GOD GUYZ I'M SO ACCURATE EVERY PREDICTION OF MINE IS ACCURATE GUYZ IM SO RELIABLE.
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Please predict what stock will have the most change from today until tomorrow. I would like to spend my life savings on it as your predictions have yet to be wrong. :)
 
can we assume both sides are bone dry on stock and are shipping direct from production now? so pretty soon we should be able to accurately judge production capacity.

Although Japan launch for Sony will cloud things a little.... and when do MS plan to launch in tier 2 markets? Is that a moving goalpost until they are happy with the situation in tier 1?
 
mrklaw said:
can we assume both sides are bone dry on stock and are shipping direct from production now? so pretty soon we should be able to accurately judge production capacity.

Although Japan launch for Sony will cloud things a little.... and when do MS plan to launch in tier 2 markets? Is that a moving goalpost until they are happy with the situation in tier 1?
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i would assume it has more to do with software then with supply.
 
Aquamarine said:
My random predictions also put the Xbox One somewhere around 3 million.

OH MY GOD GUYZ I'M SO ACCURATE EVERY PREDICTION OF MINE IS ACCURATE GUYZ IM SO RELIABLE.
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Oh Aqua, does the sheer mention of VGchartzzzz get your panties all in a bunch.

I do agree its annoying people believe that site. Thank god its banned here.
 
Congrats, solid number. I bet PS4 has sold 4 millions (obviously it would be more if it wasn't supply constrained) to consumers worlwide until now and that they will announce it soon, maybe at CES as the "fastest selling console in gaming history".
 
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