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[Canis lupus]

Regardless of Sonys numbers MS continually releasing theirs a day or so earlier is a good PR move. Sends the internet into an impatient flurry/argument.

They must of known Sony were going to announce something at CES.

Doesn't mean much if Sony drops the 4 million milestone lol.

 

[Aquamarine]

I have 2 also, so not the end of the world just terrible design (or battery selection)

the LED on the other hand is brutal, I have a plasma and was prepared for it to be an issue when I play in the dark..but you see the reflection just as easily during the day. It has been completely useless for every game I have played so would be freaking awesome to have the ability to turn it off lol

When is the NPD announcement this month?

All will be revealed Thursday, January 16th.

 

[Vizzeh]

Imo it is something ~4 mln


Sony themselves said that they plan to sell 5mln till march which is probably their max production cap.

They have likely sold 3-4mill worldwide by now (a reasonable estimate) Meaning they should be able to handle 1-2M in 3 Months and then some.

 

[Klocker]

Citation CLEARLY needed here. I went holiday shopping the weekend before christmas, (at king of prussia mall, near philly) and literally every single retailer that could have had Xbox ones had a goddamn pile of the things, including a mall kiosk set up to do nothing BUT sell Xbox ones.

Meanwhile gamestop was laughing in the faces of anyone asking for a PS4.

Selling strongly? sure. Selling out? I'm not so sure about that.

xbox providing much greater supply, perhaps

 

[Bsigg12]

I dont know and im not going to give out random theories that can be translated as FUD unlike many on here.

But I am going to say that it seems strange that a console that has not been sold out for much of December managed to sell 1.5 million. It is not out the realm of possibility that Microsoft is using a different way of accounting "Sold to consumers" than traditional retail reports. It may be more accurate or it may give more room for PR error.

In any case, im not making a stand that the numbers are wrong. Im just saying that questioning them does not make you a conspiracy theorist.

Does it have to be sold out to sell 1.5 million units? We know that the system was consistently restocked, hence the constant threads popping up telling us so.

 

[Perkel]

That would explain their need for revenue; Almost all of the MS studio releases look money hungry (free 2 play mechanics in full priced Ryze, Forza, Crimson dragon).

Nah i doubt that has anything to do with supply. More probably with their always online policy before 180.

 

[maabus1999]

Difference now is that you can buy Xbone in 12 countries. If they could provide units for 18 countries they would.

Software or not. CBOAT rumor said yield issues and soon MS changed launch countries from 18 to 12. Saying "CBOAT am cry" is stupid especially that yield issues don't always mean supply issues but can mean for example amount of chips from wafer is low and that means for MS high production cost and then it can mean supply problem.

Please explain unless you are saying that MSFT just tooled and spun up more factories to compensate.

Some people just don't want to let this one go.

 

[Pain]

Saw this story on Facebook, picked out a few gems for you gentlemen/ladies:

That last one, holyshit.

But anyway, 3 million is nothing to snuff at, congrats to MS.

When Sony announces their numbers someone please send that last guy the link. Troll needs to be informed.

 

[Deku Tree]

@geoffkeighley
Xbox says it won't be updating sales numbers again until Jan 23 w/ earnings announcement. Not sure what that means for NPD numbers.

Makes you think that PS4 > xbone in US NPD Dec. otherwise why not declare victory before Jan 23?

 

[Perkel]

They have likely sold 3-4mill worldwide by now (a reasonable estimate) Meaning they should be able to handle 1-2M in 3 Months and then some*.

* If they will be able to ramp up production. Fabs don't rump up prod just like that. Also 1mln of PS4 means 16 000 000 mln 512mb GDDR5 chips which is a lot and can be a bottleneck for production especially since 512mb GDDR5 chips are kind of new

 

[Green Yoshi]

Of course it sold good. Even WiiU sold good at launch. 2014 will be the decisive year.

The Wii U has sold 3.06 million units as of December 31, 2012, Nintendo has announced as part of its third-quarter financial results.

http://www.videogamer.com/news/3_06_million_wii_u_consoles_sold_as_of_december_31_2012.html

 

[Amused]

Sony should be at around 10-11 million sold in Europe alone, right? I think the november numbers showed that they avaraged around 350.000 consoles per day in Euorpe.

Spoiler

Avarage is best, there is no denying it.

 

[Manmademan]

xbox providing much greater supply, perhaps

not debating that, I'm debating the "Selling out at most retailers" part of the PR, which was clearly false. No one anywhere was sold out of the damn things, they were in plentiful supply.

The PS4 was "sold out at most retailers."

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

I dont know and im not going to give out random theories that can be translated as FUD unlike many on here.

But I am going to say that it seems strange that a console that has not been sold out for much of December managed to sell 1.5 million. It is not out the realm of possibility that Microsoft is using a different way of accounting "Sold to consumers" than traditional retail reports. It may be more accurate or it may give more room for PR error.

In any case, im not making a stand that the numbers are wrong. Im just saying that questioning them does not make you a conspiracy theorist.

They could have used "activated" due to every xbox needing the patch to even play games offline. But that number would have been lower appearantly.

 

[Audioboxer]

Doesn't mean much if Sony drops the 4 million milestone lol.

It still has the internet in a frenzy for at least 24 hours with all the accusations, arguments and doubts. So still a smart PR move if you are behind, as opposed to announcing 3 million after Sony potentially announces 3.5~4 million.

Saw this story on Facebook, picked out a few gems for you gentlemen/ladies:

That last one, holyshit.

But anyway, 3 million is nothing to snuff at, congrats to MS.

Jeez, there's top level, highly thought out, mind bendingly statistically proven analyst consisting arguments with emotionally punching psychological discussions about sales figures, and then there's shit like this...

 

[Bsigg12]

Sony should be at around 10-11 million sold in Europe alone, right? I think the november numbers showed that they avaraged around 350.000 consoles per day in Euorpe.

Spoiler

Avarage is best, there is no denying it.

14-15 million? No. Not even close.

Awesome edit. Your prediction is still twice as high as it will be.

 

[fantomena]

Good numbers! Can't wait for Sonys numbers.

 

[Zalman]

Of course it sold good. Even WiiU sold good on launch. 2014 will be the decisive year.

http://www.videogamer.com/news/3_06_million_wii_u_consoles_sold_as_of_december_31_2012.html

Good point. Plus, I bet the PS4 is about a million over that by now.

 

[Riky]

Out of curiosity, how is that great for competition from a consumer standpoint?

I would say it makes the platform holders try harder with their own games, if Xbox One bombed and Sony had it all wrapped up in six months then would they put as much resources and effort into their first party games?

Sony when they were trailing 360 put a lot of effort and money into their PS3 line up to tempt people who already had a 360. I would say that's good for consumers.

 

[maabus1999]

Makes you think that PS4 > xbone in US NPD Dec. otherwise why not declare victory before Jan 23?

1.) NPD doesn't even have their numbers tabulated yet. It does take time.

2.) NPD is not MSFT, and MSFT's Jan 23 comment means announcements originating from corporate. MSFT will respond to NPD most likely.

3.) Geoff might just be confused by the corporate speak here?

 

[Aquamarine]

Makes you think that PS4 > xbone in US NPD Dec. otherwise why not declare victory before Jan 23?

This 3 million announcement is Microsoft's estimate of sales. They have a very good reason to believe sales are above 3 million, but it probably isn't 100% sourced from directly tracked console sell-throughs.

NPD figures are confirmed, real, directly-tracked, sell-through sales numbers. Once they come out, Microsoft can confirm the sales of their console.

Why do you think Microsoft brags about NPD numbers every month instead of exclusively citing internal estimates? It's because they're important to the company.

 

[ChoklitCow]

These threads always bring out the best and the worst of GAF. Lack of deductive reasoning is astonishing.

I'm somewhat perplexed by Geoff's tweet, though.

 

[DrM]

not debating that, I'm debating the "Selling out at most retailers" part of the PR, which was clearly false. No one anywhere was sold out of the damn things, they were in plentiful supply.

The PS4 was "sold out at most retailers."

Yeah, they even included 'worldwide'. I do not know what happened to that piles of X1s I saw in Austria and Italy during third week of December. Maybe green little elves bought them?

 

[harSon]

Of course it sold good. Even WiiU sold good at launch. 2014 will be the decisive year.



http://www.videogamer.com/news/3_06_million_wii_u_consoles_sold_as_of_december_31_2012.html

For the trillionth time, the Wii U shipped 3 million, but sold through considerably less.

 

[Ricerocket]

Of course it sold good. Even WiiU sold good at launch. 2014 will be the decisive year.



http://www.videogamer.com/news/3_06_million_wii_u_consoles_sold_as_of_december_31_2012.html

Too bad that was to retailers and not consumers. It was what, 2.1m?

 

[Vyse The Legend]

Please explain unless you are saying that MSFT just tooled and spun up more factories to compensate.

Some people just don't want to let this one go.

Both camps have inconclusive evidence, actually.

There's no way at all for either party to know if CBOAT was right or wrong -- short of Microsoft internal documents leaking.

They could have very well planned to produce enough for 18 countries (say, 5 million units), but due to yield issues, could only muster 3 million and decided to focus on 12 countries with ample stock instead.

Or, they could have planned to produce 3 million all along, and decided to just focus on 12 countries due to other reasons.

The current data supports both arguments.

 

[flyinpiranha]

Out of curiosity, how is that great for competition from a consumer standpoint?

Whether you own a PS4 or XB1, with large scale sales on both platforms they will be in direct competition and constantly trying to compete for future customers with additional features/games ... this is only good for the people that already own them. Imagine if XBL didn't exist the shitty state that PSN would be in? Almost every feature was a direct answer to XBL back in the very early days of PSN on the PS3.

 

[Riky]

Of course it sold good. Even WiiU sold good at launch. 2014 will be the decisive year.



http://www.videogamer.com/news/3_06_million_wii_u_consoles_sold_as_of_december_31_2012.html

Was that to consumers though?

 

[Winterfang]

WOW congratulations Microsoft.

 

[oVerde]

Now gimme Dance Central 4, asap.

 

[AzaK]

3/5 of Wii U's LTD in 2 months. Guess you were right and no one cares about higher end consoles Mr Iwata.

 

[Baki]

This 3 million announcement is Microsoft's estimate of sales. They have a very good reason to believe sales are above 3 million, but it probably isn't sourced from 100% directly tracked numbers.

NPD figures are confirmed, real, directly-tracked, sell-through sales numbers. Once they come out, Microsoft can confirm the sales of their console.

Why do you think Microsoft brags about NPD numbers every month instead of exclusively citing internal estimates? It's because they're important to the company.

Do you think it's possible that MS are providing shipped numbers with the assumption that the console has been sold out at retailers ?

 

[graywolf323]

they seriously use that fastest selling BS again? what a joke

 

[TheLink117]

So Xbox One was 3 million in its first two months.

PS4 is expected around 4 million in its first two months.

I'm curious, how did Wii U perform in its first two months during the 2012 launch?

 

[Caayn]

Sony should be at around 10-11 million sold in Europe alone, right? I think the november numbers showed that they avaraged around 350.000 consoles per day in Euorpe.

Spoiler

Avarage is best, there is no denying it.

No chance, unless Sony magically found a way to massively increase their production of the PS4. And even then the demand needs be there.

 

[PBY]

Do you think it's possible that MS are providing shipped numbers with the assumption that the console has been sold out at retailers ?

No.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Does it have to be sold out to sell 1.5 million units? We know that the system was consistently restocked, hence the constant threads popping up telling us so.

No it doesn't. But it would make the PR alot more believable considering thats exactly what it just said.

 

[Vizzeh]

I am quite impressed by the level of civility thus far - Perhaps the console-war has plateaued and everyone can be friends again.

 

[Dug]

About Halo 5 not being mentioned in the release list:

Xbox Wire today mentioned a few 2014 titles; Halo on Xbox One not listed due to official name of the next title not announced yet.

https://twitter.com/RobSemsey/status/420252354764480512

 

[That Wont Fit In There]

This is awesome. Can't wait to see the PS4 numbers. I have a strange feeling that it'll be less because of less consoles but who knows.

 

[Klocker]

not debating that, I'm debating the "Selling out at most retailers" part of the PR, which was clearly false. No one anywhere was sold out of the damn things, they were in plentiful supply.

The PS4 was "sold out at most retailers."

I understand and not to be pedantic, but maybe they can say that because as shipments arrived they went out pretty quickly and reorders were rapidly refilled.

so "selling out" may not mean vacant from shelves if normal supply is constantly being restocked as they sell.

compared to a perception of "sell out" where stock takes longer to resupply, leading to empty shelves.

 

[jond76]

Great news for MS! I've been enjoying the shit out of my Xbox. Looking forward to what 2014 has in store.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

This 3 million announcement is Microsoft's estimate of sales. They have a very good reason to believe sales are above 3 million, but it probably isn't 100% sourced from directly tracked console sell-throughs.

NPD figures are confirmed, real, directly-tracked, sell-through sales numbers. Once they come out, Microsoft can confirm the sales of their console.

Why do you think Microsoft brags about NPD numbers every month instead of exclusively citing internal estimates? It's because they're important to the company.

Thank you. This all I am trying to get at.

 

[justsomeguy]

That would explain their need for revenue; Almost all of the MS studio releases look money hungry (free 2 play mechanics in full priced Ryze, Forza, Crimson dragon).

I think that was just a shitty business decision - test the waters on all MS titles for micro transactions in "regular" (non-f2p) games. This gen's horse armour.

let's hope they realise it's not welcome.

 

[Giant Panda]

Imo it is something ~4 mln


Sony themselves said that they plan to sell 5mln till march which is probably their max production cap.

Well, Zomgbbq the banker guy's bank estimated production of 1.25 million per month. I would think they would've ramped up to full production by September, and they will be able to ship all the consoles produced by the end of February, so that is six months of production that could be sold by the end of March. That gives a total of potential sales of 7.5 million.

 

[Sons Of Anarchy]

NPD thread will be interesting

 

[BlackBuzzard]

I would say it makes the platform holders try harder with their own games, if Xbox One bombed and Sony had it all wrapped up in six months then would they put as much resources and effort into their first party games?

Sony when they were trailing 360 put a lot of effort and money into their PS3 line up to tempt people who already had a 360. I would say that's good for consumers.

PS2 had no competition, but Sony kept pumping out exclusives, even though it was 10s of millions ahead of the Cube and Xbox. Meanwhile you had the 360 which had 2 tough competitors but almost no exclusives since 2010. I think it all depends on the type of company and nothing to do with competition.

 

[Shingro]

Thats solid, looks like Microsoft is winning America, with Sony taking europe just like last gen

My store has had XBOs in for weeks now and PS4s are still impossible to find, I'm not sure america's out of contention by any stretch

 

[Baki]

No.

Which implies they've shipped close to 3.5m Xbox Ones worldwide. That's very surprising if true.

 

[7DollarHagane]

Glad they gave a number and very good to have these kind of sell through for holidays for all next Gen systems. I wonder how the momentum will keep for both systems January through July.