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[Zones]

Honestly the difference is not that big, it's just a matter of MS starting to give a fuck about actually selling consoles outside of US and UK, advertize it, etc

In France: for about every 10 PS5 sold, only 1 Xbox gets sold.
Diddy X: honestly the difference is not that big...

 

[twilo99]

When can we expect xbox and ms to file for chapter 11?

 

[jroc74]

When can we expect xbox and ms to file for chapter 11?

Did they do that when they got out the smartphone hardware market?

They'll just stop making consoles, that's it. They're already one of the biggest 3rd party publishers just based on ABK alone.

 

[DragonNCM]

Did they do that when they got out the smartphone hardware market?

They'll just stop making consoles, that's it. They're already one of the biggest 3rd party publishers just based on ABK alone.

They cant just dich out all gamers who have huge MS library's. Where they will play their games ?
MS will always have console or they will face off large court fins as antitrust customer behavior.

 

[IDKFA]

Simple way for Microsoft to fix this.

Reduce the price of the X to £299 and the S to £150.

Bundle in 12 months of Gamepass with every console sale.

Watch those consoles fly off the shelves.

 

[Liamario]

Simple way for Microsoft to fix this.

Reduce the price of the X to £299 and the S to £150.

Bundle in 12 months of Gamepass with every console sale.

Watch those consoles fly off the shelves.

I think it's perhaps too late for that. Anyways, MS claims that it's less interested in selling consoles than more interested in selling Gamepass. I don't know what their gameplan is to be honest.

 

[damidu]

Simple way for Microsoft to fix this.

Reduce the price of the X to £299 and the S to £150.

Bundle in 12 months of Gamepass with every console sale.

Watch those consoles fly off the shelves.

lol i have simpler plan
why dont they just handout consoles for free with 3years of gamepass bundled, at the same time maybe buy take2 and use gta6 as gamepass fodder.
that would work for sure. phil can do it, you know warchest and all.

 

[Lysandros]

Simple way for Microsoft to fix this.

Reduce the price of the X to £299 and the S to £150.

Bundle in 12 months of Gamepass with every console sale.

Watch those consoles fly off the shelves.

Even more simple; give them away for free and bundle them with lifetime gamepass. Easy win.

 

[Fess]

They cant just dich out all gamers who have huge MS library's. Where they will play their games ?
MS will always have console or they will face off large court fins as antitrust customer behavior.

On PC? You can already do that. And sooner or later they’ll go the launcher route like TV and music streaming.
Their games has been on PC day 1 for years, it’ll be some extra work to run games natively on other boxes but they could do it if they wanted, or use streaming.
The Xbox ecosystem won’t go away but Xbox consoles will only exist as long as there is a market for them.

 

[jroc74]

They cant just dich out all gamers who have huge MS library's. Where they will play their games ?
MS will always have console or they will face off large court fins as antitrust customer behavior.

If they decide to no longer make consoles, there is really nothing any consumer can do about it. No longer making future consoles doesn't mean supporting the current one will stop overnight.

They didnt face fines and lawsuits for leaving the smartphone market. Companies do make these types of decisions. History tells us this.

 

[Crayon]

They cant just dich out all gamers who have huge MS library's. Where they will play their games ?
MS will always have console or they will face off large court fins as antitrust customer behavior.

The existing consoles will still work. MS may have to consider keeping those servers up for a very long time (they already seem to be good about that) but that's about it. Being able to play the games on PC and streaming softens that blow, too.

 

[Elysium44]

If they decide to no longer make consoles, there is really nothing any consumer can do about it. No longer making future consoles doesn't mean supporting the current one will stop overnight.

They didnt face fines and lawsuits for leaving the smartphone market. Companies do make these types of decisions. History tells us this.

They also shut down the old GFWL marketplace on PC 10 years ago and people with purchased games lost access to them.

 

[IDKFA]

lol i have simpler plan
why dont they just handout consoles for free with 3years of gamepass bundled, at the same time maybe buy take2 and use gta6 as gamepass fodder.
that would work for sure. phil can do it, you know warchest and all.

Even more simple; give them away for free and bundle them with lifetime gamepass. Easy win.

That's going a little bit too far. They need to still make some money, not go bankrupt.

 

[jroc74]

They also shut down the old GFWL marketplace on PC 10 years ago and people with purchased games lost access to them.

Right, they didnt leave the PC gaming market and still did this.

They might be a lil better this time for PC game support, but we shall see.

 

[Diddy X]

In France: for about every 10 PS5 sold, only 1 Xbox gets sold.
Diddy X: honestly the difference is not that big...

I worded that wrong, what I meant is that if MS actually start caring that difference could dissapear in a matter of a couple years, they have everything to do it, so that's why I think "it's not that big".

 

[Fess]

The existing consoles will still work. MS may have to consider keeping those servers up for a very long time (they already seem to be good about that) but that's about it. Being able to play the games on PC and streaming softens that blow, too.

Yeah I really don’t see it as a problem at all. There are cheap PCs, games are on Steam, there are cloud streaming services, Gamepass is on PC, there are PC handhelds, with docks if you need a TV screen, they’ll be on mobile too soon through King, likely with more MS IPs. And they have the money to handle almost anything.

All this is the main reason why I like what Microsoft are doing. The walls are finally falling. I love not feeling trapped.

 

[Crayon]

I worded that wrong, what I meant is that if MS actually start caring that difference could dissapear in a metter of a couple years so that's why I think "it's not that big".

It's past that point in some countries. Getting the brand-awareness ball rolling again would be a whole big operation. They'd have to be putting a lot of effort into each region. And not just with more free xss and deals, but get some real talent in there to relaunch Xbox.

Is this really the time to do that, though? Years ago they could have had a much smaller job on their hands recovering from the bad xb1 international launch. There was still something there to work with at that time but things only got worse ever since.

 

[TheBomb]

Population alone is a pretty worthless metric here.

Like engagement?

 

[TheBomb]

This.

Xbox One and the introduction of "Always Online" crap killed the Xbox brand, it has never fully recovered...

I think it was the Sony mistakes in which Microsoft was able to capitalize, but for me Sony fix it with the PlayStation 4, and so on.

 

[LordOfChaos]

 

[Banjo64]

Simple way for Microsoft to fix this.

Reduce the price of the X to £299 and the S to £150.

Bundle in 12 months of Gamepass with every console sale.

Watch those consoles fly off the shelves.

Cost isn’t a factor.

 

[IDKFA]

Cost isn’t a factor.

You're correct. It's a small factor, but not the main one.

Having first party titles release on PC day one with Xbox and people already being locked into the PS ecosystem from the previous gen are probably the biggest factors.

 

[rkofan87]

it happens when you got no games.

 

[Alan Wake]

Like engagement?

No, available customers. Pakistan has 230 million inhabitants. How many are likely to buy an Xbox?

 

[buenoblue]

No way it would cost $500. Microsoft isn't going to sell a Windows PC at a loss. More like $1000, minimum, just for it to be worth their time.

But the Xbox Series x already costs £500? And already runs a cut back version of windows. Like I said adding a full version of windows on the series x would cost Microsoft nothing. It would fly off the shelves.

 

[Topher]

But the Xbox Series x already costs £500? And already runs a cut back version of windows. Like I said adding a full version of windows on the series x would cost Microsoft nothing. It would fly off the shelves.

Microsoft is selling Xbox Series X at a loss, subsidized by Xbox game sales. So yeah, it would cost Microsoft a great deal and that's exactly why they don't do it.

 

[nosoynadie22]

No matter how bad Xbox console sales are... somehow Sony will always be doomed.

 

[nosoynadie22]

This is the Xbox generation, there is nothing Sony can do against 7 billion users of the Xbox ecosystem

 

[Horseganador]

At a certain point the price doesn't matter, Series S can be bought these days for just over €200, and Series X is cheaper than PS5, even so people want PS5 and that's it.

 

[Crayon]

But the Xbox Series x already costs £500? And already runs a cut back version of windows. Like I said adding a full version of windows on the series x would cost Microsoft nothing. It would fly off the shelves.

Yeah so people could get a heavily subsidized desktop to use steam on. It doesn't make sense except to inflate sales numbers for the sake of it.

 

[Raven117]

Gamepass is still great, but it’s just not enough. Sony has all the excitement right now.

Guess we will find out with the activision acquisition over the long term whether that can save Xbox. They have tried, but it seems they just can’t get their studios to deliver the bangers that Sony has.

 

[jroc74]

No matter how bad Xbox console sales are... somehow Sony will always be doomed.

Yeah...some ppl REALLY arent taking the Xbox sales news too well.

 

[Humdinger]

Yes it sadly is [worse than last gen], at least in France the ratio was between 70/30 and 80/20 for the PS4 and now it's 93/7 for the PS5.

Wow, that's 13 to 1. Unless France is an outlier (and other European countries are more like 3 or 4 to 1), that's bad.

 

[nosoynadie22]

Yeah...some ppl REALLY arent taking the Xbox sales news too well.

Xbox defense force working overtime

 

[demigod]

I am so close to getting rid of my Xbox consoles as well since I have a nice gaming pc

The main reason I owned Xbox was because my son plays there and we would shut off cross play to avoid PCs and we would play some MP games together and living 1000 miles apart anytime we could group and chat I was all in

But lately his gaming has shifted more and more towards single player games so my Xbox doesn't even get used much anymore

Check his bed next time you visit, probably has a PS5 under there.

 

[magnumpy]

Population alone is a pretty worthless metric here.

it's only relevant to human beings. but who cares about those jerks

 

[damidu]

Yeah...some ppl REALLY arent taking the Xbox sales news too well.

Xbox defense force working overtime

total mental collapse mode engaged, sincerely hoping none of these morons are over 13, but who am i kidding

 

[Lucie Goosey]

Yeah I really don’t see it as a problem at all. There are cheap PCs, games are on Steam, there are cloud streaming services, Gamepass is on PC, there are PC handhelds, with docks if you need a TV screen, they’ll be on mobile too soon through King, likely with more MS IPs. And they have the money to handle almost anything.

All this is the main reason why I like what Microsoft are doing. The walls are finally falling. I love not feeling trapped.

I feel similarly.

If Sony would bring their full library to PC, even with a two year delay, I would be in heaven.

 

[Three]

it's only relevant to human beings. but who cares about those jerks

I think he means in terms of the gaming industry. He's right. Otherwise we would be living the "if 1% of China bought an xbox" meme.

 

[Fess]

I feel similarly.

If Sony would bring their full library to PC, even with a two year delay, I would be in heaven.

Not a fan of delays. I end up double dipping. Buying on PS first out of FOMO, then PC later to experience improvements. And since I’ve already finished the game on PS I drop it on PC in a couple hours. Waste of money and waste of a great first impression.

I vastly prefer what MS are doing. Playing Starfield day 1 at Ultra and 100+ fps with mods has been awesome. I just wish Steam Deck was more powerful, haven’t tried after the last update but I assume it’s still barely functional playing natively. In-house streaming works though but with added latency. Will try again when the OLED arrives in a couple days.

 

[Ronin_7]

PS does not need his “charity/good guy” advisement. Games and exclusives do all the talking. Still not sure why they acquired Activision, the studios hold no value for most gamers.

Activision studios are stuck with CoD, all other games they've tried flopped harder than Destruction All Stars.

So it's a CoD factory.

 

[sankt-Antonio]

Simple way for Microsoft to fix this.

Reduce the price of the X to £299 and the S to £150.

Bundle in 12 months of Gamepass with every console sale.

Watch those consoles fly off the shelves.

I wouldn't buy it regardless. Ad's on the console OS, full screen ad's on start up etc. MS is just a shit company I don't want to support.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

lol i have simpler plan
why dont they just handout consoles for free with 3years of gamepass bundled, at the same time maybe buy take2 and use gta6 as gamepass fodder.
that would work for sure. phil can do it, you know warchest and all.

Even more simple; give them away for free and bundle them with lifetime gamepass. Easy win.

You guys may think he was off his rocker, but I actually agree with him.

For me, its about the investment and how they choose to go about it. Between Bethesda and Activision, MS has spent $75B. So the question is, what's a better way to have spent that $75B?

• subsidize XSX price b $400 effectively selling them for $100. With a 3-month free gamepass bonus. a $75B can cover 187M such consoles. But you only need to do it for half that, so for 90M consoles.
• still have $37B left. Now, rather than buy Bethesda, or activision, just pay them 500M for a specific game to be on gamepass after like 6 months. this means you also stop day one gamepass, but rather adopt a system where games will all end up on gamepass after 3-6 months.
• And use the remaining $33B to make sure every major third-party release, for the generation, comes to Xbox and ultimately gamepass.

I feel if they did that, right now, Xbox would be the best-selling console on the market. Everyone would buy an XSX by default being it cost only $100. and would have been $75B better spent than the nonsense they have currently done.

We can't say, they don't have the money, they obviously did.

 

[Crayon]

You guys may think he was off his rocker, but I actually agree with him.

For me, its about the investment and how they choose to go about it. Between Bethesda and Activision, MS has spent $75B. So the question is, what's a better way to have spent that $75B?

• subsidize XSX price b $400 effectively selling them for $100. With a 3-month free gamepass bonus. a $75B can cover 187M such consoles. But you only need to do it for half that, so for 90M consoles.
• still have $37B left. Now, rather than buy Bethesda, or activision, just pay them 500M for a specific game to be on gamepass after like 6 months. this means you also stop day one gamepass, but rather adopt a system where games will all end up on gamepass after 3-6 months.
• And use the remaining $33B to make sure every major third-party release, for the generation, comes to Xbox and ultimately gamepass.

I feel if they did that, right now, Xbox would be the best-selling console on the market. Everyone would buy an XSX by default being it cost only $100. and would have been $75B better spent than the nonsense they have currently done.

We can't say, they don't have the money, they obviously did.

 

[Panajev2001a]

You guys may think he was off his rocker, but I actually agree with him.

For me, its about the investment and how they choose to go about it. Between Bethesda and Activision, MS has spent $75B. So the question is, what's a better way to have spent that $75B?

• subsidize XSX price b $400 effectively selling them for $100. With a 3-month free gamepass bonus. a $75B can cover 187M such consoles. But you only need to do it for half that, so for 90M consoles.
• still have $37B left. Now, rather than buy Bethesda, or activision, just pay them 500M for a specific game to be on gamepass after like 6 months. this means you also stop day one gamepass, but rather adopt a system where games will all end up on gamepass after 3-6 months.
• And use the remaining $33B to make sure every major third-party release, for the generation, comes to Xbox and ultimately gamepass.

I feel if they did that, right now, Xbox would be the best-selling console on the market. Everyone would buy an XSX by default being it cost only $100. and would have been $75B better spent than the nonsense they have currently done.

We can't say, they don't have the money, they obviously did.

What about the generation after that? Do you spend $70 Billion per generation?

 

[Panajev2001a]

Not a fan of delays. I end up double dipping. Buying on PS first out of FOMO, then PC later to experience improvements. And since I’ve already finished the game on PS I drop it on PC in a couple hours. Waste of money and waste of a great first impression.

I vastly prefer what MS are doing. Playing Starfield day 1 at Ultra and 100+ fps with mods has been awesome. I just wish Steam Deck was more powerful, haven’t tried after the last update but I assume it’s still barely functional playing natively. In-house streaming works though but with added latency. Will try again when the OLED arrives in a couple days.

SteamDeck essential (even the high quality one)

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get you a very decent portable StarField and with the higher memory bandwidth of the OLED model (both Ryzen 2 and RDNA2 are very bandwidth sensitive) you might squeeze in more improvements too (I play it with a 30 FPS cap).

 

[Elysium44]

You guys may think he was off his rocker, but I actually agree with him.

For me, its about the investment and how they choose to go about it. Between Bethesda and Activision, MS has spent $75B. So the question is, what's a better way to have spent that $75B?

• subsidize XSX price b $400 effectively selling them for $100. With a 3-month free gamepass bonus. a $75B can cover 187M such consoles. But you only need to do it for half that, so for 90M consoles.
• still have $37B left. Now, rather than buy Bethesda, or activision, just pay them 500M for a specific game to be on gamepass after like 6 months. this means you also stop day one gamepass, but rather adopt a system where games will all end up on gamepass after 3-6 months.
• And use the remaining $33B to make sure every major third-party release, for the generation, comes to Xbox and ultimately gamepass.

I feel if they did that, right now, Xbox would be the best-selling console on the market. Everyone would buy an XSX by default being it cost only $100. and would have been $75B better spent than the nonsense they have currently done.

We can't say, they don't have the money, they obviously did.

Not everyone is so hard up that $500 is a life-changing amount of money. Say you get an XSX only because it was $100 (or free), which is the only reason you got it - you didn't want it otherwise. Then what? There's still no games you want, it's just a paperweight. It would be a desperate move from Microsoft and destroy their brand's value. 'Our console is so terrible we have to give it away.'

 

[DenchDeckard]

I hope xbox have some amazing announcements at the game awards or I feel they are going to get curb stomped again.

 

[Woopah]

Xbox defense force working overtime

The fact that real people believe this bollocks / take the time to make that artwork blows my mind.

 

[dotnotbot]

This is the Xbox generation, there is nothing Sony can do against 7 billion users of the Xbox ecosystem

Funny how only 3 millions from 6-7 billions outside of Xbox consoles subscribe to Gamepass