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[GoldenEye98]

If you are going to be "accurate and honest" then that requires pointing out all the differences, that includes the fact that the Pro is a higher tier console than Xbox Series X. All things are not equal outside of the drive.

I am very aware the PS5 Pro has a different SoC. Everybody's aware hence the price difference. I am trying calculate that price difference accurately by equalizing what's possible to equalize. AKA "all other things equal"

In the most generous comparison with no disc drives(equalized) and storage equalized at 2TB you could say a 2TB Digital PS5 base would be $550 and the price difference is $150 with pro.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I've posted this already, but the 2tb Series X is sold out.

You can buy them here.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/d/xbox-series-x-2tb-galaxy-black-special-edition/8smbrt7wmfp9?activetab=pivot:overviewtab

 

[Topher]

I am very aware the PS5 Pro has a different SoC. Everybody's aware hence the price difference. I am trying calculate that price difference accurately by equalizing what's possible to equalize. AKA "all other things equal"

In the most generous comparison with no disc drives(equalized) and storage equalized at 2TB you could say a 2TB Digital PS5 base would be $550 and the price difference is $150 with pro.

eh.....just creating false equivalencies at this point, but ok.

 

[Radical_3d]

How does a thread about a new motherboard has degenerated into the same old platform war?

 

[Drew1440]

Nice to see Microsoft making improvements to the design, though I wish they made the console itself smaller.

 

[twilo99]

Nice to see Microsoft making improvements to the design, though I wish they made the console itself smaller.

Huge miss but I guess it would've added too much to the cost to change the size/shape of this plastic box?

 

[Mr Reasonable]

You can buy them here.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/d/x...n/8smbrt7wmfp9?activetab=pivot:eek:verviewtab

It's out of stock when I click. Perhaps they underestimated demand in the UK.

You've got to admire this chancer:

Pardon our interruption...

 

[twilo99]

I'm not a fan of what they've done with the cooling on the revised boxes.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

How does a thread about a new motherboard has degenerated into the same old platform war?

Why continue to bring attention to it?

 

[Stevonidas]

Xtreme beach volleyball

You shut your damn mouth.

 

[Diseased Yak]

Dude looks like a Sims character.

He's insufferable. Who are these people on YouTube? My gawd.

 

[JackMcGunns]

Someone's projecting.

 

[Heisenberg007]

$600 for Xbox vs $700 for PS5 Pro is a no brainer.

Exactly. For some reason, people got triggered when I last compared these two consoles and their price points.

 

[Germuso]

Neeeeeeeeeerd

 

[demigod]

What's worse than DOA?

A Masterpiece

 

[The Pleasure]

Dude looks like a Sims character.

I told you the sims 4 was a graphical downgrade.

 

[demigod]

It's out of stock when I click. Perhaps they underestimated demand in the UK.

You've got to admire this chancer:

Pardon our interruption...

You live in UK now?

 

[DenchDeckard]

But it has a stand

And a disk drive...

Yeah, but there ain't no add-on that makes Series X a "Pro" equivalent either.

The series X is the Pro console.

And still, no one cares....

Yet you are here with ...multiple posts in this thread....

 

[UltimaKilo]

series S is 75 % of all xbox sales, so this one will be a niche console

It is baffling that they did not redesign the Series S to make it even smaller and less power hungry, while cutting the price slightly and maybe even stealth increasing the RAM by something like 1GB.

Microsoft could have released the Galaxy Black Special Edition Series X with the 6nm die shrink along with the full compliment 56CU GPU. It may have made it somewhat more attractive, especially if they clocked it up a little. That 1.825GHz GPU clock is very low. The PS5 GPU runs at 2.233GHz for comparison. There’s no reason a die shrunk Series X couldn’t hit similar or slightly higher clocks.

~8% extra CU and ~20% higher clocks would have given us >15.5 TFlops. All for literally no effort.

Such a wasted opportunity but that’s Microsoft for you…

Excellent point. You’re right, typical Microsoft with a wasted opportunity.

It's impressive, yeah. Imagine using a news thread about an internal redesign of a console that makes it use less power, to start screaming how poor it sells. Then imagine that the people doing that are most likely adults.

I imagine the consoles warriors are not older than 20, at most,

 

[FoxMcChief]

Exactly. For some reason, people got triggered when I last compared these two consoles and their price points.

Who was triggered?

 

[Power Pro]

Dude looks like a Sims character.

One that I'd probably build walls around...

 

[TBiddy]

I don't even like Sony.

Okay. I'm sure you're in the minority here, though.

I imagine the consoles warriors are not older than 20, at most,

You'd be surprised. Unfortunately. I don't really care which console people prefer. Most like the PS5, which makes sense, given the much better selection of games available for it. Some like the Xbox, because of the controller, game pass and what not. All of this is understandable.

What I don't understand is what brings grown ass men to derail a thread like this and make it all about how many consoles Sony sells.

Just as impressive as adults who let what others think about a plastic box bother them that much.

Why do you assume I'm bothered about it? I honestly do not get bothered about random people on Neogaf. I even like my favorite stalker, demigod , who goes to great lengths to hand me an emoji on all my posts.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Who was triggered?

I don't want to name names, but there were like 3-4 pages where the entire discussion turned into "Why are you comparing the price point of a 2 TB Series X vs. the price point of a 2 TB PS5 Pro?!"

 

[Esparadrapo]

Hence why it's hyperbole. No-one is disputing that Xbox Series sales have slowed.

Look who's being hyperbolic now.

Microsoft reported an over 40% collapse in hardware sales the last two quarters and obviously started hidding it. This quarter is bound for an over 50% fall. Last year hardware sales were awfully bad and this year they are absolutely catastrophic.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Look who's being hyperbolic now.

Microsoft reported an over 40% collapse in hardware sales the last two quarters and obviously started hidding it. This quarter is bound for an over 50% fall. Last year hardware sales were awfully bad and this year they are absolutely catastrophic.

It’s a disaster, I’d be surprised if they managed to shift 4m units this year

 

[ShadowkillXNA]

Microsoft’s new Xbox Series X models have a smaller chip and different cooling

Microsoft has resigned the internals of its new Xbox models.

www.theverge.com

And they even feature the same godawful first party exclusive library!

 

[ShadowkillXNA]

The Series X was always an incredibly efficient system across the board.

 

[Heisenberg007]

And a vertical stand.

Assuming a person isn't joking about this, the "stand" argument is really stupid, to be honest.

PS5 or PS55 Pro doesn't need a stand. It works 100% fine with whatever comes out of the box.

If you want to stand it vertically - which is an optional thing - one can buy an optional accessory. Just like the Series consoles do not come with vertical/horizontal stands.

The PS5/Pro consoles work perfectly fine without a stand.

 

[FireFly]

It's hard to argue that it's not power efficient. DF measured up to 211W at launch.

 

[kapshin]

Can we talk more about the absurdity that this generation fours years in zero price cuts a d now more expensive hardware.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Okay. I'm sure you're in the minority here, though.



You'd be surprised. Unfortunately. I don't really care which console people prefer. Most like the PS5, which makes sense, given the much better selection of games available for it. Some like the Xbox, because of the controller, game pass and what not. All of this is understandable.

What I don't understand is what brings grown ass men to derail a thread like this and make it all about how many consoles Sony sells.



Why do you assume I'm bothered about it? I honestly do not get bothered about random people on Neogaf. I even like my favorite stalker, demigod , who goes to great lengths to hand me an emoji on all my posts.

You brought it up when you could have ignored it. The fact that you’re still rambling on about it says it all. You’re continuing to derail the thread and I assume you are also a “grown ass man”.

 

[N30RYU]

Dude looks like a SimP character.

Edited

 

[TBiddy]

You brought it up when you could have ignored it. The fact that you’re still rambling on about it says it all. You’re continuing to derail the thread and I assume you are also a “grown ass man”.

Feel free to ignore my posts, my friend.

 

[ManaByte]

It's out of stock when I click. Perhaps they underestimated demand in the UK.

It's a limited edition.

 

[RobRSG]

It's hard to argue that it's not power efficient. DF measured up to 211W at launch.

Yes, I wonder what was so funny because the statement is correct.

 

[BlackTron]

What I don't understand is what brings grown ass men to derail a thread like this and make it all about how many consoles Sony sells.

If you read the thread it's not hard to answer this question. The thread is about a Series X board revision. Someone commented that they aren't sure why when they aren't selling the one they have. Someone else retorted that they are selling it and started acting like a baby posting comically fake Xbox numbers. There is a lot more talk about Xbox sales in here than PS5, but you shouldn't be surprised PS5 sales become a legitimate point in the conversation given their inverse relationship with Xbox sales.

Xbox sales rate is currently near the same rate Wii U needed to move the number it did in its lifespan, so to make a comment about sales with a console revision isn't exactly drive-by shit posting. Then Xbox stan showed up and blew the conversation open. Take your holier-than-thou attitude somewhere else.

 

[Three]

Yes, I wonder what was so funny because the statement is correct.

I think it has to do with the fact that he said "across the board". The SoC in use is pretty efficient for the performance it provides but xbox's standby mode sucks for efficiency and is power hungry at 15watts, to the point where xbox did an update that forced them into shutdown instead so people don't use that mode (and don't get any of the benefits either). In comparison in Rest mode the PS5 used just 0.36watts to 1.3Watts with all features enabled .
When people had the default standby mode on xbox or enable it-it's pretty bad for the electricity bill. Like leaving 2 living room lights on 24/7. Xbox and PS also both suck for things like streaming video. They use around ~50watts, but streaming sticks (or the TV itself) uses a tenth of that at 5Watts.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Feel free to ignore my posts, my friend.

Feel free to do the same to the adults who bother you, my friend.

 

[TBiddy]

If you read the thread it's not hard to answer this question. The thread is about a Series X board revision. Someone commented that they aren't sure why when they aren't selling the one they have. Someone else retorted that they are selling it and started acting like a baby posting comically fake Xbox numbers. There is a lot more talk about Xbox sales in here than PS5, but you shouldn't be surprised PS5 sales become a legitimate point in the conversation given their inverse relationship with Xbox sales.

Xbox sales rate is currently near the same rate Wii U needed to move the number it did in its lifespan, so to make a comment about sales with a console revision isn't exactly drive-by shit posting. Then Xbox stan showed up and blew the conversation open. Take your holier-than-thou attitude somewhere else.

Feel free to continue derailing threads with things that are completely irrelevant. Just makes you look bad.

Take care.

 

[Venom Snake]

Cerny in shambles.

 

[BlackTron]

Feel free to continue derailing threads with things that are completely irrelevant. Just makes you look bad.

Take care.

If someone said "what's the point of making a Wii U revision", you would have shown up and said "why are you derailing threads with irrelevant things"?

It would be an irrelevant thread derail for you to say that and yes, it does make you look bad. Thanks for the case study on the principle you're teaching us.

 

[ManaByte]

Can we talk more about the absurdity that this generation fours years in zero price cuts a d now more expensive hardware.

There is a next gen option you can regularly buy for under $200, especially around Christmas. But that console triggers people.

 

[BlackTron]

There is a next cross gen option you can regularly buy for under $200, especially around Christmas. But that console triggers people.

 

[Bernoulli]

Assuming a person isn't joking about this, the "stand" argument is really stupid, to be honest.

PS5 or PS55 Pro doesn't need a stand. It works 100% fine with whatever comes out of the box.

If you want to stand it vertically - which is an optional thing - one can buy an optional accessory. Just like the Series consoles do not come with vertical/horizontal stands.

The PS5/Pro consoles work perfectly fine without a stand.

I never used the stand that comes with the console, I just put it vertically without it

 

[Shake Your Rump]

If you want to stand it vertically - which is an optional thing - one can buy an optional accessory. Just like the Series consoles do not come with vertical/horizontal stands.

The issue is that the PS5 did come with a vertical stand. A really nice one, at that. It also came with an optical drive integrated.

The console is exclusively marketed vertically. It’s clearly designed to be vertical, both aesthetically and for cooling purposes. It’s a “pro”, top of the line product that can’t be bothered to include even their current cheap version of the stand. It’s insulting, really.

 

[DenchDeckard]

After all this...The Series X galaxy black is sold out in the UK....

Assuming a person isn't joking about this, the "stand" argument is really stupid, to be honest.

PS5 or PS55 Pro doesn't need a stand. It works 100% fine with whatever comes out of the box.

If you want to stand it vertically - which is an optional thing - one can buy an optional accessory. Just like the Series consoles do not come with vertical/horizontal stands.

The PS5/Pro consoles work perfectly fine without a stand.

The series X has a stand built into it's design, because microsoft engineers clearly know how to design a product.

 

[Naked Lunch]

Can we talk more about the absurdity that this generation fours years in zero price cuts a d now more expensive hardware.

Not to mention almost no games really worth playing in comparison to past generations.
All this fancy tech for games that are inferior.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

I can't believe this is even a topic. Never in the history of consoles has a small change with zero benefits been talked about this much.

Guys, there are small revisions all the time.

 

[GHG]

Not to mention almost no games really worth playing in comparison to past generations.
All this fancy tech for games that are inferior.

Speak for yourself.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Speak for yourself.

Was just thinking this. That’s not this generation’s problem.