JTCx
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You glazing the shitty UI already puts you on the bottom of the rat colony.
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Xbox will no longer have permanent console exclusives going forward according to Jez Corden
You glazing the shitty UI already puts you on the bottom of the rat colony.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
ChorizoPicozo
Member
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
This sounds so unbelievable that if I didn't know your track record, I'll call you a flat our LIAR! The bolded is beyond amazing to read though. This scene you just laid out needs to be in a book or a documentary. Just imagine thinking the trailer for your $200 million game (I'm assuming it was at least that much in cost at the time) was a prank......only to find it your boss loved it and it was the real trailer.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I likely could write a book with the years of hanging out with those people
ChorizoPicozo
Member
it would be six feet under. Xbox not only failed to grow but also contracted year over year.
That meme could be used for Game Pass too.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
But then you'd be hit with 700,000 legal notices before you could even sign a publishing deal LOL!
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Not to mention burn all contacts I currently have still supplying me with deets
chromatic9
Member
Fitting as well with the space suit as Starfield was the first big game to test the water.
If it's any consolation, I think Satya's plan is to buy up ip, ABK is huge with Candy Crush etc. He doesn't like the exclusive nature and I doubt he thought Xbox was going to make it work, while at the top they just want ip. They also bought Minecraft. Games have become a platform and MS can always pivot if Sony start losing their way. It's a really tough and fickle business the home console market, a lot of outlay for a risky return with how service games and younger gens consume media. From the 80s up until about 2015-2020 it's been a linear progression that you could have confidence in backing.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
In my country after about 20 years politicians are finally ready to talk about what really happened behind closed doors. By then it's basically just history.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I am still getting great intel on future hardware, can’t turn my back on that just yet
Bumblebeetuna
Member
At ease, warrior
Fess
Member
So you think it was a good thing for them?
Idk, I haven’t seen any fruits of that gigantic investment yet. Everything has gone downhill for their whole ecosystem. And the Gamepass output has been a joke, they added MW3 and BO6 and called it a day, and Diablo 4. Then they removed day 1 games from lower GP tiers.
Stamps1646
Member
Xbox hasn't had an exclusive in a decade, they went multiplatform in 2014.
I just don't think internally MS is looking at shit like Forza like "WE CANNOT LET THIS ON ANY OTHER PLATFORM!!" I mean at this point what is the rationale for leaving money on the table with a pretty standard racing game, let alone most of their games. I could see them being more precious about Gears of War going multi-platform, but even Fable as a franchise is so dusty at this point, not to mention the last iteration of it wasn't a huge success. Lionhead Studios doesn't even exist anymore, I think that says enough.
In general, a lot of the tentpole titles people have historically associated with the Xbox brand don't really have any roots anymore. The people who played the original Fable on Xbox (and liked it! Myself included) are all old enough to probably not give a shit about a dormant franchise like that anymore. There's only so much money to be made off of 'legacy' IP.
There's really no point in fanboying over Xbox anymore – none of the 'classic' first party IPs people are holding out for are even developed by the same studios who made the IPs popular in the first place. You don't know who's making the shit anymore, why are you assuming it's going to be worthwhile? It might be, but it has a greater chance of missing the mark in my opinion.
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spons
Gold Member
The only reason I haven't unplugged my Series S is because I have a large game library.
And even if they won't make a new traditional console, they can't outright kill the online services/re-downloads from the store.
Not without refunding years of purchases like Google did with Stadia, which would be hilarious though (and good for my bank account).
Moved to PC a couple of months ago (together with my Switch) and haven't looked back.
And even if they won't make a new traditional console, they can't outright kill the online services/re-downloads from the store.
Not without refunding years of purchases like Google did with Stadia, which would be hilarious though (and good for my bank account).
Moved to PC a couple of months ago (together with my Switch) and haven't looked back.
Klayzer
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playbignbox
Member
As long as this is the strategy, Xbox hardware won't last long. I like my Series X and believe it's better than the PS5 in some aspects (GamePass, backwards compatibility, off set analog sticks, VRR, quick resume, free cloud saves, etc). I'm keeping mine and enjoying the day one games on GamePass, I'm playing Indiana Jones and looking forward to Doom next year, but it's going to be hard to justify getting an Xbox in the next generation, since PlayStation will be fully supported by Microsoft and its studios. GamePass almost alone isn't a strong enough reason.
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Lord Malachite
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I probably should have said their greatest period began about 20 years ago with the leadup to the 360. 2005 - 2010 Xbox was indeed a massive peak but heavily marred by the RROD snafu. Gameswise they were very impressive.
It's really a shame how they squandered the 360's success. The RROD was a black eye, but in the end they did do the right thing with it.
Unfortunately, they just resyed on their laurels after 2010, no longer pumping out big first party titles and disappearing up their own asshole with Kinect. And of course the disatrous reveal, leadup, and launch of XB1 was like a masterclass inhow to dynamite your own foundation. Nothing Xbox has tried since has moved the needle in a discernible way, including Gamepass and massive acquisitions.
Kerotan
Member
Gears of war, halo 3, BioShock, mass effect, lost planet plus a lot of timed exclusive Japanese games. Not only getting GTA IV day 1 but it got the expansions 6 month's early. Xbox the main platform for COD4/WAW/MW2 multiplayer. I'm sure I'm missing a few more games.
Xbox with the paid multiplayer bringing in a ton of revenue. The ball was really in the Xbox court.
dano1
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You don’t. Xbox is all about making money. Hardware isn’t it.
I find the UI on PS5 to be better. Functionally I prefer PS5, and with it being 4K HDR compared to 1080p SDR on Xbox, it looks much better to me too.
Controllers are about equal to me. I like the touchpad on the PS5 controller, but I don't care for the haptics as I turn vibration off on all systems, I don't like having a speaker in the controller either. The big benefit of the Xbox controller to me is the use of AA batteries, they last a long time compared to the PS5 controller, which feels like I'm having to constantly charge it.
Gamepass is definitely a strong point for Xbox, especially since I can use MS Reward points to pay for it. I like it not just for the MS exclusives, but also 3rd party games. For example I really liked Case of the Golden Idol, and I don't think I would have ever played it without Gamepass.
At the end of the day though, if Xbox isn't going to have exclusives, I will end up switching back full-time to Playstation, with a few Switch games mixed in.
Fess
Member
You want a realistic take?
It all depends if you still play the games you own. If you don’t then you don’t need Xbox.
But assuming you still want access to your previously purchased games you need Xbox because there is microscopical chance that they would add your whole library of games to PS5.
It’s actually unlikely that you’ll have ANY access to previous purchases, most likely you have to rebuy everything on PS Store, and no save transfer.
And older frame boost BC titles won’t likely be added either with the higher framerate since that’s some low level emulation coding wizardry.
Any past consoles titles are unlikely to be added.
At best they’ll add new upcoming games to PS Store.
Then possibly a late port here and there for this generation of titles, which you have to repurchase, if it’s a super popular IP like Forza Horizon.
They could in theory add a bigger chunk of games in one go through cloud streaming, if Sony allow an app like that, which is unlikely.
But is streaming good enough?
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cireza
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I agree with most of what you said here.
Whether they can make an Xbox compatibility layer on PC remains to be seen. They know very well that people will not accept to lose their content when moving on whatever their next hardware will be.
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Nydius
Gold Member
The DualSense being vastly superior to the Xbox Series controller isn’t an option, it’s an objective fact.
The Xbox Series controllers are nothing more than a very slightly redesigned Xbox One controller (a bit narrower overall) with an added share button. They have all the same problems as Xbox One controllers, namely flimsy ass construction that lead to bumper, d-pad, and face button failures.
The DualSense is a complete redesign of the DualShock and improves on features like gyro support, adaptive triggers, and touchpad control. It isn’t flawless of course and has stick drift issues but so does the Xbox controller.
In terms of features, the damn Switch Pro controller is more advanced than the Xbox Series controllers. If the Switch Pro controllers had analog triggers, they’d outclass the Xbox
Series controller in every way.
Lord Malachite
Member
It absolutely was. Xbox was doing very well in the first half of the 7th generation. I can only assume that the massive expense of correcting the RROD issue caused them to stop investing in first party games the last part of the generation as so few came out after 2010 that weren't Kinect titles. They totally coasted. This strategy might not have hurt them, but the RROD also forced Xbox to take its boot off of Sony's neck and boy did they use that break to make major headway. Come the end of the generation, no one expected the PS3 to have regained so much competitiveness. It was supposed to be an also ran, a monument to Sony's hubris. While the PS3 is the worst selling of the PlayStation consoles, the generation itself was a massive powerhouse, with PS360 combined selling nearly 170 million consoles, plus another 100 million from the Wii. That's roughly 270 million consoles over the generation, a fantastic achievement across the board!
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Fess
Member
Yeah I certainly hope they know that but we’ll see. I lost so much content when going from WiiU to Switch, 100s of VC titles, but I fear I’ll have similar loss here on Xbox with XBLA and legacy console games in my library because MS just can’t get things done properly. They need that Xbox compatibility layer working on all devices they pretend are Xboxes. And I’ll never accept streaming. Can it be done? I doubt it.
GHG
Member
Yes, and I warned you of this exact scenario along with the gamepass price hikes in the ABK merger thread (although, I didn't think both would happen simultaneously, but here we are).
I just got met with "but muh cheap games subscription" along with being accused of sowing doom and gloom. Oh well.
Fess
Member
Yeah you had some serious Nostradamus things going there no doubt. I was there and just wanted more games on Gamepass, never thought it would end like this, have barely got anything at all on GP. Oh wellYes, and I warned you of this exact scenario along with the gamepass price hikes in the ABK merger thread (although, I didn't think both would happen simultaneously, but here we are).
I just got met with "but muh cheap games subscription" along with being accused of sowing doom and gloom. Oh well.
yazenov
Member
Yes, and I warned you of this exact scenario along with the gamepass price hikes in the ABK merger thread (although, I didn't think both would happen simultaneously, but here we are).
I just got met with "but muh cheap games subscription" along with being accused of sowing doom and gloom. Oh well.
drganon
Member
That Iraq minister of information was more honest.
GHG
Member
No other scenarios ever made any sense from a numbers perspective because of the amount of money involved in the deal (and even more so when you combine that with all the other acquisitions they had already completed up until that point).
I don't know why so many people thought Microsoft would suddenly turn in to a charity overnight.
The phrase high off your own supply comes to mind when looking back at this.
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Moridianae
Member
Still wondering when Starfield will inevitably show up.
It's much maligned in a lot of ways, but it surely is a game folks seem to at least want on PS or view it as a key game to solidify this new strategy.
Seems the rumored Oblivion remake is PS5/Switch 2 also, so I'm not sure why they are so hesitant on Starfield.
It's much maligned in a lot of ways, but it surely is a game folks seem to at least want on PS or view it as a key game to solidify this new strategy.
Seems the rumored Oblivion remake is PS5/Switch 2 also, so I'm not sure why they are so hesitant on Starfield.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
But without ABK, Xbox would literally be able to sustain itself with the warchest for two more generations. The cost of ABK is worth a decade or more of Playstation's yearly budget.
Buying ABK was what emptied the warchest. And that was the beginning of the end.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Another cool opinion.
You can go on and on about the bells and whistles the DualSense has, it doesn’t matter to me personally. Returnal is the only game I have played on my DualSense that uses the haptic triggers in any way that is unique. No one has ever cared about the touchpad.
I care about what feels better to hold and use, so I prefer the Xbox controller. You’re welcome to disagree, it’s just an opinion.
Fess
Member
No point porting anything unless there is a clear demand. Going by online talk PS fans has made it clear from day 1 that they hate Starfield. Could be warrior noise but how would Bethesda know that? Maybe they send out an online survey some day, make sure to say you’re interested it if that happens. A port require dev resources so it won’t happen unless they see it bring in some money.
Oblivion was already a multiplat release and was loved by both PS and Xbox fans. A remake as a multiplat seems perfectly logical there.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They already have PS5 version done, and for quite some time now. It's just a matter of when they announce it.
gooner4life_uk
Member
I doubt they have anything done, it's a very lean Christmas season on PS5, no Assassins Creed, no Battlefield, nothing outside of COD in the casual AAA market, if they had Forza or Halo or Starfield ready they would have dropped it.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
NickFire
Member
You might be right. But I wouldn't be surprised if they are sitting on one or two in hopes of moving hardware stock.
gooner4life_uk
Member
I'm sure they're working on them, but consumer spending is highest at this time of the year and they won't want to sit on all that money even if it is Phil Spencer and his merry band of fucktards making the decision.
cireza
Member
AI pictures.
No problem, this guy can have the left arm two times as long as the right arm.
James Sawyer Ford
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LordCBH
Member
Seems like perfect human anatomy what you talkin bout lol. My left arm is also 3 feet longer than my right arm.
Lord Malachite
Member
PS only gamer here. I hate Starfield--not because it's not on PS5, but because it's not the type of game that appeals to me even remotely. I wouldn't have bought it if it were a PS5 exclusive with no PC or Xbox release. So if Xbox brings it over to PS5, that's great for the PS only gamers longing to play it, but the game doesn't suddenly become appealing to me. I'm not a fan of games like this, never got the hype for No Man's Sky
I also don't have any love for the venerable The Elder Scrolls series. I won't be buying any of the upcoming games, so whether or not they come to PS5 makes zero difference to me. And I'm very lukewarm on the next DooM. 2016 was phenomenal and a grand experience but I absolutely despise DooM: Eternal with a passion. The gameplay loop just feels so weak to me in comparison to 2016 and the platforming is god awful. So I'm in no rush to jump back into the series. I'd rather see iD resurrect the Quake series.
There are other Xbox only games I would happily play. I've never touched Halo or Gears Of War. I'd be into those. I also like arcadey racers, so Forza Horizon might hold some serious appeal for me. Those are games I would buy and play on my PS5 if Xbox brings them over. I'm sure there are some lesser titles from the past I've forgotten about as well.
Obviously I don't speak for all PS only gamers--probably not even most of them. I just know what I'd go for from the Xbox catalog.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Or, when he would never say profitable but use ‘sustainable’ instead. And that was supposed to mean the same thing.
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