alexandros
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Yup.
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XCOM: Enemy Unknown |OT| Neo GAF is Under Alien Control
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Yup.
Patches don't make money the way DLC does.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Which brings back the point that it is better to have lasers.I think I also did it without lasers, but I had improved armor, how about you?
I didn't. What happened was that I got lucky with a couple of cryssalids going for civvies in my LOS instead of off-screen or my own soldiers, and about half of the floaters getting caught in overwatch crossfire as they showed up.
The cryssalids are the only hard part about early terrors and I was dealt a good hand with how they attacked, the floaters were cake, though I did have one pucker moment when I had to run an assault blind to the top of a building to get a floater that had holed up. Got lucky it was close enough to flank.
I say, start at least a game on Normal to see how it plays out.
Incendiary
Banned
This is a good description of XCOM.
electricpirate
Member
Next Patch is on the way,
http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?177126-XCOM-Enemy-Unknown-2nd-Patch-update
Seems like it hits about 80% of the worst issues.
http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?177126-XCOM-Enemy-Unknown-2nd-Patch-update
Seems like it hits about 80% of the worst issues.
We'll be here in a few minutes to console you.
Unity2012
Member
Good choice. The key now is "have fun and save without shame" there is always the next game to do a full ironman.
Ha! So true... regardless of difficulty at some point we all need therapy support. It is the XCOM way.
There is an autosave function in the Options menu. While you don''t have to save-scum, it's nice to ave the last 2-3 turns saved automatically, especially in the case of bugs. And I'm not talking the huge ones with big teeth and sharp claws that want to eat you, only the programming ones.
Good cover and Hunker down are your friends. Don't dash too soon unless you have too.
Good luck, commander.
Vol5
Member
The difficulty seems to go fucking crazy after the Alien Ship mission. Might have to develop Psi-Armor to protect my squad from getting nailed.
If there's one this I'd change with the game in general is the Snipers field of view. It needs to be extended. I'm constantly moving him / her a few tiles forward to get into a killzone. Snipers should be picking bad guys up from range.
If there's one this I'd change with the game in general is the Snipers field of view. It needs to be extended. I'm constantly moving him / her a few tiles forward to get into a killzone. Snipers should be picking bad guys up from range.
TemplaerDude
Member
Squad sight bro.
They're a pain to level up until you have squad sight, which I feel is a must. Not even sure what the other ability at that junction is.
Reach Corporal level, pick Squad Sight. What your other soldiers can see, the sniper can see, if there's a clear line of fire to it. Put sniper somewhere with a good view
like in the air with Archangel Armor on
Snap Shot. You can fire the sniper rifle after moving at a 20% penalty to aim.
TemplaerDude
Member
If you ask me the first sniper you get should always be squad sight. Snap shot is awesome, but a getting a squad sight sniper ranked up as fast as possible is so fucking key, they just wreck shit up and late game with the right equipment and specced the right way... they're just murdering machines.
Go with normal ironman or vanilla classic. I would recommend the latter, since normal's poor AI and strategic hand-holding get annoying fast.
normal normal.use saves
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
On your next playthrough, turn on subtitles for the final mission.
electricpirate
Member
After getting wupped three times on classic Ironman, I went down to save scummed classic. I'll say this,
1) I learned how to play the tactical layer. By trying, failing, retrying, failing, retrying the same situation, I realized what movement strategies worked and what didn't. In ironman, the situations were too different to take a lot of tactical lessons from, so I would make similar mistakes because the situations looked slightly different.
2) The tactical layer is still fun, the strategy layer becomes boring. When there's never a fear of losing a tactical engagement, those strategy layer decisions matter less.
My suggestion, play till you see the high level enemies and it ceases to be hard while save scumming, the start over in ironman where the game takes a whole new level of awesome.
1) I learned how to play the tactical layer. By trying, failing, retrying, failing, retrying the same situation, I realized what movement strategies worked and what didn't. In ironman, the situations were too different to take a lot of tactical lessons from, so I would make similar mistakes because the situations looked slightly different.
2) The tactical layer is still fun, the strategy layer becomes boring. When there's never a fear of losing a tactical engagement, those strategy layer decisions matter less.
My suggestion, play till you see the high level enemies and it ceases to be hard while save scumming, the start over in ironman where the game takes a whole new level of awesome.
Okay so Yahtzee just gave XCOM probably the most positive review Ive seen from Zero Punctuation in a while. You guys are all saying its great too. Im definitely feeling the peer pressure to at least download the demo.
Heres the problem: I still have the entire original series sitting uninstalled on my Steam game list. I just I dont wanna feel like I wasted those five US dollars on those five games, but theyre so far down on my backlog man.
Just tell me this: How similar is the new one to the likes of Valkyria Chronicles or Final Fantasy Tactics?
Heres the problem: I still have the entire original series sitting uninstalled on my Steam game list. I just I dont wanna feel like I wasted those five US dollars on those five games, but theyre so far down on my backlog man.
Just tell me this: How similar is the new one to the likes of Valkyria Chronicles or Final Fantasy Tactics?
Similar, but different in very significant ways. Honestly, just DL the demo and play it.
You'll know immediately if you want to buy the full game. The demo is an excellent intro.
Too lazy for that? Watch the demo playthrough here.
while this patch is welcomed and they are good fixes, after all this time I was hoping something bigger. At least fixing the crashes, especially on the final mission. Also no disabling shot granting infinite reaction shots fix? How about the flight glitches that the preview path that it shows will be totally wrong and your unit will end going to the wrong place. Parts UI becoming unresponsive if you switch characters with an Alien targeted with an ability, grappling hook, and the Psi training glitches. Some balance fixes would have been nice as well.
Really this patch seems a tad slight IMO.
Impeccable
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After all my bitching and complaining about the PS3 version, I keep coming back.
I've got it this time, I'm sitting pretty heading into June (or July) only lost one country and sats in everyone before the end of the month.
I finally figured out the secretzzzzz to the squad stuff, well secrets as in I'm doing almost perfect on every mission even on Classic Ironman.
In fact my last Terror mission had me kill 30 Aliens (Zombies add up!) and I only lost two of my soldiers ... one of my SQ. (who cares) when I over extended by about two tiles. And the other due to sudden roof jumping Chryssalid of doom.
Got light plasma researched so it's a quick slope until the end... I've got it.
(I just jinxed it, I'll get a game ending bug now.)
I've got it this time, I'm sitting pretty heading into June (or July) only lost one country and sats in everyone before the end of the month.
I finally figured out the secretzzzzz to the squad stuff, well secrets as in I'm doing almost perfect on every mission even on Classic Ironman.
In fact my last Terror mission had me kill 30 Aliens (Zombies add up!) and I only lost two of my soldiers ... one of my SQ. (who cares) when I over extended by about two tiles. And the other due to sudden roof jumping Chryssalid of doom.
Got light plasma researched so it's a quick slope until the end... I've got it.
(I just jinxed it, I'll get a game ending bug now.)
I'm in the second half of classic ironman and it's clear that I'm going to win now... but I wouldn't recommend anyone play this mode unless you want the achievement or something. Simply play it in the same style, but with a save to fall back on if the game screws up. It's too buggy to suffer through some of this stuff.
I just had a mission where I spent a turn, all 6 guys, looking for a tile that would let me aim at a floater who was right up against a ceiling. This guy is right in the middle of everyone and he can sure as hell hit me, but I could only make out 2 tiles where I could aim at him. Grenades don't work because he's in the air... it was just a mess. Later in the same mission I had a muton take an overwatch shot on me as I stumbled onto him through the fog of war. What happened was that 3 of them appeared on a turn and scrambled in different directions. This guy somehow scrambled through a wall, to the outside of a ship and stayed on permanent overwatch. Never moved, nothing. Then, there's the phantom cover bonuses on clearly flanked people. These guys can't one shot kill me anymore, but a 10 hit point shot is still annoying from a guy that should clearly have been dead on a previous turn.
I just had a mission where I spent a turn, all 6 guys, looking for a tile that would let me aim at a floater who was right up against a ceiling. This guy is right in the middle of everyone and he can sure as hell hit me, but I could only make out 2 tiles where I could aim at him. Grenades don't work because he's in the air... it was just a mess. Later in the same mission I had a muton take an overwatch shot on me as I stumbled onto him through the fog of war. What happened was that 3 of them appeared on a turn and scrambled in different directions. This guy somehow scrambled through a wall, to the outside of a ship and stayed on permanent overwatch. Never moved, nothing. Then, there's the phantom cover bonuses on clearly flanked people. These guys can't one shot kill me anymore, but a 10 hit point shot is still annoying from a guy that should clearly have been dead on a previous turn.
I bet it's been done for a while now. Gotta wait for that certification!
MrCompletely
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Normal Ironman, for sure. In fact, I would recommend easy ironman before normal ironman
*Disclaimer: I have not tried easy.
Normal is pretty manageable once you learn the ropes, but you'll still lose colonels in the late game.
It destroys your soul.
Basically you can't save/load previous saves. So it makes it a lot tougher because we all know shit happens in this game that makes you want to reload.
Playing through classic ironman at the moment. Those first few missions are rough. I'm in month three now and I have my carapace armor and a few good soldiers and I'm breezing through (even with Mutons now in play... those drones are going to be hard though. No laser/plasma weapons YET).
Classic was the first difficulty I went with. Non-ironman. I got pretty far in and just got destroyed in a certain mission. I decided I wanted to play through normal ironman first... it's ridiculously easy. By the end I was just setting up soldiers to soak up damage and hardly lost anyone. I didn't finish the game though, I just started over on classic ironman.
It restricts you to one autosave, which it will do automatically after every turn and after every geospace move.
TemplaerDude
Member
I always went with in the zone. With the proper planning and a good amount of support your sniper can just start taking near infinite amount of shots.
Don't do it unless you like having a bucket filled with you're own tears.
TemplaerDude
Member
No way. In the zone, damn good ground, exectioner and ghost armor. flank them with the sniper, wear them down with the rest of the squad, blap blap blap blap blap. 5 dead enemies without using a single action.
It was a fucking shooting gallery. 100%. Dead. In the Zone! 100%. Dead. In the Zone! 100%. Dead. In the Zone! 100%. Dead. In the Zone! 100%. Dead. In the Zone!
I can't risk wearing them down, those end-game dudes could end me pretty quickly if I don't take most of them out during the initial encounter.
afreaknamedpete
Member
Blow them up! Grenades were made for situations like that.
Yeah, got all but the three. They killed the exposed one, after which the guy next to him panicked and shot a team mate. He survived, but I'm waiting for the patch for now. (Had another game go sideways shortly before, so I was in no mood.)
In case it's not clear, those spawned all at once in front of the guy behind the tombstone. Imagine if it happened later game. Four packs of Mutons all at once, while not the worst, would probably be really, really bad.
Selected guy: Move west to the second flower pot, do not use the second AP yet. Guy at the eastern flowerpot is flanking an enemy. Kill it. Move inured guy to where the first selected guy was standing. Throw grenade at the three closest Sectoids. Guy in front of the flower pot moves in range of a grenade throw on the two Sectoids behind the benches. The currently selected guy either shoots at or throws grenade at the two remaining Sectoids.
End result: 0-2 Sectoids alive on the alien turn, all units in cover. It's a bad situation, but it's manageable.
weekend_warrior
Banned
You must get In the Zone/ Double tap at Colonel because I have a Sniper at Major and haven't seen that yet. Even still, she's an absolute beast and the cornerstone of my squad. Pure, efficient, killing machine.
Double tap is the "safe" option, but In The Zone could potentially give higher rewards if used correctly.
The only way to do it is to have two snipers. Snapshot/In The Zone, Squadsight/Double tap.
Thank god for those civilians in the terror mission, something to distract ET. Used the first turn out of the skyranger for the usual run to cover + 6 guys in overwatch. In ONE enemy turn, 2 heavy floater gangs and 2 mutons + berserker gangs show up. If it was just me vs them it would have been a blood bath. As it turned out, I only lost one guy.
Chalk this up to more glitches/poorly executed design. I didn't move more than 20 feet from the skyranger the whole terror mission, everyone just spawned right in front of me... mostly in 1 turn. I just need to sit tight and wait for Dishonored to ship, before all this frustration turns me off the game I loved playing since the day it came out.
Chalk this up to more glitches/poorly executed design. I didn't move more than 20 feet from the skyranger the whole terror mission, everyone just spawned right in front of me... mostly in 1 turn. I just need to sit tight and wait for Dishonored to ship, before all this frustration turns me off the game I loved playing since the day it came out.
No plan is reliable once it encounters the enemy. Or XCOM. And doing minimum damage on a flanked target is just disappointing. A slightly more exploitative move would have been to put the guy on Overwatch as a flanked enemy will often freeze if it knows it's being threatened with an Overwatch.
How did the fight go, anyway? Did you win?