I'll say it right here. And this has no spoilers, but if they do decide to connect the games, the timeline would most likely happen like:
Xenoblade -> Xenoblade X -> Xenosaga -> Xenogears
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Xenoblade 3D |OT| Is that a Monado in your pocket or are you just really feeling it?
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I'll say it right here. And this has no spoilers, but if they do decide to connect the games, the timeline would most likely happen like:
Xenoblade -> Xenoblade X -> Xenosaga -> Xenogears
I believe your eShop bucks are no good on the eShop website.
Yes. I'll be quoting some lines in the ending and describing more of what goes on in that final stretch of the game so please don't read any further if you don't want to be spoilered.
"Ridiculous. It's perfectly safe. We are about to bear witness to the birth of a universe. Once, only a god could perform such a miracle. But today, mankind moves one step closer to the divine!"
"It was simple curiosity. The curiosity of a single man that destroyed the universe and created a new one."
Also supported by the way he acts throughout the game. The final area also supports the idea that the scientists were from Earth specifically, given that the final area is our solar system. And the Bionis and Mechonis come about directly from the result of the experiment. Also there are Nopon on Mira and we know there aren't any on Earth hahaha.
"It was simple curiosity. The curiosity of a single man that destroyed the universe and created a new one."
Also supported by the way he acts throughout the game. The final area also supports the idea that the scientists were from Earth specifically, given that the final area is our solar system. And the Bionis and Mechonis come about directly from the result of the experiment. Also there are Nopon on Mira and we know there aren't any on Earth hahaha.
Xenoblade ending spoilers follow:
I believe it is explicitly "our Earth", yeah, since you see the approach to it through our solar system. Of course, being a JRPG, they could always explain away things like that somehow. I also think the games will end up being connected, but I think it's more likely that (New) Earth and Mira exist in the post-XB1 universe (and are prehaps alluded to by Shulk's "I hope we can visit all the other worlds out there").
TheMoon
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Correct.
Klaus's reason was simply curiosity. The curiosity of a single man destroyed the entire universe.
He had no idea the expiriment was going to result in that outcome, he thought it was perfectly safe, he likely thought it was going to be a very small, little bang, simply one step closer to the divine, that they could record the data from, and some time in the future reproduce in an area far from earth on a larger scale. He didnt have enough knowledge of what could possibly happen (Meyneths main protest, the results were not confirmed).
Its basically Super hadron collider worst fears/gone too far Takahashi edition.
So the old world was destroyed, and for some reason the new one that was born was based on the metaphysics of Gottfreid Leibnitz's Monadology (Was Klaus doing some bedtime reading the night before?)
He had no idea the expiriment was going to result in that outcome, he thought it was perfectly safe, he likely thought it was going to be a very small, little bang, simply one step closer to the divine, that they could record the data from, and some time in the future reproduce in an area far from earth on a larger scale. He didnt have enough knowledge of what could possibly happen (Meyneths main protest, the results were not confirmed).
Its basically Super hadron collider worst fears/gone too far Takahashi edition.
So the old world was destroyed, and for some reason the new one that was born was based on the metaphysics of Gottfreid Leibnitz's Monadology (Was Klaus doing some bedtime reading the night before?)
foxuzamaki
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We getting deep in xenoblade lore in here, even tho I dont have xenoblade 3DS, just the wii version, maybe I should get involved in this OT anyways.
theprodigy
Member
too much lore discussion, needs more gameplay talk
also take the XCX talk to the related threads instead
CertifiedFP
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FFFFFFFF- And here I was thinking Monado was simply a made up word within the limitations of Japanese writing akin to how Metroid's name was a word someone pulled out of their ass, when all along it was a real French word.
Alright, I'll ask this one again that I asked yesterday... Is there any net negative effect from the decrease in horizontal viewing area relative to vertical? Considering that the 3DS is 15:9 whilst the Wii version was 16:9.
Alright, I'll ask this one again that I asked yesterday... Is there any net negative effect from the decrease in horizontal viewing area relative to vertical? Considering that the 3DS is 15:9 whilst the Wii version was 16:9.
Sodding_Gamer
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Damn I'm level 12 and I'm getting absolutely destroyed by this
Embarrassingly early in the cave and I've tried playing as both Reyn and Shulk and no dice. Can barely whittle it down to 3/4 health before we both die. I'm rubbish with the combat :/
Might just try and grind and over-level myself. Unless I'm missing something really stupid I don't know if I'm skilled enough to overcome it!
giant spider in the cave.
Might just try and grind and over-level myself. Unless I'm missing something really stupid I don't know if I'm skilled enough to overcome it!
TheMoon
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I think nobody responding or talking about it should be a clue
Didn't even think once about it until you brought it up.
Have you made sure to read the descriptions of yours and Reyn's Arts? So that you know what they do and when it makes most sense to use specific ones? Shulk can heal and you get the visions which gives you a chance to heal the targeted party member or inflict a status effect on the boss that cancels its attack. Re-read the combat tutorials in the menu. It shouldn't be this hard. You don't need to grind.
Sodding_Gamer
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I think nobody responding or talking about it should be a clue
Didn't even think once about it until you brought it up.
Have you made sure to read the descriptions of yours and Reyn's Arts? So that you know what they do and when it makes most sense to use specific ones? Shulk can heal and you get the visions which gives you a chance to heal the targeted party member or inflict a status effect on the boss that cancels its attack. Re-read the combat tutorials in the menu. It shouldn't be this hard. You don't need to grind.
I have and I'm aware of what each art does. But with the screen being so small it's super hard to see what the hell is going on
with hundreds of spiders attacking me and none of my arts making a dent in the big spiders health
I think I'll just sleep on it and see if I can get past it tomorrow. This boss just seems way harder than what they have thrown at me so far which has put me off a little. I mean that
giant mechon that killed fiora
Edit: Thank the lord I did it haha.
CertifiedFP
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You're two months late for a trade in deal.
The trade in deals were slightly less than just selling your system directly. Buy the new system, do a transfer, and sell your old XL for $100-140 (black is worth the most).
The designs also have meaning. I won't post any pics here because spoilers.
CertifiedFP
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Oh snap, some posts in another thread reminded me...
Anyone know if any Gamestop stores plan on holding a midnight launch for this? I mean historically I've only gone to midnight launches for big AAA titles so I don't even know if there'll be a midnight launch for this so don't shoot me for not knowing an answer that might be obvious.
Anyone know if any Gamestop stores plan on holding a midnight launch for this? I mean historically I've only gone to midnight launches for big AAA titles so I don't even know if there'll be a midnight launch for this so don't shoot me for not knowing an answer that might be obvious.
TheMoon
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You can post links (marked as spoilers of course) if embedded pictures would spoil things.
TheMoon
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Length. That gloriously dumb joke could not be sacrificed for a word nobody cares about anyway.
Oh dude, its not French, its Greek, ancient style. And its not just the monads of philosophy and religions.... this rabbit hole goes deep.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monad_(functional_programming)
This is everything Shulk does, this, is the power of the monado. Its an I/O interface to edit and re-program, reality, on the level of the smallest most irreducible unit of matter, the Monad.
I've only just reached the Gaur Plains and I'm finding things I never knew about from my first playthrough. Dark Murakmor in C9 was a cool surprise. Draw distance on this game for landscapes is still really amazing. Monster Games did an amazing job. Game has a bit of trouble with NPCs and smaller stuff but on the small screen it's barely noticeable. Quality and faithfulness of this port really can't be overstated. UI and touch based improvements would have been appreciated but you can't fault Monster for not messing with the code too much.
Switched to Reyn. So much more fun than Shulk. More skills. Has a topple skill instead of starting the chain with break so you can play reactionary to the AI instead of hoping they'll follow up your initial break. And drawing aggro instead of trying to mitigate it keeps things fun. Instead of focusing on your own positioning you're manipulating the enemies to set up back slashes for Shulk. Going into the game with knowledge of all the mechanics is very satisfying. Using the collectopaedia and gems, already have Reyn pushing 4k health and tanking hard while Shulk does great damage. No grinding for bosses, just building intelligently.
Bloodborne and this. Wonderful.
Switched to Reyn. So much more fun than Shulk. More skills. Has a topple skill instead of starting the chain with break so you can play reactionary to the AI instead of hoping they'll follow up your initial break. And drawing aggro instead of trying to mitigate it keeps things fun. Instead of focusing on your own positioning you're manipulating the enemies to set up back slashes for Shulk. Going into the game with knowledge of all the mechanics is very satisfying. Using the collectopaedia and gems, already have Reyn pushing 4k health and tanking hard while Shulk does great damage. No grinding for bosses, just building intelligently.
But I'm still over leveled from quests but this is my second playthrough so I'm committing to them, don't do this beginners
Bloodborne and this. Wonderful.
Sodding_Gamer
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Damn Gaur plains is beautiful. That music at night time too is amazing.
Actually just wanted someone to quote me so I could be talking directly to someone who had played the game. Because I wasn't quite sure if CertifiedFP had played the game.(No offense if you have) I didn't want to quote a user and just have everything in the post be a spoiler tag. Anyway, the designs.
Though I'm not quite sure about the original monado or Monado III, I'm fairly certain both of them have their meanings. But I do know that Zanza's Monado and Meyneth's Monado are both designed with purpose.
Zanza's monado is that of an arrow, a straightforward, one way path to everything. Much like the way he believed. It signifies everything going according to the passage of fate.
Meyneth's monado is that of a branching sword. It seems to represent multiple paths, and multiple choices, rather than a single choice. Hence the branches on the sword.
Zanza's monado is that of an arrow, a straightforward, one way path to everything. Much like the way he believed. It signifies everything going according to the passage of fate.
Meyneth's monado is that of a branching sword. It seems to represent multiple paths, and multiple choices, rather than a single choice. Hence the branches on the sword.
Not sure if this is relevant to anything, I just thought it was a pretty interesting detail.
Oh... Wow. Its relevant. Never even looked at or thought about that visual cue, but, Arrows are similar to Monads, albeit more general, less abstract, less flexible... less powerful.
http://www.cse.chalmers.se/~rjmh/Papers/arrows.pdf
the monado 3 appears to be designed using stylized and stacked versions of the monad bind operator symbol >>==
Zanza's 'Monado' is based off the operator symbol for the arrow -->
I guess... Zanza may have abandoned Monads for arrows?
Zanza's 'Monado' is based off the operator symbol for the arrow -->
I guess... Zanza may have abandoned Monads for arrows?
Amazing. 95% like the Wii version. The small screen size and resolution of the 3DS are what holds it back the most.
Screenshots don't do it justice, I thought it looked terrible in screenshots and video but once I started playing and got used to the reduced resolution it looks, feels and most importantly plays great.
CertifiedFP
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You guys know that 3DS screenshots lose a lot of detail converting from the 3D rendering into a 2D image, right? Screenshots really never look right compared to the genuine 3DS displayed image.
Sorry if this is old news but Amazon Japan got a new shipment of Xenoblade Secret File in. Looks like it's back in print. It's extremely comprehensive, features a ton of art, and even a pattern for the Riki plush from the Monolith Soft blog.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4048702009/
These were selling for double that only a couple weeks ago so don't wait if you're interested.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4048702009/
These were selling for double that only a couple weeks ago so don't wait if you're interested.
In my opinion it is, yeah. With the New 3DS it's never distracting anyway so I just leave it on at the lowest setting.
WeWereGiants
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2 hours into this and I really think it suits the 3DS, I played 10-15 hours on the Wii last year and wasn't impressed but I'm really enjoying it on this hardware.
It's Reyn time.
It's Reyn time.
10 hours in and I prefer this to the Wii version purely because of the portable nature of it. I feel compelled to finish the whole game since a single session is less of a committment with the sleep mode a portable console provides. Xenogears is another 50+ hour JRPG I played earlier this year that I would never have finished if I wasn't playing on a Vita. I feel the genre just suits handhelds these days. So yeah, pretty happy this exists.
I find the port job really impressive too. Having such huge land masses to explore and it being relatively smooth is quite a feat running on a 3DS. They did a good job with this.
I find the port job really impressive too. Having such huge land masses to explore and it being relatively smooth is quite a feat running on a 3DS. They did a good job with this.
chaosblade
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This screen, more than any other, shows why this game needed a HD remaster and not a portable port. So much detail lost.
But you can already play it in full HD on dolphin.
Also, Xenoblade is fantastic as a portable game. It suits it perfectly.
chaosblade
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Yeah, I've put a couple hundred hours into it on Dolphin and wouldn't have even bought a HD version unless there were some enhancements and not just higher resolution.
I am surprised to see that a number of people like this on a portable though, gameplay-wise. It doesn't really strike me as something that is very playable in short bursts since progress takes time and it has so many long cutscenes (or strings of cutscenes in quick succession), maybe if the sidequests weren't so terrible those would be good for it.
I'm so sorry my desperate plea for a non-portable version of Xenoblade completely derailed this thread for pages on-end.
But seriously. It's a comment on a screenshot. Let's not tell people they can't post their opinions?
After many fucking threads of Xenoblade discussion being derailed by people bitching for an HD port I'm sick of it. It doesn't have a place here. Your opinion doesn't add anything to the thread, it's a rabbit hole we've been down many times before that doesn't lead anywhere good. If you want to port beg go make a dedicated thread. Especially when you're telling people they shouldn't have gotten this port for one you favored instead. Asking for an HD port is one thing, asking for it at the expense of another one is a really dick move.
chaosblade
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Sorry, I didn't realize we were only allowed to post opinions that you agreed with. I guess I just won't reply in here anymore to make sure I don't offend you again.
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