Xenon is being released Nov 2005, so when are PS3 & Revolution coming?

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sonycowboy

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OK,

I'm getting confused with the speculation regarding the PS3 launch date. It's basically all but set in stone that Xenon will be released in November.

So, we're hearing speculation that the PS3 will be *playable* at E3, along with Xenon & Revolution.

Is this true? (for those of you that actually know something)

Also, the dates I'm hearing for a PS3 Japanese launch date are March-June 2006. Assuming a March date, that only gives the PS3 a ~4 month tech advantage over Xenon. Obviously, there's a huge difference between the CELL & IBM's other processor (although, they are based on the same foundation of the PPC core). The NVidia vs ATI thing could go either way, but are unlikely to be miles apart in terms of performance.

My question is this, is the March PS3 Japanese launch date w/ an October USA / European launch date guaranteed? Specifically, the Japanese date?

Given the huge advantage that Sony has over everyone else in Japan, would they really be all that hurt by holding off on the system, and give it a full years tech advantage over Xenon?
 
I think the PS3 will be released in either Summer or Fall for the US.

Japanese launch? Could be March.

The Revolution doesn't really affect either console's success, I don't think.
 
sonycowboy said:
Given the huge advantage that Sony has over everyone else in Japan, would they really be all that hurt by holding off on the system, and give it a full years tech advantage over Xenon?
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Considering that Sony has done just fine across two generations without a clear tech advantage, I don't think Sony will be interested in delaying a full year just to have something that's never been particularly helpful to their competitors before.
 
Nothing is guaranteed at this point, not even the Xbox 2 launching in November. We'll just have to wait and see.
 
I reckon Revolution will land at the same time as Xenon, with PS3 about 12 months later.
I see a big divide between the East and West happening next gen, with the Xenon winning the US and PS3 winning Japan. Revolution will be a total wildcard, however, and mustn't be ruled out.
 
I guess it kind of depends on how far along the the PS3 technology is. By all indications, the Xenon is the system that is closest to launch, then PS3, followed by Revolution. However, by the time E3 gets here, and more information is made clear, we may be surprised at how things are coming along with all three consoles.

That said, I expect Xenon to launch this fall, with a PS3 launch followed next year, most likely in the Spring in Japan, and Fall in the North America. I also expect Revolution to launch World Wide in the Fall of 2006. Pure speculation at this point, but until E3, it's anyone's guess.
 
Jonnyram said:
I reckon Revolution will land at the same time as Xenon, with PS3 about 12 months later.
I see a big divide between the East and West happening next gen, with the Xenon winning the US and PS3 winning Japan. Revolution will be a total wildcard, however, and mustn't be ruled out.
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That's cool, because as a rule, i hate western developed games*

*not including wonderfully french games like BG&E or joint efforts like Metroid Prime
 
Jonnyram said:
I see a big divide between the East and West happening next gen, with the Xenon winning the US and PS3 winning Japan.
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I'm always surprised by the belief by many that Xbox has somehow overtaken the Playstation in the US (and thus generalized to the west, despite the fact that it's been outsold 6-1 in Europe).

1) I certainly believe that the Xbox had a breakout 2004 and has done better than most expectations this generation.

2) However, the truth is that it took 3 years to catch on and was the second console for most behind the PS2.

3) Now, I do believe that among multi-console owners, the multiplatform version of choice is the superior Xbox version. A huge advantage the Xbox had was the technical advantage which is going to be gone. Will the hardcore tech fans still stick with it as their system of choice?

Next gen could go either way in the US, either the PS3 or Xenon and I think that the #2 will still do very well. However, from a odds perspective, I think you'd have to give Sony at least 3-1 odds to be in first place in the US.
 
i'm guessing that rev will launch in japan about the same time that xbox launches in the us (november/dec 2005). i think sony will launch last this time with more tech + a higher price. i'm not sure how thats gonna work out for them. i wouldn't be very surprised if market leaders changed next gen.
 
i think sony is overconfident that this gen will be the same as next gen. they think their name can carry them. i bet ps3 will launch with a 400 dollar price tag and a ton of tech, but abnormal tech that makes it hard for devs to work with. if they do that, ps3 = 3d0. mainly because they might end up launching last on top of all that.
 
The End said:
Mark my words, the Ps3 will be $299 on launch day.
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Sorry but as much as I would like to pay this little for a console. I think we will begin to see the rise of games / consoles with the emergence of the next generation. I think that the inflation of prices will happen slowly though, as to sort of soothe the gaming public into these higher prices. $299 would be perfect, but I expect a price more along the lines of $349.99.
 
Xenon NA Launch @ November '05
Xenon Euro/Japan Launch @ February '06

PS3 Japan Launch @ March '06
PS3 Euro/NA Launch @ August '06

Xenon will have a 1-3 month lead in Japan
Xenon will have a 6-9 month lead in Europe
Xenon will have a 7-10 month lead in NA

PS3 will have an overall tech advantage of 3-4 months.

This is all IMO of course. While PS3 will very likely be more powerful than Xenon, it's debatable if the power difference will be as significant as the power difference between the PS2 and Xbox. Will there be any difference in early games? Will early Xenon games have the advantage over early PS3 games given the extra dev time? Will the Xenon tools help bridge the gap? Will PS3's raw power and higher #'s influence the community? With only a 3-4 month difference between the time Xenon specs are finalized and the time PS3 specs are finalized, the difference may not be so profound, especially considering the fact that the PS3 will likely launch at least 7 months after the Xenon in North America. Sony will not let the PS3 be released much more than 7 months after than Xenon in any territory. It will be way too much of a head start for Sony's tastes.

The Xenon will have a successful launch in North America and have lots of momentum. Things will go very well for them in Europe as well. In Japan, the Xenon will do better than the Xbox did, but it won't do as well as MS hopes, especially considering the hype the PS3 will get and the fact that it's set to go pretty much head to head. I think PS3 will also come out of the gates with a bang and surpass Xenon in Japan within a month, surpass Xenon in Europe within 8 months of its release and go neck and neck with Xenon in North America with a chance of surpassing it in 2 years. I see next-gen being very similar to the SNES vs. Genesis generation in that the PS3 will lead like the SNES did, but the Xenon will be the Genesis redux. Final Hardware # predictions:

PS3: 74 Million
Xenon: 49 Million
Revolution: No Comment.
 
sorryaboutdresden said:
Sorry but as much as I would like to pay this little for a console. I think we will begin to see the rise of games / consoles with the emergence of the next generation. I think that the inflation of prices will happen slowly though, as to sort of soothe the gaming public into these higher prices. $299 would be perfect, but I expect a price more along the lines of $349.99.
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Honestly, considering what the nextgen consoles will be capable of graphically and otherwise, I won't balk at paying $350. To me it will be worth it, because you'll be buying a lot performance for $350. I have a lot more than that in my PC rig.
 
I don't think it matters when Revolution launches. I cannot envision a scenario where it is a successful system. Nintendo is in the unenviable position of being completely irrelevant if they do not differentiate themselves, and (in my opinion) being completely irrelevant if they do. No one thinks of Nintendo in the current generation, it will be worse next time around.
 
We'll have to see with the PS3 schedule. I don't think it's certain that MS will launch this year, and we'll find out soon enough if the PS3 is on Sony's fiscal year report or not. If it's gonna be for the fiscal year, then that'll be March 2006. Otherwise, there's still a possibility it'll be a late-2006 release. I think the western PSP pricing scheme will give us a good idea of how soon they plan the PS3. If it's late-2006, I'll expect a $180-200 price tag with a price drop next Spring. If it's the $130-150 price that's been rumored, then I think we'll be seeing PS3 by next March in Japan. PEACE.
 
Ehh i dunno if theres such a thing as a 3-4 month tech advantage, considering the time it takes to fab these suckers. Software yes hardware nope, the advantage comes from how these things were designed on paper, when your within that 6-10 month range thats it the core logic is done. Any advantage either console has will be because of design choices made when dev was on paper. The only advantage that can be had is if yeilds are good things can be clocked higher things like that, they arent gonna retrofit a superfast memory controller , or totally new revolutionary processing unit within a year of launch.
 
Revolution and PS3 are cancelled, Xbox 2 was too much of a threat.
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Once again...

Xenon
NA: Fall 2005
JP: Winter 2005/2006
EU: Spring 2006

PlayStation 3
JP: Spring 2006
NA: Fall 2006
EU: Fall 2006

Nintendo Revolution
JP: Summer 2006
NA: Fall 2006
EU: Winter 2006/2007


...all 3 will launch at $299.99 USD.
 
DonasaurusRex said:
Ehh i dunno if theres such a thing as a 3-4 month tech advantage, considering the time it takes to fab these suckers. Software yes hardware nope, the advantage comes from how these things were designed on paper, when your within that 6-10 month range thats it the core logic is done. Any advantage either console has will be because of design choices made when dev was on paper. The only advantage that can be had is if yeilds are good things can be clocked higher things like that, they arent gonna retrofit a superfast memory controller , or totally new revolutionary processing unit within a year of launch.
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This is a good point. The PS3 design was started several months earlier (maybe even years!) than the Xenon. How that translates into real world difference remains to be seen. So I'd estimate the PS3 tech advantage is around 6-8 months if it can even be "measured".
 
DonasaurusRex said:
Ehh i dunno if theres such a thing as a 3-4 month tech advantage, considering the time it takes to fab these suckers. Software yes hardware nope, the advantage comes from how these things were designed on paper, when your within that 6-10 month range thats it the core logic is done. Any advantage either console has will be because of design choices made when dev was on paper. The only advantage that can be had is if yeilds are good things can be clocked higher things like that, they arent gonna retrofit a superfast memory controller , or totally new revolutionary processing unit within a year of launch.
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Good point(s).
 
If Xenon was launching by fall 2005 Microsoft should have showed it by now to build up some hype. I think it will launch early next year.
 
Doom_Bringer said:
If Xenon was launching by fall 2005 Microsoft should have showed it by now to build up some hype. I think it will launch early next year.
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What was the gap between PS2 first being shown and Japan launch?
 
Doom_Bringer said:
If Xenon was launching by fall 2005 Microsoft should have showed it by now to build up some hype. I think it will launch early next year.
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Except that MS also does not want to kill the Xbox momentum (pun intended) and will release all the 1st/2nd party Xbox 1 games before Xenon is officially announced. There is a reason why Forza was delayed just to one week before E3 and certainly will be the last MS published game on the system.
 
open_mouth_ said:
In Japan, the Xenon will do better than the Xbox did
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It won't. Before the Xbox launches in Japan, it was literally a mysterious X, and allured some. DOA3 helped too. But see what happened next... now Ninja Gaiden and DOAU sales combined can't reach DOA3. Kids recognise Xbox as a console no friends buy, while adults recognise it as a console for boob-loving nerds. As long as it retains the 'Xbox' name, the stigma won't leave from the MS console.
 
DonasaurusRex said:
Ehh i dunno if theres such a thing as a 3-4 month tech advantage, considering the time it takes to fab these suckers. Software yes hardware nope, the advantage comes from how these things were designed on paper, when your within that 6-10 month range thats it the core logic is done. Any advantage either console has will be because of design choices made when dev was on paper. The only advantage that can be had is if yeilds are good things can be clocked higher things like that, they arent gonna retrofit a superfast memory controller , or totally new revolutionary processing unit within a year of launch.
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I don't completely agree with this. It's certainly the case that with the CELL's significant departure from standard chip designs, that it's design is probably more important than which month it's produced. However, faster chip speeds are possible as time goes on according to Moore's law, such that the longer Sony can hold off on the fabrication, the faster chip they potentially could include.
 
ThirdEye said:
It won't. Before the Xbox launches in Japan, it was literally a mysterious X, and allured some. DOA3 helped too. But see what happened next... now Ninja Gaiden and DOAU sales combined can't reach DOA3. Kids recognise Xbox as a console no friends buy, while adults recognise it as a console for boob-loving nerds. As long as it retains the 'Xbox' name, the stigma won't leave from the MS console.
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You make a valid point, but you discount the likely Microsoft response to their first debacle in Japan: 1) A smaller system, more Japanese friendly 2) Even though the Xbox tanked in Japan, Microsoft still tried to push it and support it till the end (shows commitment) 3) It may be a gaijen system, but MS is trying hard to bring in Japanese talent and managers to show that while the system is owned by a US company, it's mostly run by locals 4) more games targetted for the japanese market this time around (RPG's, Sims, etc.)
 
Oxymoron said:
Maybe Nintendo will pull a Saturn and announce the Revolution is releasing immediately at E3.




:lol
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Its unlike Nintendo to jump release. I think they're more likely to delay
 
With all the great games coming out for all the current systems, not to mention 2 new handhelds to deal with this year, I think Xenon may be coming out a bit early. I don't feel the "need" to buy a new system yet. Maybe some good screenshots will change my mind but I'm thinking fall of 06 at the earliest is when I'd crave a new system. =\
 
ThirdEye said:
It won't. Before the Xbox launches in Japan, it was literally a mysterious X, and allured some. DOA3 helped too. But see what happened next... now Ninja Gaiden and DOAU sales combined can't reach DOA3. Kids recognise Xbox as a console no friends buy, while adults recognise it as a console for boob-loving nerds. As long as it retains the 'Xbox' name, the stigma won't leave from the MS console.
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Microsoft is better positioned in Japan this go round than they were previously - the key being getting Japaneese developers on board who don't suck and won't abandon the platform as soon as the PS3 ships. While I think they console will sell like syphilis infected monkies this go round like it did last time, I think that it will indeed do 'better' than it did previously. The consoles success requires strong sales outside of the US.
 
Doom_Bringer said:
I think Xenon will win Japan if it gets the Mist Walker RPG.

Like what happened to Nin10do when Square made FF7 PSX exclusive.
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You think one [unknown franchise] RPG title will dethrone PS3 with all the Square support? :lol
 
Do The Mario said:
Mist What the? :lol

I hope you are joking
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there hasn't been a decent FF on Playstation ever since Hironobu Sakaguchi left. I don't know about you guys but I think the man knows how to make killer RPG's.

I think his fist game will be killer!
 
X was the best in the series so far, XI was both great and very flawed, and X-2 was a crime against thought.

so....

yeah


I have a lot of faith in VS/FFT peope working on XII though.
 
So,

Nobody knows anything, huh? Sad. I thought the GAF would pull through for me on this one. Surely, the PS3 launch date must be known by certain publishers? Oh well, just makes the wait for the Ps3 announcement at the end of March all the more painful.
 
When did Sakaguchi leave? After FFIX right? I thought FFX was awesome and X-2 okay. The story sucked donkey ass though.

And yes Mistwalkers new RPG may be a super RPG but does not mean = succes. Good games have bombed before..
 
The End said:
X was the best in the series so far, XI was both great and very flawed, and X-2 was a crime against thought.

so....

yeah


I have a lot of faith in VS/FFT peope working on XII though.
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http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=30392&highlight=famitsu

"Xenon:
Comfortable development environment thanks to XNA.
RPGs should be available since the introduction on the market.
Smaller than Xbox."


all signs point to Mist walker Rpg on Xenon

Final Fantasy X was good but it was lacking many things; too linear, no airships, batshit mini games....

not a very good game made by a n00b producer/director

X2 and XI sucked...
 
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