Xenon is being released Nov 2005, so when are PS3 & Revolution coming?
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Do The Mario
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Doom_Bringer said:
Dont get me wrong I think the last great FF game was FFIX but between the selling power of Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior on the PS3 will smoke Xbox in Japan.
Still I expect a stronger presence in the Japanese market (maybe a Million consoles) next gen especially if they can bag a few must have Japanese games.
Anyone else think buying SNK or Sega and using or sharing there name is a possibility?
sonycowboy
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Do The Mario said:
Enough of the Final Fantasy / Mist Walker talk. Somebody tell me some inside dirt on the launch date. Or at least, some reasonable speculation?
Doom_Bringer
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Deepthroat said:
You should play KOTOR, the story is really good.
But since this is a Japanse maganize I think they are talking about J-RPGS.
Sakaguchi said that Mist Walker would unveil the game in early 2005. So it could launch in late 2005 or early 2006
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Doom_Bringer
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Yes, I agree!
By Playstation I meant PS2. :lol
SolidSnakex
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Doom_Bringer said:
The guy has barely had any involvement with the series for awhile now. He's not that important at all. It's basically been Kitase carrying it.
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SolidSnakex said:
I don't know a lot about these Japanese folks but Kitase made Final Fantasy X and X-2 both sucked and were too linear especially FFX! Kitase should be making movies and not games
Matsuno is the main guy behind FFXII, I enjoyed his games on PSX especially Final Fantasy Tactics.
DonasaurusRex
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sonycowboy said:
..Thats basically what i said, as yields improve the chip could come out with a more improved revision that runs cooler or have faster clockspeeds. But these could be minimal gains something like 2%, there wont be any real design improvements though if its gonna be in stores in roughly 12 months, 2 -3 months beforehand they will have to be well into fabbing these things and ready for a large anticipated launch. They cant start engineering samples a month beforehand, they have to make the engineering samples months ahead so they can improve the fabbing process. A faster chip doesnt mean a whole gen leap because of a 3-4 months time extra. If the design of the embedded system is set its set, just because it works on paper doesnt mean it will be produced smoothly when you move to the fabrication process. Now if they had tons of CELL processors out NOW I could see your point but they dont. The only gain they could achieve with 3-4 months time if they planned for it, is a revision to the core which could end up giving the processor high performance as I said before, but it wont be the moores law leap of double the power are you kidding doesnt even apply. What did you think they were gonna paper launch the PS3?
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Doom_Bringer said:
He also co directed FF6 and CT and directed FF7-8. Worked on FF5 also.
Doom_Bringer said:
Probably 7. He's basically been just a name for awhile.
sonycowboy said:
It's not that. It's just that Microsoft has done so much more than Sony to hype its console, and as a result the PS2 is being outsold in the US. That's what you call momentum. Also, as I've said on previous occasions, no company is safe to hold on to the top spot forever, even if that company is Sony.
DonasaurusRex
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The big hype is because the xbox sold more units isnt it? Well of course it can sell more units, couple halo 2 with the larger possible market for the Xbox of course it will begin to outsell the *soldout* PS2. PS2 already has a much larger market penetration the numbers eventually begin to tail off. The victory MS had wasnt a blow to sony it was an accoplishment for the games division period. I mean seriously how many more PS2's are ya gonna sell...guess we'll have to wait for the next GTA to find out :lol .
gamergirly
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How much longer will Xbox continue to outsell PS2 in the USA tho, now that Halo 2 has been out for 2 months?
nightez said:
Well something's up with the Nintendo rhetoric. There's no way in hell I think Nintendo is gonna have playable demos of Revolution (Like DS at E3 2004) unless the thing is really far along in development. If the interviews are to be believed, I think it's coming a lot sooner than expected (and definetely not fall 2006). Nintendo is too paranoid for any of that. Now if fall 2006 is the ETA, E3 will feature some lame "delayed" announcement and maybe some videos of gameplay footage. But you can kiss goodbye any notions of Nintendo describing why it's "Revolutionary."
As for Nintendo being irrelevant as some claim, this is why they're going this route. Does anybody (who's even remotely impartial and unbiased) really think XBox would have had the success it did without the western developers embracing it because of it's developer advantages?
If everyone is going after a set-top approach and the PS3 is the most powerful, has an easy to develop for graphics system (Nvidia)... including easy PC ports, a Sony Live system (Which we all know is the reason GT4 had it's online axed... the system wasn't ready and Sony want's this to sell its pay system), and supports BR-DVD movie playback (Which if it does, will kill HD-DVD in its tracks unless the HD-DVD consortium makes a deal with MS to get it in Xenon and give them any chance at an install base). If this is the way things shape out, PS3 is gonna own the traditional market and anyone who isn't offering something incredibly different is gonna be left watching the truck roar by.
JoshuaJSlone
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Rather, given the huge advantage that Sony has over everyone else in Japan, would they really be all that helped by a full year's tech advantage? Going from 20 months behind in one generation to 4 months ahead in the next gives the shift advantage to them anyway.sonycowboy said:
Do you really think Nintendo would launch later this year, or that Microsoft won't? And if the former, do you think they could really pull off a DS style launch in two territories with decent supply?Jonnyram said:
Doubt it. Hell, Nintendo launched at $199 without a massive tech disadvantage to its competitors; $299 should still be plenty.sorryaboutdresden said:
I don't get this. After 3 years Microsoft has managed to get a 10% console lead on them, and all of a sudden people are predicting massive success for the Xbox successor but massive mediocrity for the GameCube's?Odysseus said:
If DS was launching by fall 2004 Nintendo should have showed it by January 31, 2004 to build up some hype. Launching several months later would lose them a holiday season, which wouldn't be worth it even if their launch wasn't so hot.Doom_Bringer said:
I know nothing more than you, Sonycowboy, but considering there hasn't been much buzz about Sony releasing this year, a similar monthly timeframe to 2000 seems a decent working theory.sonycowboy said:
Well, PS2 shortages and Halo 2 sure didn't hurt, and are doubtful to be replicated often.Speevy said:
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XENON= Nov. 2005 USA, Feb Japan, March Euro,
PS3=Feb 2006 Jap, Oct 2006 USA, Feb 2007 Euro
Revolution= Same as PS3
PS3=Feb 2006 Jap, Oct 2006 USA, Feb 2007 Euro
Revolution= Same as PS3
Doom_Bringer
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Xenon = November 2006 NA/Europe
Earily 2006 in JPN
PS3 = March 2006 JPN
October 2006 NA/Europe
Revolution = ???
Earily 2006 in JPN
PS3 = March 2006 JPN
October 2006 NA/Europe
Revolution = ???
sonycowboy
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Speevy said:
:lol
IMO, the ONLY reasons the Xbox outsold the PS2 were:
1) Xbox price drop in March vs May for PS2 (Xbox outsold PS2 in April)
2) PS2 shortage since June (with periods of more or less stock).
Certainly the PS2 wouldn't have outsold the Xbox by over 2x like they did in 2003 or ~3x like they did in 2002, but they would have EASILY outsold the Xbox.
We'll see how much momentum the Xbox really has in 2005 once it and the PS2 are back in stock among retailers (still not very good in January, from what I've seen)
JoshuaJSlone
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I doubt it. DS was unique in how late in the year it was launched. Given that they were going to launch late in the year, if the launches were within a week of each other the order they used makes sense, since the holiday season of big sales starts and peaks a bit sooner in the US than Japan. Unless they're doing another rushed end-of-year launch, that won't really be an issue.SantaCruZer said:
The N64 outsold the PS1 a few times, but it meant nothing. The Xbox outselling the PS2 a couple of times means nothing. Honestly, anyone trying to play the momentum game has to factor in the multiples that Sony is STILL outselling the competition by. Sony may have been slightly bested a couple of months last year (shortage or not, it doesn't matter), but they still clobbered everyone on the year. And the PStwo still outsold the Xbox and GC on the year, and it was only released in the Fall. So if this is somehow a threat to Sony, then what do you call the massive lead and continued sales performance of the PS2? Seriously, the PS2 demolished the XB and GC worse than the PS1 did the Saturn and N64.
Back to the topic at hand, the PS3 and Revolution releasing later could enjoy a noticeable performance increase. The Xbox and GC were noticeably better than the PS2 (the Xbox moreso than the GC). I mean, there's no question about it, much like there's no question about the PS2 being more capable than the DC. Aesthetics are one thing, pure performance puts the ball in MS's court. So, I expect there to be a noticeable jump from a 2005 machine to a 2006. As noticeable as the DC->PS2 or PS2->Xbox? I don't know. Those were big jumps, like the PS1->N64 was a big jump. With the performance ceiling being so high for all next-gen machines, and the power of the artist being so important, I believe the difference may be noticeable, but largely inconsequential. Like this gen, we probably won't see a great difference between the machines until late in the generation again. PEACE.
Back to the topic at hand, the PS3 and Revolution releasing later could enjoy a noticeable performance increase. The Xbox and GC were noticeably better than the PS2 (the Xbox moreso than the GC). I mean, there's no question about it, much like there's no question about the PS2 being more capable than the DC. Aesthetics are one thing, pure performance puts the ball in MS's court. So, I expect there to be a noticeable jump from a 2005 machine to a 2006. As noticeable as the DC->PS2 or PS2->Xbox? I don't know. Those were big jumps, like the PS1->N64 was a big jump. With the performance ceiling being so high for all next-gen machines, and the power of the artist being so important, I believe the difference may be noticeable, but largely inconsequential. Like this gen, we probably won't see a great difference between the machines until late in the generation again. PEACE.
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sonycowboy said:
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open_mouth_ said:
Well, it's the truth
Other than April, Xbox barely outsold the PS2 in 3 other months.
Crow all you want. It did outsell the PS2. I'm just saying if people discount the shortages, they're being more than a bit disengenous.
The momentum of Xbox has nothing to do with Sony. When you look at Xbox, it's the only console that has year over year growth. It hasn't reached it's peak. The momentum that Xbox has now should reach it's height about the same time Xenon is released. IMO, it's perfect timing. Release a new product when you have the most attention from consumers.
JoshuaJSlone
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Ehh, I'd have to disagree with this. Can anything possibly boost Xbox's sales early in the year like bundling Halo did last year? Can anything possibly boost Xbox's sales later in the year like Halo 2 did last year? Nintendo got big boosts from going to $99, being $79 for a few hours, and including the emulated Zeldas, but those couldn't be replicated either. For Xbox it will be even tougher to continue growth as its successor comes closer.jedimike said:
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I'm fully prepared to drop $400 on both PS3 and Xbox 2. I'll do so in a few months to get it over with.
jedimike said:
The trouble is, thats not when you have the attention of most consumers. Thats when your sales are at their fastest. Almost the worst time to launch a new console and cut your sales dead.
PS3 will be launching at the best time, which is when you have saturated your market to the best of your advantage, and you are tailing off.
I'll just use PS3 as a BRD player.At the PS2's height, it sold over 8 million units in the US in one year. At the Xbox's height, it sold only 4 million and still didn't beat the PS2 for the year. I don't know were this talk of momentum came from, but MS has a long, long way to go.
We have no way of knowing if the "momentum" will last another year.
We have no way of knowing if the "momentum" will last another year.
DonasaurusRex
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Insertia said:
..Um they wont start designing the PS3 once the specs are announced for the Xenon. Its not an advantage because you knew your opponents specs after your system has already been designed the advantage will be if the PS3 was designed better while it was being designed. If in may sony learns of the xenon specs they wont be able to change the PS3 and still launch in time. If the PS3 chip is done by that time thats it, unless they redesign it to gain an edge, which means more time and money, hench why they wouldnt be able to stick to their original launch schedule. They cant paper launch the PS3 its gotta be in mass quantity for the launch date in japan, thats months of prep not a few, That means the fabs gotta be churning out chips at a reasonable yield for a while if they want enough PS3's to sell. Add on even more time for chip valadation. The only reason PS3 would ever get redesigned would be if it was totally outclassed by the Xenon, and that aint happenin. The system has been under dev for how many years now? like 3. When it goes to production in a fab, which should be soon so that they have time to work out design flaws and revise the silicon theres no gaining an advantage because the specs are known months before on the Xenon. Its like how Intel is behind now the P4 design ran outta gas they had the presscott AMD had the K8. Now Intel KNEW about the AMD64 months before it was available, and went with the Pentium E design. Low and behold they gotta go back to the drawing board and take a new design approach , they cant just retro fit the current P4 and all of a sudden oh look we knew the amd64 specs now we are better 8 months later , doesnt work that way they had to stick with the P4 arch and still have to until their next gen is done and ready to produce. And it was last year that they gave up on the netburst architecture if months mean something where are the new chips? By your logic Intel should've been able to make some "redesigns" to the P4 and gain the "advantage" back by now. The new Pentium is probably on paper or in a fab for engineering samples. And you know what if their next design that goes to the fabs doesnt beat out AMD's next gen, they get to go back to the dungeon again and be behind for another year. Look at the K7 and the Pentium, the K7 in all its incarnations was well documented, really cant hide much from intel they have cross liscensing agreement, the Athlon Xp's when introduced were superior to the P4's of the day, even with intels knowledge of the K7 because amd's design choice ended up being better until the P4 was able to clock much higher, and you dont get to do that in the console arena. So you see the advantage has to be in the design methodology when the chips done on paper and that is complete almost a year before the chips come to be. Nothing major happens between then and the product being available to the public. Sure some enhancements can be made but I wouldnt count on it beyond a chip revision.
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jedimike said:
Jedi, I feel your Xbox love, bro, but I'm afraid that Microsoft is really trying to cut their losses with the Xbox. It really was a huge loss leader investment type of thing and they're very eager to move onto Xenon where they've got a good shot at making some money and gaining market share. I don't see them doing any more promotions for Xbox or releasing any colored versions (just added costs). I think they *might* drop the price to $129 if Sony does, but they really don't want to. As long as momentum stays pretty strong up to the Xenon launch, they'll be happy.