zomgbbqftw
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SD600 shortages among other components (screen, speaker coils and antennas supposedly). Capacity was around 500k per month for Feb and was supposed to increase to 300k per week in March, but they literally ran out of components.
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Xperia Z/ZL |OT| Experience the best of Sony in a smartphone
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SD600 shortages among other components (screen, speaker coils and antennas supposedly). Capacity was around 500k per month for Feb and was supposed to increase to 300k per week in March, but they literally ran out of components.
makingmusic476
Member
So between the Xperia's succes, the depreciation of the Yen, the looming ps4, and all the property sales Sony's been doing, is Sony looking to be in much better shape than they were over the past few years?
If only they could do something about Vita.
If only they could do something about Vita.
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/st...gaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500748&page=20
I keep refreshing this page hoping for something...any idea when it will be available? Since this page has been up it seems like soon.
I'm guessing I'll need a sim cutter for my sim card.
I keep refreshing this page hoping for something...any idea when it will be available? Since this page has been up it seems like soon.
I'm guessing I'll need a sim cutter for my sim card.
Until Sony fucks it up with Opticontrast.
(Just kidding, the ZL screen does look better than the Z to me.)
zomgbbqftw
Banned
D:
Someone suggested to me that the Xperia Z suffers from poor calibration and this could be an intended "mistake" from Sony to highlight the Bravia Engine crap. He is of the opinion that the Bravia Engine is just a different display calibration profile with lower gamma, higher contrast and more saturated colours and if that profile could be enabled as the default setting throughout the phone almost all of the complaints about the screen would go away.
The Faceless Master
Member
too busy copying something else about Sony
Someone on Esato has suggested that the next flagship from Sony will have a Triluminos LCD screen. This could be a "3 strikes you're out" thing and Sony's last chance to get the screen right. If the next Sony high-end LCD screen is still average compared to others (mostly due to crappy quality control to get the screens all of the same quality and panel lottery) then Sony should just move on to a different screen tech like OLED or something.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
I haven't heard that personally, it would be interesting if they do. From what I understand the new Trilum is just a nanocoating applied between the LED back lights and the TFT panel which makes for deeper blacks and better colours. It's almost like a super advanced version of OptiContrast.
Sony won't go OLED. Too many problems with production and burn in.
I am inclined to agree with the person I know, Sony are fudging the calibration to make Bravia Engine look more useful than it really is.
vivftp
Member
C'mooooooon Crystal LED phone displays 
Heh, it would be interesting to see Sonys take on an OLED phone display. They seem to care quite a bit about colour and image accuracy, and I would trust them to make a more accurate display than Samsung.
So... any takers on how long until Sony comes out with a flexible white magic OLED triluminos display?
Heh, it would be interesting to see Sonys take on an OLED phone display. They seem to care quite a bit about colour and image accuracy, and I would trust them to make a more accurate display than Samsung.
So... any takers on how long until Sony comes out with a flexible white magic OLED triluminos display?
The Faceless Master
Member
wait, what OEM forces GPU rendering by default?
fixed. just sit in front of the TV.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
I was under the impression that it was turned on by default for native JB devices, must have been mistaken.
Not really. Not with JB at least, with ICS forcing GPU could cause overheating but JB fixes that.
Glorious Ownage
Member
What's everyone's opinion on the HTC One and the Z? Both are coming to AT&T right?
outunderthestars
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I'm torn. I like the camera and speakers of the One, but like the design and screen on the Z.
Marques Brownlee posted his review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlhXpHULwys
Viewing angles really do not look good based on this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlhXpHULwys
Viewing angles really do not look good based on this video.
The Faceless Master
Member
the One is for sure.
outunderthestars
Banned
Great review! I wonder if the screen protector is what is causing the terrible viewing angles.
The Faceless Master
Member
wow, those viewing angles.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I've seen it look a lot better in other videos. Not that is has good viewing angles, but that video is the worst I've seen.
edit: might have to do with that whole multiple display thing.
So correct me if I'm wrong, but this only works on GSM carriers and lte band 17 is tmobiles future band?
MeBecomingI
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I find it interesting that they don't just use the Bravia Engine at all times instead of just video and photos... make it default and be done with it. Battery life I would assume, but it would be nice to have it powering the homescreen and everything.
vivftp
Member
I'm just going to toss out a random guess here, but I'd guess it's because the mobile Bravia engine is software based and as such isn't fast enough to keep up with normal activities outside of the apps Sony designates can use it. I saw a Youtube video where when loading images in the album app, you could see the Bravia engine kick in just a split second after a photo loaded. If that's the case, I doubt it's fast enough to keep up with homescreen changes and whatnot. Unless they go with an actual hardware chip like those used on the TVs, I don't think we'll ever see the Bravia engine applied to the entire phone.
Over on esato, they have mentioned that we may see an x-reality engine on future phones, but that is likely to also be software based. While it'd be amazing for Sony to have a hardware chip for phones, I don't know how easy it'd be to port from a TV to a phone.
CurlySaysX
Banned
Sony should add user adjustable gamma, contrast, saturation maybe even sharpness settings and a lot of the washed out complaints would probably go away.
Even something simple and slightly restrictive like giving 4 levels of adjustability -2 -1 0 +1 +2
Would that be so hard?
Even something simple and slightly restrictive like giving 4 levels of adjustability -2 -1 0 +1 +2
Would that be so hard?
Will the UK version work on LTE 4G once it becomes available? I notice that Three say their "Ultrafast" network will include LTE later this year, and they label the Xperia Z as being an "Ultrafast Ready" device...?
The Faceless Master
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in a panel lotto, somebody's gotta take the L
MeBecomingI
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That is a pretty good review. It seems like Sony can do a lot really, really well but then take it a little lightly on other aspects which are often times biggies for a phone like the screen and the camera. The screen certainly seems to have been a corner cut a bit too closely which they need to address fully with the next big one. They need to get the camera processing fixed too... Sony seems to have some image quality problems that many other seem not to have; which is bizarre given Sony's background in imaging.
That would make sense.
I would like to see them start to adapting the Bravia Engine hardware instead relying on software in the future. Cost and other factors (cooling) might make that unfeasible, but it would nice to see Sony start to get some of the high end Bravia hardware adapted for their future phones. That could give them a bit of a push away from the competition. It is nice to see Sony getting some Bravia work in their phones, but they need to start pushing some boundaries beyond some software.
The Faceless Master
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Sony cares about what now?C'mooooooon Crystal LED phone displays
Heh, it would be interesting to see Sonys take on an OLED phone display. They seem to care quite a bit about colour and image accuracy, and I would trust them to make a more accurate display than Samsung.
So... any takers on how long until Sony comes out with a flexible white magic OLED triluminos display?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPqpKo2hlGU
vivftp
Member
... colour accuracy to some degree
As for the Bravia engine and using a scaled down version of the TV chip rather than software, yeah I hope they can do that too. There're so many various technologies Sony has that can enhance the mobile experience, and from what I can tell we're going to be seeing more of those things in the 2H flagship and onwards. Things like a mobile BIONZ processor to enhance images and reduce noise, an S-Master MX digital amp that's used on the Walkmzn Z to improve audio quality, X-reality engines, triluminos displays to improve colour accuracy and blacks, larger camera sensors, better lenses (ie. G lens or Carl Zeiss lens)... the sky's the limit with the tech heritage that Sony is sitting on. The Z and ZL are really only the beginning as we see more Sony tech being shared across the various divisions.
I mean we've already seen a bit of this integration with opti-contrast panels, mobile bravia engines and that sort of jazz. I'm just wondering how long it'll take Sony to bring it all together. Will it be the 2H flagship? Will it be the 2014 devices? I dunno. That's why I feel the Z and ZL are not in fact the best Sony has to offer, but the best they could offer so relatively early to gain marketshare before the competition got their phones out. I'm not saying the Z and ZL are bad by any means - I'll be getting a ZL once it's available in Canada. I'm just saying there's a lot more Sony can do to improve their mobile phones with just the tech they've already got in other devices. Once they can bring it all together, Sony will truly be a force to be reckoned with.
what the hell, why does the viewing angle suck so much.
Forced GPU rendering is still off by default. Each app dev can have it on by adding a few lines of code.
They can't have it forced on by default as it can mess up apps. Try downloading the sky + app and turn on forced GPU rendering in options. Scroll around the channel view and you'll see the problem.
Sony either just haven't turned it on for their launcher & apps. Or they have badly optimised software.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Yes, that would be a good idea.
Nothing like this, Bravia Engine is just a different colour calibration that is activated within certain apps. It should have a negligible battery life impact. They won't use a hardware chip for image processing as it will hurt battery life. What Sony need to do is what MeBecomingI said and make BE a core feature and have it set to "on" all the time or include the awesome screen calibration tool that was available on ZL developer devices.
Would make Bravia Engine pointless though, and that is seen as a selling point by Sony. They even take it away if you unlock the bootloader. If a developer could come up with an app that does this stuff without root they could make a lot of money I think.
Yes, the UK version is C6603 and is 4G ready.
D:
No extra hardware, everything needs to be done in software, adding extra hardware costs a lot of money.
... colour accuracy to some degree
As for the Bravia engine and using a scaled down version of the TV chip rather than software, yeah I hope they can do that too. There're so many various technologies Sony has that can enhance the mobile experience, and from what I can tell we're going to be seeing more of those things in the 2H flagship and onwards. Things like a mobile BIONZ processor to enhance images and reduce noise, an S-Master MX digital amp that's used on the Walkmzn Z to improve audio quality, X-reality engines, triluminos displays to improve colour accuracy and blacks, larger camera sensors, better lenses (ie. G lens or Carl Zeiss lens)... the sky's the limit with the tech heritage that Sony is sitting on. The Z and ZL are really only the beginning as we see more Sony tech being shared across the various divisions.
I mean we've already seen a bit of this integration with opti-contrast panels, mobile bravia engines and that sort of jazz. I'm just wondering how long it'll take Sony to bring it all together. Will it be the 2H flagship? Will it be the 2014 devices? I dunno. That's why I feel the Z and ZL are not in fact the best Sony has to offer, but the best they could offer so relatively early to gain marketshare before the competition got their phones out. I'm not saying the Z and ZL are bad by any means - I'll be getting a ZL once it's available in Canada. I'm just saying there's a lot more Sony can do to improve their mobile phones with just the tech they've already got in other devices. Once they can bring it all together, Sony will truly be a force to be reckoned with.
While I would love to see all of that happen, I just don't see it right now. Sony is too slow and too market reactive. They don't set the trend any more, they just follow. In September 2014 Sony need to announce and release this device:
Xperia Z2
5" FHD S-IPS
4GB RAM
Qualcomm SD900(?)+LTE
20.2MP 1" type sensor with a 28mm f2.0 Zeiss/Sony G lens
Dedicated camera button with quickstart
Mobile BIONZ
3000mAh battery
32GB storage plus SD slot
Waterproof/dustproof
Aboout 9-11mm thick
Aluminium/Magnesium/Glass build
No fucking "shatter proof sheet" just use higher quality glass
ZL size or smaller
That is what Sony should have released this year with SD600+2GB instead of APQ8064
If you wait, you are more likely to get the best screen, later shipments are going to use it as standard. There are 3 different ones currently in the pipeline, JDI A JDI B and Sharp. Sharp is the best and JDI A is the worst. Xperia ZL only uses Sharp and Xperia Z is moving over to Sharp as standard. It is already the most common one, but Sharp didn't have the capacity to feed in for 5m+ production in Dec/Jan so Sony had to supplement the order with JDI screens which are definitely not ready for the primetime. Sharp say they are up to full capacity now so the JDI screens should be a thing of the past. At least until they fix their backplanes.
In that case Sony needs to enable GPU rendering for the launcher.
Mediocre camera, poor speaker and crap viewing angles. That's the Z crossed off my lists of potential upgrades, as nice as the hardware is.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Why would you prefer the screen for the Z? Every review I've looked at says the One screen is nicer and it has a higher pixel density to boot.
as for the bravia engine, sometimes it gives good results...sometimes very bad.
You are right, in album app bravia engine if off when viewing thumbnails. If you zoom in, u can literally see it change. Some faces really get way to red (would like to post pics, but cant due privacy). However, if you swipe pics from left to right the BE is nice in time, and you dont see it change.
You are right, in album app bravia engine if off when viewing thumbnails. If you zoom in, u can literally see it change. Some faces really get way to red (would like to post pics, but cant due privacy). However, if you swipe pics from left to right the BE is nice in time, and you dont see it change.
GTP_Daverytimes
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Can someone convince me why viewing angles are important, cause people needs to stop saying this shit (even if they are crap)
Krauser Kat
Member
did they get rid of the ir blaster? I need a phone with this on it.
So if I wait say another month I should get one with the Sharp screen? They seem fairly sell sold out here in the UK in most places so I'm guessing stock is being constantly replenished.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
If you have multiple people viewing the phone at once, if you have the phone laying down and want to check something without picking up the phone, not having to angle the phone every time you pick it up.....and then there is the whole question of why you should accept bad viewing angles when other manufacturers have erased it as an issue.
HollovVpo1nt
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The way you (and most people) describe the 'problem' of viewing angles as above is as if people won't see anything. You get slightly distorted colours, that's all. I don't know why the viewing angles are not up to industry standards, maybe it has something to do with waterproofing. All I know is it doesn't bother me.
MiloFoxburr
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The Screen looks perfectly fine for me when it's flat on my desk. I can use it without having to pick it up or tilt the screen.
There's a ton of hyperbole out there regarding viewing angles but if you get a Sharp screen (Which the vast majority are) they really aren't an issue. I've had the phone for a week now and I've never struggled to see anything on it from whatever angle I'd use it at.
which panel manufacturer aside from Sharp is used for the Z?
Canis lupus
Member
Hey guys, when I tap the back of my phone I hear a clicking noise, I recorded it, it comes from the upper part. I never noticed it until now, is this normal?
MiloFoxburr
Member
3 Screen types, 2 from JDC and 1 from Sharp
You can see how washed out the JDC screen is compared to the Sharp one.
I've not listened to your recording but I do hear an extra noise when I tap the top portion of my Z which doesn't happen in other areas.
zomgbbqftw
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No they don't. The screen for the HTC One is manufactured by Sharp. Sony don't have a mobile screen manufacturer anymore they sold it to the Japanese government.
-Pyromaniac-
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It's pretty crazy how much better the Sharp screens are.
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