'The Hero of Time came back to us and kicked Ganon's ass with an Apple' - New Canon
You can beat The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild without finishing the story
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'The Hero of Time came back to us and kicked Ganon's ass with an Apple' - New Canon
CrispyBoar
Banned
That's kind of neat to give people an option.
I know there's no tutorial in the demo, but has it been confirmed that the final game won't have one?
bbkkristian
Member
I got a feeling there's going to be little to no story in this one anyways.
Brehs. I've replayed OoT just trying to find out the different kind of order I can complete the dungeons. I've done countless replays and OOT is pretty restricted. And now Aonuma is now giving us this much freedom?!?!
I'm not sure I'll be playing anything other than this for a long time once it comes out.
I'm not sure I'll be playing anything other than this for a long time once it comes out.
DecoReturns
Member
I don't think so. Zelda team has better experience with slient Protagonist and they keep mentioning a huge story they don't want to spoil
Askherserenity
Member
Probably in the minority but I wish the story was told environmentally with a bit of traditional story telling thrown in here and there.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
TEH URN TO END ALL URNS
Really? I don't feel that way, personally. I think there's going to be quite some story, except instead of being feed to the player, the player will have to actively follow it.
I'm a big fan of what they're trying to do here, imitating the original Zelda when it comes to the freedom. Can't wait to play this.
the N64 Zeldas sort of break the rules since they're the FF7 of the Zelda series. you could re-release another remaster of OoT each gen and it would sell more than most original games in the series.
ALBW was in between OoT3D and MM3D in sales so i'd say it's not too bad. 2D-style Zelda hasn't been in the same demand as 3D in the last decade though.
with SS they played it too safe with anything that wasn't controls and it came out at an unfortunate time when the Wii had faded away and a lot of people didn't care about the controls anymore.
A Link to the Past
Banned
This game is quickly shooting up to the top of my list of most-anticipated games. Once Zero Time Dilemma, Phoenix Wright 6, Danganronpa V3, and Rhythm Heaven Megamix are out, this will be #1.
considering the E3 demo is when they show off the game's tutorial...again, what tutorial?
Yeah now that i am watching other vidoes, Aunoma does say there is definitely a larger story that gets revealed as you play involving other characters and stuff but that they wanted to start the game without giving the player a lot of context which makes it seem like there is less story. But they stress that the story is really cool.
Damn, the more I hear about this game the more I love. I am going to go straight to the end at least once.
I'm down.
I'm down.
Biggest fear coming true: every game wants to be fucking Skyrim.
I will not write it off just yet since I love everything else I've seen, but I will wait for impressions and detailed reviews.
TheCongressman1
Member
Yes. It's one of the topics discussed near the beginning of the demo stream. Just start, and you're off on the journey.
Zomba13
Member
Oh god, imagine waiting around for like 10-15 mins in the starting room and Link just climbs back into his aqua stasis pod and goes back to sleep.
if you use glitches, OoT is as open as the original Zelda. without glitches, there's still a few spots where you're free to choose the path (you can do Fire Temple before Forest Temple and you can do Shadow and Spirit in any order)
it's a good thing they're integrating that into the game's design instead of just having that by accident.
You are guided.
The game will very likely give you general waypoints on a suggested route to play.
And you can choose to ignore that entirely, which is where the player not only escapes Zelda's handholding clutches, but opens the game for whatever mixture of options or tasks the player wishes to actually engage in.
SpeedBeatz
Member
Only in a New Game+, regular playthrough you have to at least make it to the End of Time (like 30% into the game).
SUPERJEM94
Banned
Holy shit, GOTY
TheGreatDirector
Banned
I love it already.
With Zelda 1 being my favorite Zelda game all of this really is a dream come true.
With Zelda 1 being my favorite Zelda game all of this really is a dream come true.
EatinOlives
Member
The idea of a crazed feral maniac emerging from a cave in the middle of nowhere running across a country on foot holding up a rusted sword he found 20 feet away to take on Ganon...
Askherserenity
Member
So the big bad King of Evil will be hanging out in his fancy castle, look up and see:
and it's just over. End of Ganon.
Definitely sounds like a heckuva fun challenge run.
That was fast
Otakumegane
Member
I wish there are going to be superbosses then.
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
Hmm? My last playthrough I tried to do the dungeons in a wacky order, and the only restriction I remember finding was that the Shadow Temple must come after the Fire Temple.
Silphonica
Banned
Not really. The ocarina of time speedruns in which people were warping to the final boss in 20 mins really killed that game as a speedrun in any%. Which is fine OoT grew as time went on and people spent time discovering new way to beat the game as fast as possible.
The fact a straight line to the final boss from initial spawn exists pre-programmed is bullshit. Its solidifying that it will never live up to the OoT speedrun legacy.
Cow Mengde
Banned
How did you manage to do that?
Yeah, people don't seem to understand what makes speed runs cool. It's not simply about beating it fast, but also doing things you didn't know possible to cut down the time. A game that let's you run straight to the last boss the minute the game begins lessens that cool factor of doing something that was seemingly impossible.
eXistor
Member
It can be done if the dev knows what they're doing. Fallout 1 had you searching for a water chip for your vault, the game sent you through many locations and then you'd find the chip after many inquiries and quests. However, now that you know how and where to find the chip, you could start a new game and go there right off the bat.
Holy shit!
Holy shit!
bbkkristian
Member
I'm okay with having to seek the story, but I feel like it wont be as dramatic as the previous Zelda titles. i.e. The fortress in WW, Link's rage at Ghirahim in SS, Link healing the dead in MM. I fear it will be completely lore; i.e. what happened to Hyrule to get it in its current state. No real "Hero's Journey" for our very enigmatic silent protagonist to go through.
Yeah, but there are different categories, so it'll be ok. Any% runs might suffer (but then again, they may not, since we don't know all the detaisl), but 100% runs or All dungeons runs can be really cool considering the non-linear nature and the high number of interactions and moves link can pull off.
That is really cool. Nintendo giving us true freedom. However, they did point out that depending on in which direction you choose to drop of the plateau to the other areas you might not get to the distant point you wished that easily. So what I get from this is that the option to go to the final boss is yours to choose but it's going to be a hell of a trek to get there and some fierce enemies and mighty obstacles will stand in your way. I love everything about this.
This is indeed a very interesting direction for the franchise but I have to admit that I really hope the gated structure of the world is still there in some form or another.
In my opinion, exploration in zelda (and metroid for that matter) is build on mystery and semi-frustration : all these times when your path is hard blocked by something and you wonder what is behind, knowing very well that, soon, you'll be able to go there with the right item but for now, you'll have to find another route. That brings thrill, anticipation and relief, as well as planning and map learning skills. What's there to not like
It's the perfect formula between strictly linear experience and aimless boring "do what you want" sandbox.
That's something I didn't like in LBW (liked it overall though) : being able to go anywhere without any restriction. Want to go there and don't have the right item ? rent it ! ugh.
Well, this is just a small concern because what I want and what they're saying don't necessarily contradict each other.
In my opinion, exploration in zelda (and metroid for that matter) is build on mystery and semi-frustration : all these times when your path is hard blocked by something and you wonder what is behind, knowing very well that, soon, you'll be able to go there with the right item but for now, you'll have to find another route. That brings thrill, anticipation and relief, as well as planning and map learning skills. What's there to not like
It's the perfect formula between strictly linear experience and aimless boring "do what you want" sandbox.
That's something I didn't like in LBW (liked it overall though) : being able to go anywhere without any restriction. Want to go there and don't have the right item ? rent it ! ugh.
Well, this is just a small concern because what I want and what they're saying don't necessarily contradict each other.
Did you watch the stream? The level design very naturally suggests where you could go next without forcing or asking you to do so.
Silphonica
Banned
Precisely
Whats the next most popular OoT run? 100%? I understand where you are coming from, but categories need to be creative since I also believe 100% is out of the picture due to the scale of the game.
I'm imaging a legend passed down in future Zelda games where a naked boy from a cave grabbed a tree branch to clobber Ganon just a few minutes after waking up, and it's got me laughing for days
Then just make a category that works. Not necessarily 100%. Maybe just every major dungeon, or every major item. There's plenty of options.
Or maybe the game won't be well suited to it. We'll see. But Link's mobility and the structure of the world certainly seems like it'd lend itself more to players pulling off cool moves or finding cool tricks to do things faster.
Beren the Empty-Handed
Member
Sounds like the Zelda of my dreams.