You know, even in diversity Hollywood is pretty non-diverse

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As a Hispanic male, I don't even notice the lack of diversity. Like it never even crosses my mind no matter what the medium is.

I'm part of the problem gaf. Absolute complacency.
 
Man? how about a child? The jungle book is the biggest film coming out soon. I don't know his name though.

If it's a guy. Probably Jon Cho in Hollywood. And Ben Kingsley or Dev Patel in the UK.

John Cho, Dev Patel and Kingsley can't lead a blockbuster movie really, I'm talking 80 million plus, heck 50.

The kid... is a kid. My point still stands. It's probably more like if they didn't cast a Indian actor, there would be riots (especially after Gods and Kings and that Egypt movie) also nobody is going to see the film because of him. Not one single person other than his family. You said it yourself, you don't even know his name.
 
Hollywood as always thought black representation covers all minorities and they fail on even supporting black actors and actresses. I'm still waiting for a a film with an Asian actor that doesn't need to reference his heritage or culture once.
 
John Cho, Dev Patel and Kingsley can't lead a blockbuster movie really, I'm talking 80 million plus, heck 50.

The kid... is a kid. My point still stands. It's probably more like if they didn't cast a Indian actor, there would be riots (especially after Gods and Kings and that Egypt movie) also nobody is going to see the film because of him. Not one single person other than his family. You said it yourself, you don't even know his name.

You've got the jist of it right. But fox searchlight's slum dog millionaire made nearly $400 million at the box office, with dev in the lead role, and the couple of unknown kids, some from slums.

Ben Kingsley is hugely successful. You've probably seen him lots of iconic films, even if you don't recall him. Schindler's List, Ghandi etc
 
There are some pretty hot talented dudes out there if you're actually looking
Wasn't implying there aren't any, i was just asking for any other instantly recognizable Asian American actors.

Daniel Dae Kim deserved much better after LOST than a supporting role on Hawaii Five-O(and I like that show most of the time).
 
Wasn't implying there aren't any, i was just asking for any other instantly recognizable Asian American actors.

Daniel Dae Kim deserved much better after LOST than a supporting role on Hawaii Five-O.
Bad for industry, but probably good for him personally

CBS procedural is good place to be. Steady job, good pay and he didn't have to move from Hawaii. His family could spend like ten years in one place. For actor that's a luxury.
 
I know of very few Asian female leads in movies.

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Which I should probably see as it's to do with identity politics in a sci-fi setting.
 
Hollywood as always thought black representation covers all minorities and they fail on even supporting black actors and actresses. I'm still waiting for a a film with an Asian actor that doesn't need to reference his heritage or culture once.


I feel like we're getting into No True Scotsman territory now.

About 5% of the US is Asian American. That 5% includes Keanu Reeves (John Wick), Dean Cain (Superman) Dave Bautista (Drax the Destroyer), and the Rock (Luke Hobbs).



As well as John Cho, Kal Penn, Sung Kang, Sendhil Ramamurthy, Ki Hong Lee, Daniel Henney, Aziz Ansari, Daniel Dae Kim among others. In fact, there are more well known male Asian American actors than female.


So when you say you can't think of one, you're obviously not talking about the full 5%. And that's where the language barrier comes in.

Edgar Wright, Simon Pegg, Nick Frost? Not American. George Miller and Tom Hardy? Not American. Russell Crowe, Hugh Jackman, Cate Blanchett, Colin Firth, Judi Dench, Sean Connery, Javier Bardem, Henry Cavill? You guessed it, not American.

Non-Americans have incredibly high representation in what we think of as "American cinema". Mad Max is Australian, The King's Speech is British. We just think of them as American.

But what about Memories of Murder? What about Kung Fu Hustle? What about Chungking Express? There is tons of Asian media out there with almost all Asian actors. The Asian Box Office is bigger than the US and Asian countries dwarf the US in population. I think it is the language difference that causes us not to "count" all these movies and television... and in turn, by not counting them it makes it less likely to take actors from them and give them major roles here.


So it's a combination of No True Scotsman eliminating the most famous Asian American actors (in which case less than 5% of the US is Asian American by that standard), ignoring Asian media because of language differences while counting foreign English media as essentially American, and ignoring the high popularity of foreign English speaking actors, that exacerbates the feeling of lack of representation and infuses US media with foreign English media.

If you want something ultra specific like Asian American male born in the US and with strong "Asian" features, you're definitely going below 1% of the population.
 
You've got the jist of it right. But fox searchlight's slum dog millionaire made nearly $400 million at the box office, with dev in the lead role, and the couple of unknown kids, some from slums.

Ben Kingsley is hugely successful. You've probably seen him lots of iconic films, even if you don't recall him. Schindler's List, Ghandi etc

Films like Ghandi (sure lets call it a blockbuster) and Slumdog (which was 15 million at the time anyway and not a Hollywood production) are really once in a generation kind of deals. Your point doesn't really hold up. It takes the British and the greatest figure of our time for there to be a lead cast in a blockbuster (if that's what you want to call them)
 
I feel like we're getting into No True Scotsman territory now.

About 5% of the US is Asian American. That 5% includes Keanu Reeves (John Wick), Dean Cain (Superman) Dave Bautista (Drax the Destroyer), and the Rock (Luke Hobbs).




As well as John Cho, Kal Penn, Sung Kang, Sendhil Ramamurthy, Ki Hong Lee, Daniel Henney, Aziz Ansari, Daniel Dae Kim among others. In fact, there are more well known male Asian American actors than female.


So when you say you can't think of one, you're obviously not talking about the full 5%. And that's where the language barrier comes in.

Edgar Wright, Simon Pegg, Nick Frost? Not American. George Miller and Tom Hardy? Not American. Russell Crowe, Hugh Jackman, Cate Blanchett, Colin Firth, Judi Dench, Sean Connery, Javier Bardem, Henry Cavill? You guessed it, not American.

Non-Americans have incredibly high representation in what we think of as "American cinema". Mad Max is Australian, The King's Speech is British. We just think of them as American.

But what about Memories of Murder? What about Kung Fu Hustle? What about Chungking Express? There is tons of Asian media out there with almost all Asian actors. The Asian Box Office is bigger than the US and Asian countries dwarf the US in population. I think it is the language difference that causes us not to "count" all these movies and television... and in turn, by not counting them it makes it less likely to take actors from them and give them major roles here.


So it's a combination of No True Scotsman eliminating the most famous Asian American actors (in which case less than 5% of the US is Asian American by that standard), ignoring Asian media because of language differences while counting foreign English media as essentially American, and ignoring the high popularity of foreign English speaking actors, that exacerbates the feeling of lack of representation and infuses US media with foreign English media.

If you want something ultra specific like Asian American male born in the US and with strong "Asian" features, you're definitely going below 1% of the population.

So a bunch of actors who have some fraction of them being Asian, some of which aren't even recognizably asian? I think Hollywood is more accepting of racially ambiguous people than straight up 100%. Vin Diesel and The Rock are big examples.

Also I think you're confusing Hollywood not being receptive to non-English movies with not being receptive to non-American, because the difference between needing subtitles and not is HUGE
 
It definitely annoys me to see Star Wars held up as this bastion of progress in Hollywood while I think to myself, "You cast another main character as white, congrats on being so brave?"
 
I agree. When the The Maze Runner came out i was wondering why couldn't the Asian guy be the main character and the white guy be the co-star. It would not have hurt the movie none if the main character was Asian-american.
It would have hurt because that movie is for young
WHITE (it deserves all caps
adults and as a YA movie the lead guy has to instantly be with the girl who just happens to be white 101% of the time. Maybe one day if you see a Asian in One Direction you'll get that
 
It would have hurt because that movie is for young
WHITE (it deserves all caps
adults and as a YA movie the lead guy has to instantly be with the girl who just happens to be white 101% of the time. Maybe one day if you see a Asian in One Direction you'll get that


Um, there was an Asian in one direction
 
My people have The Rock.

And... um.

Uhhhhhhhhh.

He's black... I think. At least part black. Or ... Hispanic, I think, you know, possibly there's some Filipino in there, yeah, possibly some Filipino. I mean if he...if he's black it's definitely diluted. I mean, one of his parents must be white. What the hell is Jessica Alba for that matter? If I were 40 years younger, I would plow that 'til next July.
 
It definitely annoys me to see Star Wars held up as this bastion of progress in Hollywood while I think to myself, "You cast another main character as white, congrats on being so brave?"
Haha, yes, for Rogue One especially. Looking forward to it, but call me next time you make the chick black or Latino or anything but full-on English ethnic.
 
Mindy Kaling says hi. And though not leading men, Aziz Ansari and Kunnal Nayyar are two of the best known sitcom stars. None of them play their race for cheap laughs either.

So there are some good counterexamples showing that at least some people in Hollywood are trying.
 
Another issue is the bankable black actors are getting too old. Many are in their 50s now. We need new blood. I certainly don't want to see Kevin Hart in everything.
 
The Harold and Kumar trilogy are the most progressive movies in years. A movie starring an Indian and Asian where their race isn't the focus? Ahead of its time.
 
What? Didn't their race play a big part in the movies and their jokes?

Yeah the fact that they defied race stereotypes and were just normal dudes in their 20s
Mindy Kaling says hi. And though not leading men, Aziz Ansari and Kunnal Nayyar are two of the best known sitcom stars. None of them play their race for cheap laughs either.

So there are some good counterexamples showing that at least some people in Hollywood are trying.

No one says they don't exist, but when your counterexamples are 3 Indian people on TV (which has already proven itself more risk taking and diverse than Hollywood cinema) that says a lot. Not to mention you yourself said they aren't leading men/women
 
Watching the MCU movies from start to finish is going to be hilarious a decade from now. It's a time-lapse view of Marvel and Disney being dragged kicking and screaming into the modern world.

phase 1: white dudes

phase 2: white dudes with white women and black men on the periphery

phase 3: white men, white women, and black men, finally on equal footing.
 
Mindy Kaling says hi. And though not leading men, Aziz Ansari and Kunnal Nayyar are two of the best known sitcom stars. None of them play their race for cheap laughs either.

So there are some good counterexamples showing that at least some people in Hollywood are trying.
What. They take cheap shots at India all the time.
 
Watching the MCU movies from start to finish is going to be hilarious a decade from now. It's a time-lapse view of Marvel and Disney being dragged kicking and screaming into the modern world.

phase 1: white dudes

phase 2: white dudes with white women and black men on the periphery

phase 3: white men, white women, and black men, finally on equal footing.

Remember the Heimdall uproar?
 
I'll be pretty disappointed if they make a Ms Marvel movie, and put Carol Danvers in the lead role instead of Kamala Khan. It would be awesome to have a south Asian female lead in a marvel movie.They already missed a chance at casting miles morales as Spider-Man in civil war and I hope they don't make the same decision.
 
Yeah the fact that they defied race stereotypes and were just normal dudes in their 20s

Oh yeah, right. Didn't seperate these two things.

I'll be pretty disappointed if they make a Ms Marvel movie, and put Carol Danvers in the lead role instead of Kamala Khan. It would be awesome to have a south Asian female lead in a marvel movie.They already missed a chance at casting miles morales as Spider-Man in civil war and I hope they don't make the same decision.

They already confirmed that Captain Marvel (Carol) is getting a movie. And both Kamala and Miles depend on their predecessors in their origin stories, though I still have no idea how Kamala looks up to Carol as a role model. If Marvel were to do something similar to what you wanted they'd change the race of Carol and Peter themselves, and the later would be very difficult to touch.
 
One of the reasons I can't be as excited with everyone else for Star Wars having another female lead in Rogue One is cuz it's another white lead.

For hispanics all we got now is Zoe Saldana and Oscar Isaac.

Light skinned hispanic women have done alright in the past.

Michelle Rodriguez, Rosario Dawson, Eva Mendes, Salma Hayek, Cameron Diaz, Jessica Alba, and Jennifer Lopez were at least household names at some point in the last 20 years. You also have all of the Disney and Nickelodeon girls who went the acting/singing route, though they have more clout with preteens and teens.

Try naming as many Hispanic Men who have reached a similar status since 1995.
 
Morales and Khan need the MCU to still be a thing when the Parker and Danvers actors are ready to move on.
 
I'll be pretty disappointed if they make a Ms Marvel movie, and put Carol Danvers in the lead role instead of Kamala Khan. It would be awesome to have a south Asian female lead in a marvel movie.They already missed a chance at casting miles morales as Spider-Man in civil war and I hope they don't make the same decision.
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I work in close proximity to a few studios and production houses and I can tell you that theres a huge problem off-screen as well.

Evey aspect of film production is white as fuck: From the writing, post production, marketing, even set/wardrobe design, lighting, and sound.
 
I feel like we're getting into No True Scotsman territory now.

About 5% of the US is Asian American. That 5% includes Keanu Reeves (John Wick), Dean Cain (Superman) Dave Bautista (Drax the Destroyer), and the Rock (Luke Hobbs).




As well as John Cho, Kal Penn, Sung Kang, Sendhil Ramamurthy, Ki Hong Lee, Daniel Henney, Aziz Ansari, Daniel Dae Kim among others. In fact, there are more well known male Asian American actors than female.


So when you say you can't think of one, you're obviously not talking about the full 5%. And that's where the language barrier comes in.

Edgar Wright, Simon Pegg, Nick Frost? Not American. George Miller and Tom Hardy? Not American. Russell Crowe, Hugh Jackman, Cate Blanchett, Colin Firth, Judi Dench, Sean Connery, Javier Bardem, Henry Cavill? You guessed it, not American.

Non-Americans have incredibly high representation in what we think of as "American cinema". Mad Max is Australian, The King's Speech is British. We just think of them as American.

But what about Memories of Murder? What about Kung Fu Hustle? What about Chungking Express? There is tons of Asian media out there with almost all Asian actors. The Asian Box Office is bigger than the US and Asian countries dwarf the US in population. I think it is the language difference that causes us not to "count" all these movies and television... and in turn, by not counting them it makes it less likely to take actors from them and give them major roles here.


So it's a combination of No True Scotsman eliminating the most famous Asian American actors (in which case less than 5% of the US is Asian American by that standard), ignoring Asian media because of language differences while counting foreign English media as essentially American, and ignoring the high popularity of foreign English speaking actors, that exacerbates the feeling of lack of representation and infuses US media with foreign English media.

If you want something ultra specific like Asian American male born in the US and with strong "Asian" features, you're definitely going below 1% of the population.

Yeah but Keanu is seen as white by most people and has been for more or less his whole career. And the Rock is half black. Also I always thought Bautista was Latino, etc.

I think people are speaking more about Asian representation that....looks....a bit more ethnically Asian. This is murky territory I know, but essentially just more Asians who can't easily past as white or where you really have to do some exploring to figure out they're Asian or part-Asian. That doesn't disqualify those individuals of their heritage of course (just like how someone who may not necessarily look "black" but turns out to have black heritage isn't any less connected to that heritage than someone who may appear a bit more ethnically "black"), but in terms of visual representation, if your pool of leading Asian actors look conspicuously Caucasian, that is going to have ramifications on feedback to viewers at large, both consciously and subconsciously, which just continue to wedge further into the racial identity problems of Western societies that were established centuries ago.

It's basically saying, "hey if you're Asian and want a leading role, you need to pass for Caucasian!", and there are many Asians who wouldn't qualify for that. Hollywood is kind of similar when it comes to Latinos (the peculiarities there are a bit different but the end message is the same), and was kind of that way with black people or those of African descent as well, tho obviously that started to lax pretty wildly a few decades ago (doesn't mean stereotypical roles went away, of course. They just got more subtle). That just reinforces pre-existing discrimination instead of fixing the problem.
 
I'd like to see more Asian-American leading men in movies.

I'd wonder how a romantic comedy would do in America if the lead characters were an Asian male and Black female and the wacky best friend was Latino male or female.

Can you imagine Donnie Yen being the lead in Rouge one? How awesome would that have been.
 
I'll be pretty disappointed if they make a Ms Marvel movie, and put Carol Danvers in the lead role instead of Kamala Khan. It would be awesome to have a south Asian female lead in a marvel movie.They already missed a chance at casting miles morales as Spider-Man in civil war and I hope they don't make the same decision.
Uhhhh......I'd hate to be the one to break it to you fam.
 
I'm neither for or against J Law casting. But I can understand why some people back then think Katniss could be POC. Not only because of the description of her character, but also because her original district, Panem, sounds like an Indian name.
It is a little dodgy surrounding the movie given I see Katniss in the books as a character of color. I like Jennifer Lawrence in the performance most of the time but apparently only white women were allowed to audition, and anyone who was POC could not which sounds a bit dodgy.
 
Light skinned hispanic women have done alright in the past.

Michelle Rodriguez, Rosario Dawson, Eva Mendes, Salma Hayek, Cameron Diaz, Jessica Alba, and Jennifer Lopez were at least household names at some point in the last 20 years. You also have all of the Disney and Nickelodeon girls who went the acting/singing route, though they have more clout with preteens and teens.

Try naming as many Hispanic Men who have reached a similar status since 1995.
I can only think of Antonio Banderas. Michael Pena is getting close if he keeps getting big roles in movies like Fury, Ant-Man, and The Martian.
 
Another issue is the bankable black actors are getting too old. Many are in their 50s now. We need new blood. I certainly don't want to see Kevin Hart in everything.
Oh that would would be horrible. chadwick boseman should take care of the absence of Denzel Washington.
 
One of the reasons I can't be as excited with everyone else for Star Wars having another female lead in Rogue One is cuz it's another white lead.

For hispanics all we got now is Zoe Saldana and Oscar Isaac.

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I'll be pretty disappointed if they make a Ms Marvel movie, and put Carol Danvers in the lead role instead of Kamala Khan. It would be awesome to have a south Asian female lead in a marvel movie.They already missed a chance at casting miles morales as Spider-Man in civil war and I hope they don't make the same decision.

I thought it had long been confirmed that it's going to be Carol Danvers?

Watching the MCU movies from start to finish is going to be hilarious a decade from now. It's a time-lapse view of Marvel and Disney being dragged kicking and screaming into the modern world.

phase 1: white dudes

phase 2: white dudes with white women and black men on the periphery

phase 3: white men, white women, and black men, finally on equal footing.

Will probably suck, and might even be canceled, but credit to DC for casting Jason Momoa as Aquaman. They could have gone with the blond haired white guy as the character is usually shown to be.
 
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