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news of William Wisher involvement (co-writer of T2 and T1 collaborator) for the next films make you close the window off.

http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/exclusive-wishers-take-on-terminator-5-6/

EXCLUSIVE: Now that Pacificor has pulled the Terminator franchise out of bankruptcy, the question becomes: How to wrap up one of the great sci-fi franchises for hardcore fans who feel neither of the last two installments measured up to the first two that James Cameron directed? Cameron seems unlikely to return to the fold (even though Terminator would fit nicely into the portfolio of 3D films like Fantastic Voyage he’s producing.) But what if I told you his writing partner on the first two films, William Wisher, has scripted a detailed 24-page treatment for Terminator 5, and a 4-page concept outline for Terminator 6? And that I’ve read both?

As a Terminator fanboy myself, I think Wisher has done a terrific job with a plot that accepts the storylines from Jonathan Mostow’s Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines and McG’s Terminator: Salvation. Most interestingly, he turns the story back to the core characters and time travel storyline of the first two films that Wisher crafted with Cameron. Gale Anne Hurd shared writing credit with Cameron on the original film while Wisher got an “additional dialogue by” credit, but I’m told he was plenty involved. He and Cameron shared screenwriting credit on Terminator 2: Judgment Day. But Wisher walked away from the 3rd film out of loyalty to Cameron and had no involvement with Terminator: Salvation. Now he wants back in. I won't give away Wisher’s plotlines. After all, it’s not clear at this point whether Pacificor — or Sony and Lionsgate, the most likely studios to ultimately make the next installments — will engage him to write the final installments. But I’ve received permission to disclose some high points:

Wisher’s 2-picture construct takes place in a post-apocalyptic battleground, and factors in an element of time travel that allows for Sarah Connor and Kyle Reese to interact beyond their single fateful meeting when he traveled back in time to protect her in the original film. Wisher has created a role for Arnold Schwarzenegger that is as surprising as his shift from villain in the first film, to John Connor’s bodyguard in the second. Schwarzenegger wouldn’t be needed until the final film, which wouldn’t shoot until after he ends his term as California Governor. And who wouldn’t want to see Linda Hamilton back in aerobic top fitness form as Sarah Connor?

There are several new villains, and plenty of firepower. For instance, a swarm of “Night Crawlers,” 4 1/2-foot tall border sentries that are set like mines to spring up out of the ground and ambush rebel fighters with 10 MM pistols built into their wrists, and fingers and feet that are razor sharp. Also fresh off the Skynet assembly line are new shape-shifting cyborgs that can morph together in Transformers-like mode, and are more lethal than anything we’ve seen in previous Terminator installments.

Wisher presents a satisfying conclusion to what by then would be a 6-picture struggle between Skynet’s machines and John and Sarah Connor to preserve a future that allows mankind to prevail over the machines. I’d pay to see these movies. How about you?

Die already. Just let it fucking die.
 

SimleuqiR

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MisterHero

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Lionel Mandrake said:
The integrity of a movie series about time traveling robots is being challenged.
Normally that would be ironic and funny but Terminator 2 is so great anything trying to continue it would be an insult to movie-making
 

Teddman

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I enjoyed all of them, so I say bring 'em on.

T4 was the worst of the series, but it was still a pretty good sci-fi action flick. The worst of Terminator is still better than most sci-fi movies.
 
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MisterHero said:
Normally that would be ironic and funny but Terminator 2 is so great anything trying to continue it would be an insult to movie-making

This. I just watched it last night for the first time in years. It still holds up, and is seriously an amazing film. I'm very much in the "nothing exists after T2" camp.
 

Wads

Banned
I’d pay to see these movies. How about you?

:lol Absolutely not. This sounds horrible!

Also fresh off the Skynet assembly line are new shape-shifting cyborgs that can morph together in Transformers-like mode, and are more lethal than anything we’ve seen in previous Terminator installments.

:lol :lol :lol
 

Escape Goat

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Terminator franchise has no humanity after T2. It wasn't about the story or characters anymore but about selling blockbuster movie tickets.
 

Archaix

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As a Terminator fanboy myself, I think Wisher has done a terrific job with a plot that accepts the storylines from Jonathan Mostow’s Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines and McG’s Terminator: Salvation. Most interestingly, he turns the story back to the core characters and time travel storyline of the first two films that Wisher crafted with Cameron. Gale Anne Hurd shared writing credit with Cameron on the original film while Wisher got an “additional dialogue by” credit, but I’m told he was plenty involved. He and Cameron shared screenwriting credit on Terminator 2: Judgment Day. But Wisher walked away from the 3rd film out of loyalty to Cameron and had no involvement with Terminator: Salvation. Now he wants back in. I won't give away Wisher’s plotlines. After all, it’s not clear at this point whether Pacificor — or Sony and Lionsgate, the most likely studios to ultimately make the next installments — will engage him to write the final installments. But I’ve received permission to disclose some high points:


Well there's your problem...
 
The TV show killed the franchise, not the 3rd movie.
While not close to the same level as Judgment Day, it was decent.

But seeing how #1 was an awesome sci-fi movie and #2 was the best action movie ever made, I see why people hate it so.
 

KamenSenshi

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it would be nice if just once they could let a series die. first 2 great. last 2 not. bring back the series with him as a writer or just realize that not every movie can be a constantly milked franchise year after year.
 
Teddman said:
I enjoyed all of them, so I say bring 'em on.

T4 was the worst of the series, but it was still a pretty good sci-fi action flick. The worst of Terminator is still better than most sci-fi movies.


I liked 4 better then 3 with 1 and 2 being my favorites. I agree with you though, I enjoyed them all. Some just more then others.
 
Listen, and understand. That franchise is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
 

MattKeil

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Wrath2X said:
I still hate how 2 actually had an ending to the whole series yet Hollywood had to milk it.

Not really, since the characters in T2 are wrong about being able to change the future. Terminator 3 should have dealt with what exactly Skynet is and how it is able to exist outside of time in order to bring about its own creation, and explored how humanity fights what is apparently an omniscient enemy.

Instead, we got the Terminatrix. And to that I say:

Fuck Hollywood
 

jett

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MattKeil said:
Not really, since the characters in T2 are wrong about being able to change the future. Terminator 3 should have dealt with what exactly Skynet is and how it is able to exist outside of time in order to bring about its own creation, and explored how humanity fights what is apparently an omniscient enemy.

Instead, we got the Terminatrix. And to that I say:

Wat?

They changed the future in T2, period. Should have ended there.
 

goomba

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1 and 2 are two of my favourite movies of all time, 2 should have been the conclusion.

3 was awful, 4 was well done but should have contained more. I do think we need one more sequel showing the John Conner being sent to the past and humanity winning the war against Skynet.
 

Kronotech

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I like time travel and robots so unfortunately I'll be there.

They just really really need a solid script and director to revive it.
 

Drewsky

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They should just make Aliens vs. Predator vs. Terminator and just destroy my whole childhood in one blow. That's what I think.

Actually throw in John McClane too, he'll be the hero.
 

industrian

will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
Lionel Mandrake said:
You watched Alien, Predator, and Terminator as a child?

The Terminator was my favourite movie when I was 4-7 years old. Then I saw Terminator 2 and it took the throne.
 
Count Dookkake said:
You didn't?

:lol

Terminator 2? Yes. Terminator 1? No. Didn't have the attention span for a gritty, tense horror. Alien? No. The same for Terminator. Predator? No. I honestly didn't even hear this movie mentioned much until my family got an internet connection.
 

Drewsky

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Lionel Mandrake said:
Terminator 2? Yes. Terminator 1? No. Didn't have the attention span for a gritty, tense horror. Alien? No. The same for Terminator. Predator? No. I honestly didn't even hear this movie mentioned much until my family got an internet connection.
You missed out man.
 

MattKeil

BIGTIME TV MOGUL #2
jett said:
Wat?

They changed the future in T2, period. Should have ended there.

They changed nothing. T1 establishes that the future cannot be changed, T2 does nothing to contradict it. The characters are wrong, and nothing has changed.
 
Drewsky said:
You missed out man.
I really don't see how. I saw the movies in my pre-teen years and enjoyed them greatly. They just wouldn't interest the child version of myself. As a kid I liked Batman, Superman, Ninja Turtles, and movies with toilet jokes. It was a simpler time.
 

Toby

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While I don't think anything will ever measure up to T2, I desperately want more terminator.

Oh, and I think I first watched T2 when I was 6 or so. Movie was awesome, and got even better when I got old enough to really understand what was going on.
 
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