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[numble]

Wat?

They changed the future in T2, period. Should have ended there.

Even with Cameron, there is a canon future: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T2_3d

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Honestly, I think they've got the ultimate 'out' card to play with time travel being so embedded into the storyline. They can pick and choose whatever it is that works and literally rewrite their history to suit. I would like to see scaled back sequels if and when they do them (the production work, if it comes back to NM, would be nice).

 

[Chinner]

Even with Cameron, there is a canon future: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T2_3d

i like to think most people ignore the existence of t2:3d.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Even with Cameron, there is a canon future: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T2_3d

:lol

If you think that wasn't written around creating gimmicky shit for the ride, then you are very daft.

 

[Brera]

My 3 favourite movies from my childhood were T2, Aliens and Predator :lol I loved them all as a kid.

I feel sorry for people who have never seen Terminator, Aliens, Predator and Robocop.

They seem to pop up a lot on GAF, maybe we should make it a bannable offence?

 

[Geek]

Bring 'em on. Neither film could possibly be worse than Terminator 3 or more dull than Salvation. The bar has been set so low that anything that there's no harm in trying again.

 

[EliCash]

I think they should just do a series reboot. With Michael Cera as John Connor.

Spoiler

would be better than salvation anyway

 

[Lich_King]

Bring 'em on. Neither film could possibly be worse than Terminator 3 or more dull than Salvation. The bar has been set so low that anything that there's no harm in trying again.

That's what you want to think...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers_2

 

[Wads]

I know, right?

A shapeshifting Terminator? What a ridiculous idea!

They said Tranformer like - not shapeshifting. If it was more like T2, then I would imagine they would have compared it to that instead of Transformers. So the image I am left with is transforming robots which sounds like a horrible ridiculous idea in the framework of the Terminator series.

 

[jett]

They changed nothing. T1 establishes that the future cannot be changed, T2 does nothing to contradict it. The characters are wrong, and nothing has changed.

Even with Cameron, there is a canon future: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T2_3d

Why hullo thar, prepare to get mindfucked:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gVn3r8SMzo

 

[Jazzy Network]

Man i remember T2 for the gameboy. That game was hard.

 

[numble]

Why hullo thar, prepare to get mindfucked:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gVn3r8SMzo

There's a reason why the alternate ending is not the main ending. It's even separated from the additional scenes he puts into the Director's Cut.

 

[Geek]

That's what you want to think...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers_2

Well, there have been plenty of good movies with shit direct to DVD sequels. But it's doubtful that it would be as bad as, say...

 

[ryutaro's mama]

There's a reason why the alternate ending is not the main ending. It's even separated from the additional scenes he puts into the Director's Cut.

The fact that he even scripted and filmed that ending means Cameron was done with the series.

You really think that he wasn't offered the ability to do a Terminator 3 after the success of 2?

Cameron was done with his vision of Terminator.

 

[How About No]

Well, there have been plenty of good movies with shit direct to DVD sequels. But it's doubtful that it would be as bad as, say...

Oh god this exists?

 

[beelzebozo]

:lol

If you think that wasn't written around creating gimmicky shit for the ride, then you are very daft.

james cameron does not make movies relying on gimmicks, sir! not james cameron!

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Oh god this exists?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXRP...3F734830&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=13

 

[numble]

The fact that he even scripted and filmed that ending means Cameron was done with the series.

You really think that he wasn't offered the ability to do a Terminator 3 after the success of 2?

Cameron was done with his vision of Terminator.

He was willing to do T2:3D, but I'm sure he's done with the series now. I don't think he ever said that he thought the story was over, just that his part in it was over. Who knows, maybe he would have kept doing Terminator if he didn't have a falling out with Linda Hamilton, who received the rights to Terminator movies after their divorce...

 

[Drewsky]

I'm glad Cameron never made another Terminator. T2 is one of my favorite movies ever, but if he would have made T3 it probably would have been an epic love story about a soldier falling in love with a Terminator.

 

[Osuwari]

I've been waiting for Terminator vs Robocop since the 3rd grade.

if it has the Freddy Vs Jason effect, it could actually do pretty well at the box office since FvsJ did better than any movie in either franchise.

now, it is more likely to go the route of Alien Vs Predator since Terminator was big back in the day like Alien and nowadays both series seem to be in the same shape as the Alien and Predator series when AvsP was made. Alien had 2 great installments and 2 zzz ones, just like Terminator. Robocop only had installments back in the day and was never revisited, just like Predator. there's too many parallels here lol.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

He was willing to do T2:3D, but I'm sure he's done with the series now. I don't think he ever said that he thought the story was over, just that his part in it was over. Who knows, maybe he would have kept doing Terminator if he didn't have a falling out with Linda Hamilton, who received the rights to Terminator movies after their divorce...

His recent comments in regards to T*S:

http://scifiwire.com/2009/12/james-cameron-terminator.php

"I've moved on creatively from The Terminator, so I'm not really interested in that imagery and even those ideas anymore—and I'm not sure the world is that interested either. It's run its course, I feel."
As evidence of this, he points to this summer's disappointing Terminator Salvation, which attempted to continue the series without Arnold Schwarzenegger.

"His persona was part of The Terminator, and when you uncouple those, you get Terminator Salvation, which is actually a fine film from a pure filmmaking standpoint—it just doesn't gel up into anything mind-blowing."

http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2009/02/05/james_cameron_refuses_to_endorse_termina

He tells Wired.com, "I didn't want to feel like the guy who gave birth to the Terminator is against what we're doing, so I go to see James Cameron to kiss the ring and tell him what I was trying to do. He's cordial but says, 'I'm not going to endorse your movie. I reserve the right to hate it. But I wish you well, and if you're going to make a Terminator, I'd prefer you make a good one to a bad one'.'"

Yeah, I think he is done.

 

[numble]

His recent comments in regards to T*S:

http://scifiwire.com/2009/12/james-cameron-terminator.php



http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2009/02/05/james_cameron_refuses_to_endorse_termina



Yeah, I think he is done.

He is done now, nobody is suggesting Cameron wants to do more with it. But I think he left the window open at the end of T2 (and even made T2:3D) on the chance that he wanted to come back. He's had multiple opportunities to just say "stop," the story's over, but even when talking about Terminator Salvation before it was made, he did not say it is wrong just because it exists--he is diplomatic and prefers it to be good, and afterwards he thinks there should have been a bigger focus on Arnold (he was the one that encouraged Arnold to make T3, if I remember correctly). I'm sure his fallout with Linda, and the fact that he had to hand his rights over to her in the divorce, has some part to do with it--he's always talking about Arnold but doesn't mention that Linda was just as big a part of the series as Arnold was.

 

[FoneBone]

This will never happen. Only place that the franchise is going to go at this point is a reboot.

 

[Drewsky]

This will never happen. Only place that the franchise is going to go at this point is a reboot.

I'm hoping that never happens either.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

He is done now, nobody is suggesting Cameron wants to do more with it. But I think he left the window open at the end of T2 (and even made T2:3D) on the chance that he wanted to come back. He's had multiple opportunities to just say "stop," the story's over, but even when talking about Terminator Salvation before it was made, he did not say it is wrong just because it exists--he is diplomatic and prefers it to be good, and afterwards he thinks there should have been a bigger focus on Arnold (he was the one that encouraged Arnold to make T3, if I remember correctly). I'm sure his fallout with Linda, and the fact that he had to hand his rights over to her in the divorce, has some part to do with it--he's always talking about Arnold but doesn't mention that Linda was just as big a part of the series as Arnold was.

Wat?

http://www.torontosun.com/entertainment/movies/2009/12/17/12192301.html

He regretfully sold the rights for $1 in exchange for Directing rights.

Where are you getting this wild divorce scenario?

 

[numble]

Wat?

http://www.torontosun.com/entertainment/movies/2009/12/17/12192301.html

He regretfully sold the rights for $1 in exchange for Directing rights.

Where are you getting this wild divorce scenario?

I've read the divorce scenario a couple of times:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=linda+hamilton+divorce+terminator+rights+mario+kassar

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Wat?

http://www.torontosun.com/entertainment/movies/2009/12/17/12192301.html

He regretfully sold the rights for $1 in exchange for Directing rights.

Where are you getting this wild divorce scenario?

I think he sold them to Gale Anne Hurd for $1 to direct. Then when they split he attained them back. Then when he divorced Sarah Connor she took them and sold them to Mario Kassar and Andrew VAJna.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I think he sold them to Gale Anne Hurd for $1 to direct. Then when they split he attained them back. Then when he divorced Sarah Connor she took them and sold them to Mario Kassar and Andrew VAJna.

Oh I see....

Gotcha.

 

[FoneBone]

I'm hoping that never happens either.

Not a chance of this actually staying dead permanently... unless said reboot bombs. Too much money to be made.

 

[Veidt]

They should focus on making Terminator more like LOST ( the ingredients are there). Instead of Transformers.

 

[Chuckie]

I know, right?

A shapeshifting Terminator? What a ridiculous idea!

It is ridiculous when they morph together as some failed version of Devastator (The real Devastator, not the one with the huge balls in that crap movie)

 

[BAW]

This is a bit off-topic, but has it ever been addressed in the series' canon why the machines could not keep sending terminators at the same point in time, if they failed the first time? I mean, seeing how T800 failed in T1, why then not send a T1000 in the same year to try again? What stopped them exactly? Why not send an army of terminators for that matter?

 

[Furret]

This is a bit off-topic, but has it ever been addressed in the series' canon why the machines could not keep sending terminators at the same point in time, if they failed the first time? I mean, seeing how T800 failed in T1, why then not send a T1000 in the same year to try again? What stopped them exactly? Why not send an army of terminators for that matter?

It was clearly implied in the first film that SkyNet only had a chance to send one (presumably retconned to two and then three in subsequent films) before the humans broke into its time machine facility and took over.

The whole point was that SkyNet was on the verge of losing the whole war in the future and going back in time was a last ditch effort.

On the subject of T2 3-D, the thing I don't understand is why are the 3D effects so much better than Avatar? I know T2 is a dedicated theatre but surely the passing of 14 years should've mitigated that advantage?

There's nothing in Avatar even half as impressive, in a technical sense, as the T-1000 coming out of the screen in T2 3-D.

 

[krioto]

T1 and T2 were fantastic- loved the whole concept/story etc.

But after that, it's just all gone to shit, resembling another hollywood movie franchise sucked dry.

 

[davepoobond]

why not

 

[OneEightZero]

I'm nostalgic now. Been watching the first movie during GIF creation for a Gaffer. I keep forgetting how memorable the score for these movies are... been humming the theme song for several hours.

 

[Lau]

Sculli, what is your obsession with anything related to James Cameron?




Also, Terminator 4 is a good movie. I do not consider the franchise worthless.

 

[catashtrophe]

Its a shame James Cameron didn't bother to bid for the Terminator rights coz at least if he won it then he could have let it RIP and we would never have to deal with irrelevant and pointless sequels.

 

[Fallout-NL]

The integrity of a movie series about time traveling robots is being challenged.

Very funny, but Terminator 1 and 2 are masterpieces undeserving of such continued sacrilege.

 

[Lau]

I don't get everyone bitching about stuff not being canon because there are one or two bad iterations. Stories have good parts, and bad parts, thats how it works. If you do not consider, for example, Alien 3 canon because it is not the same director and the same quality then that is just stupid. It's not like if one arc of Ultimate X-Men sucks, that the whole series is doomed and should never have existed.

I love the Terminator franchise, and although part 1 and 2 are the most memorable for me, I would love to see how other directors can give a spin to the franchise.

 

[Fallout-NL]

Alien 3 was a pretty good film.


Terminator 3 and 4 were not.

 

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

I enjoyed all of them, so I say bring 'em on.

T4 was the worst of the series, but it was still a pretty good sci-fi action flick. The worst of Terminator is still better than most sci-fi movies.

You having Shadow as your avatar makes sense.

 

[Jex]

I don't get everyone bitching about stuff not being canon because there are one or two bad iterations. Stories have good parts, and bad parts, thats how it works. If you do not consider, for example, Alien 3 canon because it is not the same director and the same quality then that is just stupid. It's not like if one arc of Ultimate X-Men sucks, that the whole series is doomed and should never have existed.

I love the Terminator franchise, and although part 1 and 2 are the most memorable for me, I would love to see how other directors can give a spin to the franchise.

I don't think it's so ludicros to call something cannon when it's all created by one person, and then non-cannon or a differnt cannon when someone else does it. Regardless of the acutal quality, that is.

Also, maybe we don't want a franchise. When something is created you don't add value by having lots of different people create their own spin on an idea. Many people that you can damage the 'specail-ness' of a property by having lots of sequels made that dilute what made the original work enjoyable. Ofcouse this is not necessairly a rule.

 

[Aske]

The Terminator universe transcends Cameron in the same way Batman transcends Bob Kane. There is no reason it can't be rebooted into something magnificent at some point. Since the purity of the first two films has long since been eroded, I'll take half a dozen crummy sequels if it gets me an amazing Terminator Begins in 2020. No bad sequels would have been best, but one bad sequel is no worse than fifty.

I'd love to see another decent Terminator film. Maybe some day Hollywood will aim higher than an image on the side of a limited edition Slurpy cup.

 

[tino]

I am a sucker for post apocalypse movies. T4 is a decent post-apro flick, mainly because it has the budget to back it up. It's no Mad Max, but I will take whatever I can get. And it's better than Alien 4.

So bring on the milking.

 

[PoliceCop]

They should focus on making Terminator more like LOST ( the ingredients are there). Instead of Transformers.

It should have crappy cliff hangers and red herrings every ten minutes? This makes no sense at all. Would you be willing to issue a retraction?

 

[AnkitT]

Continue with it I say, can never have enough terminator! MOAR!!

 

[Lau]

The Terminator universe transcends Cameron in the same way Batman transcends Bob Kane. There is no reason it can't be rebooted into something magnificent at some point. Since the purity of the first two films has long since been eroded, I'll take half a dozen crummy sequels if it gets me an amazing Terminator Begins in 2020. No bad sequels would have been best, but one bad sequel is no worse than fifty.

I'd love to see another decent Terminator film. Maybe some day Hollywood will aim higher than an image on the side of a limited edition Slurpy cup.

Exactly. The Terminator is just a story, not just a film, it's a story and you can make different interpretations of it, as long as it's the same in it's core.

In 2020 people will beg for a Terminator reboot/remake.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

This. I just watched it last night for the first time in years. It still holds up, and is seriously an amazing film. I'm very much in the "nothing exists after T2" camp.

I have had the good sense to skip T3 and T:S, so that's basically true for me already.

OTOH, T2 hasn't aged terribly, but it has aged some. Conventional action moves of the same era hold up better.

 

[beelzebozo]

I have had the good sense to skip T3 and T:S, so that's basically true for me already.

OTOH, T2 hasn't aged terribly, but it has aged some. Conventional action moves of the same era hold up better.

think so? i watch T2 and see nothing to dislike. i can't think off-hand of an action movie that is noticeably top-to-bottom better from that era. i guess you could make the argument that DIE HARD, released 3 years earlier, may qualify, but i still think T2 holds up just as well as that (and certainly better than the second DIE HARD released a year before T2). maybe i'm forgetting some really rad early nineties action movies though.