Yusuf Mehdi on Xbox One: 'We have a better value proposition than our competitors'

nailbombxx said:
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adin75 said:
''I'm smart, rich and attractive to the opposite sex''
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Years if sony is anything to go by.......
 
Garrett 2U said:
This made sense after Xbone reveal, before E3. Doesn't anymore.
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REV 09 said:
they're practically the same dude. I wonder how things might have played out differently if MS had changed the order of their 2 conferences.
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It does, look at the interview, Entertainment and games is a direct quote from the interview and it sums up perfectly why i consider a stronger games console more important than Kinect.

Microsoft cheaped out on specs to get the entertainment, sony went for the gaming specs at a time when it meant they would probably bmiss the entertainment features as it looked like 2gb of GDDR5 is all we would get.
 
I agree with him. I have both consoles paid in full but neither have that must have launch game so the entertainment focus is making the Xbox feel like the better buy for me but then again I'll probably feel different when I get my hands on KzSF and Forza.
 
Garrett 2U said:
This made sense after Xbone reveal, before E3. Doesn't anymore.
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They're coming off a huge 4 year gap of barely putting out games on their previous console.

I know I'm sounding like a broken record with that but it really is why almost no one takes anything MS says they're going to do when it comes to games at face value, and why they get bashed endlessly any time they talk about apps/tv/kinect.
 
At the end, the devil is on the details. Is not only announcing that the console will have cloud infra, better specs, or more games. Is more about how good cloud works, if delta on specs really makes a difference, and obviously, the quality of games. THAT will determine the real value of ps4 of x1 at the end.
 
Well this thread got chewed up in record time. Can't really blame the vultures, MS hasn't shown $100 worth of difference. I dig some of what they've shown, just not to the tune of $100 more than the other guys.
 
adin75 said:
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15 times a day until it becomes true or until you see yourself that way.

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SwiftDeath said:
Years if sony is anything to go by.......
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What are you saying about Sony? ;p
 
They still haven't showed anything remotely interesting using Kinect. Also pushing entertainment that is behind a fucking paywall is pretty scummy.
 
It's common for companies to play up their weakness if you learn to look for it.

If you pay attention to what corporations talk about the most, you can realize what they're the worst at.

Car companies are especially obvious for doing this.
Hyundai plays up 'America's Best Warranty' because their cars are cheap as shit and they want people to realize they have a good warranty.
Mercedes-Benz talks about all the features and quality of the car, to justify the marked up expensive cost.

So when Microsoft keeps talking about the 'value' of their console time and time again, it means they know their box is expensive and trying to get you to forget about it.
 
What's the point of these threads? What else do you expect a Microsoft executive to say? "We know we're a worse deal than our closest competitor, Kinect is a piece of trash, and you should go buy a PS4?" Of course he's not going to say that, even if he thinks it.

A businessman saying he thinks his company is offering a better bang for your buck than his competitor is just common sense, especially when his product is more expensive. Not worth the outrage.
 
I'm assuming this is their standard response now. I think Penello said the exact same thing, damn near word for word.
 
As a gamer? Naw, they don't. Not with weaker hardware for more money. Get rid of that Kinect, then we might get somewhere with your value proposition.
 
VRMN said:
What's the point of these threads? What else do you expect a Microsoft executive to say? "We know we're a worse deal than our closest competitor, Kinect is a piece of trash, and you should go buy a PS4?" Of course he's not going to say that, even if he thinks it.

A businessman saying he thinks his company is offering a better bang for your buck than his competitor is just common sense, especially when his product is more expensive. Not worth the outrage.
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Well, we are consumers so we should rightfully see this and make fun of them, right? Unless you are a weirdo to get upset at people making fun of an asshole marketer? Yeah.
 
I do personally find the X1 to be better value. My family loves motion gaming (both the kids and when the wife has friends over), almost all my console gaming is fps multiplayer gaming (I have a htpc for the occasional single player or indie gaming). I also love sports. I realize I don't represent the average launch buying gamer, but I do think there are a lot of people like me that would purchase at a lower price point.
 
VRMN said:
What's the point of these threads? What else do you expect a Microsoft executive to say? "We know we're a worse deal than our closest competitor, Kinect is a piece of trash, and you should go buy a PS4?" Of course he's not going to say that, even if he thinks it.

A businessman saying he thinks his company is offering a better bang for your buck than his competitor is just common sense, especially when his product is more expensive. Not worth the outrage.
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It's not like the thread is brimming with the Xbox disciples. Look around. That's why it's news! A chance to shit is a chance to shit, even if you have to force a pebble out.
 
I dont care about kinect ..fool me once. So no just no lol
xbox one has the weaker hardware and it actually needs to be cheaper than the ps4 not the
same price or even more expensive lol
 
He also cited the fact that the Xbox One won more awards at this year’s E3 video game conference than Sony and Nintendo combined.
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I love how MS brag about E3 awards, even though most of it comes from Titanfall. What's even worse is that they even include awards like "Best PC game" that has nothing to do with XBox.
 
Wow at all of the anti kinect comments. None of you have even used the thing, and you're already shitting on it without even waiting to see how it turns out.

Also, the guy is doing his job. I don't understand the vitriolic reaction to MS employees spitting game about its own product. If this were yosp, or cerny, you'd all be fawning all over this thread.
 
hwy_61 said:
Wow at all of the anti kinect comments. None of you have even used the thing, and you're already shitting on it without even waiting to see how it turns out.

Also, the guy is doing his job. I don't understand the vitriolic reaction to MS employees spitting game about its own product. If this were yosp, or cerny, you'd all be like fawning all over this thread.
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Given how many developers we have here, I'd say a fair amount DO know.

The difference is Yosp and Cerny give concrete definitive answers. This guy is just saying "Xbox so awesome. It's worth the money." There was nothing to be gained from reading the article.

Heck, it'd be more convincing if they launched with a nice game to USE the Kinect. Instead you have Ryse that LOST Kinect functionality and Rare's Sports game won't be out for another 6 months.

That leaves two functions for the Kinect. It's a $100 microphone and auto-account-logger-inner.
 
It would be nice if Kinect actually was "a huge piece of differentiation". Starting with some actual content.
 
hwy_61 said:
Wow at all of the anti kinect comments. None of you have even used the thing, and you're already shitting on it without even waiting to see how it turns out.

Also, the guy is doing his job. I don't understand the vitriolic reaction to MS employees spitting game about its own product. If this were yosp, or cerny, you'd all be fawning all over this thread.
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Aw, this is where you get hit with the persecution complex jab. Good luck!
 
Derrick01 said:
They're coming off a huge 4 year gap of barely putting out games on their previous console.

I know I'm sounding like a broken record with that but it really is why almost no one takes anything MS says they're going to do when it comes to games at face value, and why they get bashed endlessly any time they talk about apps/tv/kinect.
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if you enjoy their main franchises then they didn't stop putting out games. I can see why someone who doesn't like Gears, Halo, or Forza may say something like this...but honestly i would rather have Uncharted games every year than what Sony was putting out. It really just depends on what types of games appeal to you.
 
hwy_61 said:
Wow at all of the anti kinect comments. None of you have even used the thing, and you're already shitting on it without even waiting to see how it turns out.

Also, the guy is doing his job. I don't understand the vitriolic reaction to MS employees spitting game about its own product. If this were yosp, or cerny, you'd all be fawning all over this thread.
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I gives zero fuck about motion control videogames. An entire generation produced nothing I wanted to play that wouldn't have been better with a controller. I see no reason to look forward to something that's had an entire generation to get games and the best any developer comes up with are dance and exercise games. It's not on the consumer to be optimistic, it's on the company to show me why their product is worth my money. So far, MS is failing horribly.
 
If he is correct and they have a better value, then MS is doing a HORRIBLE job of explaining it to people. I know it is anecdotal, but my local target is getting 10 launch systems in their allotment, and they've only sold 2.

I teach middle school and the students look at being a pre-purchaser of XboxOne as being a huge mistake and some even still mistakenly believe the 24 hour check-in hasn't been removed.

I'll have mine on day one, but MS has to make some big splashes in public relations to steer this boat away from the multitude of icebergs they've steered it into.
 
hwy_61 said:
Wow at all of the anti kinect comments. None of you have even used the thing, and you're already shitting on it without even waiting to see how it turns out.

Also, the guy is doing his job. I don't understand the vitriolic reaction to MS employees spitting game about its own product. If this were yosp, or cerny, you'd all be fawning all over this thread.
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I'm curious, with input lag and no buttons what kind of games do you think Kinect 2.0 will have? Take a look at the existing Kinect 1.0 library.
 
Yeah, Yusuf is probably the worst person in the division. Seriously.

He doesn't even play games. It's obvious.
 
Neuromancer said:
Yep I bet there's an internal list of talking points for these interviews.
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Highlights the difference between Sony and MS, I think. One only puts out corporate speak while the other usually has something interesting or concrete to say. That Mehdi feels the need to trot out the phrase 'value proposition' is an example of this. The product should sell itself if you've done your job right. I'm really not surprised that Microsoft has such a hard time getting the right message across if this is the guy responsible for such a thing.

If Kinect was worth the extra $$$ there would be no need for hand waiving or 'value propositions.' It would be the way the XBO is, with Sony forced to explain why they didn't go down that path, rather than the opposite we see now.

tl;dr Kinect doesn't add 'value' for most people, Microsoft fails to understand.
 
model13 said:
I do personally find the X1 to be better value. My family loves motion gaming (both the kids and when the wife has friends over), almost all my console gaming is fps multiplayer gaming (I have a htpc for the occasional single player or indie gaming). I also love sports. I realize I don't represent the average launch buying gamer, but I do think there are a lot of people like me that would purchase at a lower price point.
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But that's the rub, isn't it? I'm not like you in that I'm not buying a console to appease a household (Though my fiancé was somewhat creeped out by the always-on Kinect), nor am I invested enough in sports to pay for a cable package to make the sports offerings usable.

BUT, if the console was at a lower price point, even I'd be interested. The price and the value; they're just not going to line up for a lot of people. Even as you've said, people with your interests might be very willing *if* the price was lower. I really think the price is going to be a big factor. I'm definitely expecting a price drop to drive the entertainment and casual/Kinect focused purchasers. How soon is my only question.
 
model13 said:
I do personally find the X1 to be better value. My family loves motion gaming (both the kids and when the wife has friends over), almost all my console gaming is fps multiplayer gaming (I have a htpc for the occasional single player or indie gaming). I also love sports. I realize I don't represent the average launch buying gamer, but I do think there are a lot of people like me that would purchase at a lower price point.
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A lower price point would absolutely increase interest and sales. It's not as though making it cheaper will dissuade most people from buying it - except rich-elitist snob gamers.

The motion controls are great for people that don't usually play video games and they lessen the stigma associated with gaming as an activity; motion dance games are fantastic at this. They're also good for group or party situations by eliminating the awkwardness for the uninitiated.

More power to you and your family if the Xbox One is where you see the value. I don't think most people see anything wrong with that stance even if it's not their preference, myself included.
 
majorscud said:
If he is correct and they have a better value, then MS is doing a HORRIBLE job of explaining it to people. I know it is anecdotal, but my local target is getting 10 launch systems in their allotment, and they've only sold 2.

I teach middle school and the students look at being a pre-purchaser of XboxOne as being a huge mistake and some even still mistakenly believe the 24 hour check-in hasn't been removed.

I'll have mine on day one, but MS has to make some big splashes in public relations to steer this boat away from the multitude of icebergs they've steered it into.
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The 24 hour check in went mainstream extremely quickly. It is going to a take a very long time before the masses know anything has changed. Most of my friends don't pay very close attention to gaming news, but they found out about the 24 hour check in within a day or two of it being announced. Those that know that it has been reversed only know so because I specifically told them. MS has an uphill battle in getting people informed on the changes, as good news travels much slower than bad news.
 
The PS4 Camera is what, $60? A year of PS+ is also $60?

For $520, $20 more than the base price of the XBO, I get the motion gimmick games, PS+'s free games every month, access to MP, and all my subscription services.

For $500 for the XBO, I get a box that puts everything, including services I already pay for behind a paywall, inferior hardware, and the glorious motion gimmick garbage.

How is the XBO a value proposition again? That's assuming you want to even bother paying for a PS4 camera and PS+. You could get a game and a year of PS+ for $20 more than a gaameless, serviceless XBO.
 
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