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AMD Ryzen 7000 Zen4 CPUs Prices Remain Unchanged From Ryzen 5000 Zen 3 Lineup

Possible launch SEP pricing of AMD's Ryzen 7000 series "Zen 4" desktop processors leaked by Wccftech. Prices appear identical to Ryzen 5000 "Zen 3" at launch. ...
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AMD Ryzen 5000
AMD Ryzen 7000
Cores / ThreadsBase/Boost ClockTDPCache (L2+L3)Launch Price(USD)
Alledged AMD Ryzen 7000 Specifications
Ryzen 9 7950X16C/32T4.5/5.7 GHz170W80MB (16+64)799 USD
Ryzen 9 7900X12C/24T4.7/5.6 GHz170W76MB (12+64)549 USD
Ryzen 7 7700X8C/16T4.5/5.4 GHz105W40MB (8+32)449 USD
Ryzen 5 7600X6C/12T4.7/5.3 GHz105W38MB (6+32)299 USD
Ryzen 9 5950X16C/32T3.4/4.9 GHz105W72MB (8+64)799 USD
Ryzen 9 5900X12C/24T3.7/4.8 GHz105W70MB (4+64)549 USD
Ryzen 7 5800X3D8C/16T3.4/4.5 GHz105W100MB (4+96)449 USD
Ryzen 7 5800X8C/16T3.8/4.7 GHz105W36MB (4+32)449 USD
Ryzen 7 5700X8C/16T3.4/4.6 GHz65W36MB (4+32)299 USD
Ryzen 5 5600X6C/12T3.7/4.6 GHz65W35MB (3+32)299 USD
 
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TDP is reasonable, but will need to see benchmarks to know if it's going to to be worthy update from my 3950x. Because now it's with buying a new MOBO. Which would probably cost same as the high-end CPU....
 
Heh. I'm on a Ryzen 5 3600. What would be the most sensible jump in terms of upgrading to CPU that's also reasonable in pricing?
 
saintjules said:
Heh. I'm on a Ryzen 5 3600. What would be the most sensible jump in terms of upgrading to CPU that's also reasonable in pricing?
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There are rumors that AMD will announce price cuts to the 5800X3D. And that they will also announce new models with 3D vcache.
If true, these could be a great upgrade for someone with Zen2.

 
Tripolygon said:
What time to be alive. CPU hitting 6GHz and GPU about to cross 3GHz.
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Is this supposed to be a joke?

In the decade from 1990-2000 CPU clock speeds increased by roughly a factor of 30 (50 MHz to 1.5 GHz).

In the 22 years since, they increased by a factor of….4.

Back in 2004 Intel showed a 4 GHz Pentium 4 and predicted the architecture would scale up to 8-10 GHz.

Sorry man, of all the things you could say "what a time to be alive!" about… clock speed is not one of them. If anything that is the most disappointing thing, by far.
 
winjer said:
There are rumors that AMD will announce price cuts to the 5800X3D. And that they will also announce new models with 3D vcache.
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I'm really hoping for the final breadth of the AM4 socket to be a 5950X3D. It's a 16-core CPU whose multithreaded performance was always bottlenecked by memory badwidth and the large L3 cache could bring an enormous advantage to it.
 
ohhh before RaptorLake.

Good for them, they can compare their new CPUs to Intels AlderLake weeks before Intels RaptorLake comes out and completely changes graphs again.


I do hope the leaked prices are false.

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If we assume that the 6+8C 13600K launches around $300-350 I think $299 6C 7600X and $449 8C 7700X will be a hard sell to gamers. From what we've seen of leaked benchmarks Raptor Lake should be slightly ahead in ST/gaming performance but MT perf will be way ahead thanks to E-cores. But I guess there just no incentive to price anything lower when they can just sell Zen4 chiplets in the server space.

Maybe if you want AVX512 for PS3 emulation?

Now Zen4X3D on the other hand will be an absolute monster gaming CPU because this time around you'll have both ST perf and large L3 cache but it'll certainly be priced accordingly.
 
New tech is always exciting. Looking forward to this.

If a raptor lake cpu will drop into my z690 maximus hero without issue and isn't as hot as shit ill grab one but I hope AMD are pushing the gaming performance with 7000 series.
 
DonkeyPunchJr said:
Sorry man, of all the things you could say "what a time to be alive!" about… clock speed is not one of them. If anything that is the most disappointing thing, by far.
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You can be disappointed, and you don't need to be sorry. I'm however excited we are finally crossing that threshold. I remember piledriver was supposed to be stable at 5GHz but that wasn't the best architecture performance-wise. 5GHz is about to become the new base clock and that just amazing and exciting to me.
 
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b0uncyfr0 said:
Wait, these new zen4 chips dont have the 3D V-Cache tech.... Ehh, not cool AMD.

Id expect the entire zen4 lineup to use it.
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Yup, supposedly some V-Cache versions will come later on. I'm not expecting these initial 7000 CPUs to be very compelling for gaming compared to 5800X3D
 
They look good. I'm honestly more looking forward to lower power threshold whilst still being able to deliver the performance. My utility bills are going to be absolutely kicking my ass in the next few months!
 
DonkeyPunchJr said:
Yup, supposedly some V-Cache versions will come later on. I'm not expecting these initial 7000 CPUs to be very compelling for gaming compared to 5800X3D
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The 12900K with DDR5 can match the 5800X3D in heavily cpu dependent situations.

Zen 4 only comes with DDR5 so we can expect they will bench these chips with games that benefit from all that bandwidth.
In theory even the 7700X will be able to match the 5800X3D.

Zen4X3D will be an absolute gaming monster.

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Can't wait to see the new platform in action.

The upcoming 7700G is what interests me more, I want to see what kind of graphic oomph they can ship into this.
 
FStubbs said:
I wonder what they'll have in the laptop GPU space.
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This year (6000 ryzen series) was Zen 3+ with RDNA2 GPU's, last year (5000 ryzen series) had Zen 2 and 3 (depending on the model) with GCN5 GPU's.

I think they'll have zen4 with the same RDNA2 GPU's, no improvement on GPU.
 
lostinblue said:
This year (6000 ryzen series) was Zen 3+ with RDNA2 GPU's, last year (5000 ryzen series) had Zen 2 and 3 (depending on the model) with GCN5 GPU's.

I think they'll have zen4 with the same RDNA2 GPU's, no improvement on GPU.
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No. AMD's roadmap is still set for releasing RDNA3 this year.
In fact, there is a good chance we'll also see it during today's presentation.

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Black_Stride said:
The 12900K with DDR5 can match the 5800X3D in heavily cpu dependent situations.

Zen 4 only comes with DDR5 so we can expect they will bench these chips with games that benefit from all that bandwidth.
In theory even the 7700X will be able to match the 5800X3D.

Zen4X3D will be an absolute gaming monster.

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Are there many games that are really bandwidth limited? I thought latency was generally way more important for gaming.

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DDR4 vs. DDR5 on Intel Core i9-12900K Alder Lake Review

The Intel Alder Lake platform has support for both DDR5 and DDR4 memory. We ran 38 application benchmarks and 10 games at multiple DDR4 configurations to learn what performance to expect when using DDR4 vs. DDR5 on 12th Gen, and whether there's a point at which DDR4 performance can beat the much...
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12900k w/ DDR5 6000 MHz CL36 is a whopping 0.9% faster than DDR4 3600 MHz CL16, on average at 1080p.
 
winjer said:
No. AMD's roadmap is still set for releasing RDNA3 this year.
In fact, there is a good chance we'll also see it during today's presentation.

GPU_Roadmap_Master_678x452.png
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Hey Winjer, I meant integrated on the Zen4 CPU's that have a embedded GPU.

If 7000 mobile and desktop ship with RDNA3 it that might be an insane year to purchase. The only thorn on AMD side is lack of DDR4 support for "poor people".
 
Xyphie said:
If we assume that the 6+8C 13600K launches around $300-350 I think $299 6C 7600X and $449 8C 7700X will be a hard sell to gamers.
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I don't think many people are expecting Raptor Lake to not bring a substantial price increase across the board, considering the fact that they announced price increases of up to 20% during July's earnings conference.
 
lostinblue said:
Hey Winjer, I meant integrated on the Zen4 CPU's that have a embedded GPU.

If 7000 mobile and desktop ship with RDNA3 it that might be an insane year to purchase. The only thorn on AMD side is lack of DDR4 support for "poor people".
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AMD said they plan to move their APU's much faster into RDNA3.
 
ToTTenTranz said:
I don't think many people are expecting Raptor Lake to not bring a substantial price increase across the board, considering the fact that they announced price increases of up to 20% during July's earnings conference.
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Intel is sensitive to competition, I think that'll curb their price hikes a little when it comes to entry point and mid-range.

But not on flagships.
DonkeyPunchJr said:
Are there many games that are really bandwidth limited? I thought latency was generally way more important for gaming.

12900k w/ DDR5 6000 MHz CL36 is a whopping 0.9% faster than DDR4 3600 MHz CL16, on average at 1080p.
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Not usually limited, but we're seeing a trend where it's starting to happen.

When DDR5 becomes readily available it's likely that more games make use of that extra bandwidth and suffer without it.
Bruno_Arrais85 said:
finally time to replace my ancient 7700K
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please replace it with an 7700X :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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Just going to sit back with my 3600 and watch how things unfold.

Either I'll give my AM4 one last hurrah with the 5800X3D, or I'll go all in on AM5.
 
My body, mind and soul is ready. Inject the tech into my veins, bruh. Hoping Su bae got some heat to show. Then hoping Project Pat got some heat coming from the Intel Show late September.
 
lostinblue said:
Intel is sensitive to competition, I think that'll curb their price hikes a little when it comes to entry point and mid-range.

But not on flagships.
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Maybe that's true for the high-margin flagships, but I quoted a post that mentioned the i5 13600K which isn't a flagship.


SmokedMeat said:
Just going to sit back with my 3600 and watch how things unfold.

Either I'll give my AM4 one last hurrah with the 5800X3D, or I'll go all in on AM5.
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Or if there's a 5950X3D you could have next-gen performance without having to buy+build another motherboard and RAM setup.
 
DonkeyPunchJr said:
Are there many games that are really bandwidth limited? I thought latency was generally way more important for gaming.

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DDR4 vs. DDR5 on Intel Core i9-12900K Alder Lake Review

The Intel Alder Lake platform has support for both DDR5 and DDR4 memory. We ran 38 application benchmarks and 10 games at multiple DDR4 configurations to learn what performance to expect when using DDR4 vs. DDR5 on 12th Gen, and whether there's a point at which DDR4 performance can beat the much...
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12900k w/ DDR5 6000 MHz CL36 is a whopping 0.9% faster than DDR4 3600 MHz CL16, on average at 1080p.
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Right now there are few games that actually need that high bandwidth.
But as Spiderman showed it clearly will become advantageous to have DDR5 in time.
Likely why AMD decided to just lock in for DDR5, im assuming they are planning on having AM5 socket last a while.

I legit didnt expect to see even a single mainstream game that performed substantially better with DDR5 before MeteorLake

Im almost glad that it happened so soon.......only slightly sad cuz I banked on DDR4 for AlderLake and RaptorLake.
Im doing a motherboard swap for ArrowLake anyway so I guess ill just have stomach the DDR4 bottleneck till then.
 
Any viable upgrade options to consider coming from a Ryzen 3600 that seems to hit its limit in some games like Cyberpunk? Shouldn't be too fancy though since most games are GPU bound and I mostly play at 60fps.
 
Filben said:
Any viable upgrade options to consider coming from a Ryzen 3600 that seems to hit its limit in some games like Cyberpunk? Shouldn't be too fancy though since most games are GPU bound and I mostly play at 60fps.
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Literally every chip AMD has released since.

Ryzen 5600X a massive gain.
Ryzen 5800X3D if all you do is game its properly generational.
^The above chips use DDR4 and will slot into your current Motherboard.


Ryzen 7700X will require a new motherboard, but will likely last you the entirety of the generation easy work.

And if AMD commit to AM5 a 7600 or 7700X will be a good investment cuz youll be able to keep the motherboard and plop in new CPUs for however long AM5 lasts, youll already be on DDR5.
 
I plan to ride things out on AM4 and that's why I bought my 5800X3D which I plan to use for the next few years. AM5 is a new socket they requires expensive new DDR5 on a new expensive motherboard so I won't be in a hurry to upgrade for awhile.
 
If they launch 6 Cores and 8 Cores at $299/$449 like last time then that is too high.

Intel will likely have 6+8 and 8+8 Core CPUs at a similar price to that a month later.
 
Black_Stride said:
But as Spiderman showed it clearly will become advantageous to have DDR5 in time.
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DDR5 or cache. People forget 5800X3D also performs much better than vanilla 5800X in that graph.

Upcoming Intel chips are bumping the cache massively as well, and that is either bound to increase the difference yet again (if it'still a bottleneck) or offset the DDR5 advantage a little. We'll see when Raptor Lake launches and people test it with DDR4.

As the screenshot will confirm, Each Raptor Cove P performance core has 2 MB of dedicated L2 cache, up from 1.25 MB on Alder Lake-S Gracemont has 16 E-cores in 4 clusters, while "Alder Lake-S" has 8 in 2 clusters. Each cluster's four cores share L2 cache. Intel quadrupled "Alder Lake" L2 cache from 2 MB to 4 MB. The chip's shared L3 cache is now 36 MB. Eight 2 MB P-cores and four 4 MB E-core clusters total 32 MB L2 cache. L2+L3 cache is 68 MB.
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Source: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/i...onfirmed-through-leaked-cpu-z-screenshot.html

Black_Stride said:
Likely why AMD decided to just lock in for DDR5, im assuming they are planning on having AM5 socket last a while.
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They didn't decide to lock it for that, they thought DDR5 would replace DDR4 in the way DDR4 replaced DDR3 without any meaningful price difference and then it was just too late.

Processors or northbridges/chipset (I don't know which controls the RAM supported by the system) don't have the registers for DDR4 and they'll have to launch as is. I have no doubt they would support DDR4 if they could.
Leonidas said:
If they launch 6 Cores and 8 Cores at $299/$449 like last time then that is too high.

Intel will likely have 6+8 and 8+8 Core CPUs at a similar price to that a month later.
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Yes and no.

Not all cores are made equal, intel e-cores are designed so a 8-core cluster performs as well as a Skylake 6600K (a quad core design). It's useful to offload background tasks and increase energy efficiency if the computer is idling and it's still performant enough that it helps total performance, but... One should see it as free performance while their heavy hitters are still the conventional p-cores.

I'm sure AMD will compete with intel 6-core chips plus the helper Atoms with similarly priced 8-core designs. And these extra cores will be advantageous for at least some tasks, like the ones that require the AVX512 that intel nuked due to the atoms not supporting.

I also hope AMD makes 10 and 12 core CPU's at some point, perhaps with faulty CCX chiplets.
 
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Black_Stride said:
Right now there are few games that actually need that high bandwidth.
But as Spiderman showed it clearly will become advantageous to have DDR5 in time.
Likely why AMD decided to just lock in for DDR5, im assuming they are planning on having AM5 socket last a while.

I legit didnt expect to see even a single mainstream game that performed substantially better with DDR5 before MeteorLake

Im almost glad that it happened so soon.......only slightly sad cuz I banked on DDR4 for AlderLake and RaptorLake.
Im doing a motherboard swap for ArrowLake anyway so I guess ill just have stomach the DDR4 bottleneck till then.
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I'm skeptical. I think the switch to DDR5 is primarily because it's the new standard, and secondarily because the bandwidth is useful for non-gaming applications. I don't think gaming-related bandwidth demand is driving this at all. (In other words, just like how it went with the past few DDR standards)

Also skeptical about the "if you build it, they will come" idea. I can't remember a time in the last ~15 years when main memory bandwidth really mattered for gaming. (Remember when Intel ditched triple-channel memory in favor of dual channel with Sandy Bridge back in 2011?) I'm not expecting devs to be like "wow we finally have all this bandwidth, now there's all these new things we can do!!"

Anyway we'll see! I too am somewhat surprised to see Spider-Man get that much of a boost.
 
DonkeyPunchJr said:
Is this supposed to be a joke?

In the decade from 1990-2000 CPU clock speeds increased by roughly a factor of 30 (50 MHz to 1.5 GHz).

In the 22 years since, they increased by a factor of….4.

Back in 2004 Intel showed a 4 GHz Pentium 4 and predicted the architecture would scale up to 8-10 GHz.

Sorry man, of all the things you could say "what a time to be alive!" about… clock speed is not one of them. If anything that is the most disappointing thing, by far.
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We will probably have the same clock speeds for the next 20 years, until we move away from silicon onto granphene.
 
I want to see next gen PC games and then decide on the HW. All this tech to run a port of a ps4 game that ran on Atom like cores seems like a waste. Can't believe I am still fine with an FX 6300...

By 2014 you knew that something like an FX 8320 - 7950 and 8 GB of ram would be a decent gaming PC that would last you the whole generation running next gen games.

I don't think we know that for 9th gen games yet. Next gen only AAA games are few and far between. I'll wait until Starfield and Forza 8 are released to build a new rig from scratch.
 
DonkeyPunchJr said:
Back in 2004 Intel showed a 4 GHz Pentium 4 and predicted the architecture would scale up to 8-10 GHz.

Sorry man, of all the things you could say "what a time to be alive!" about… clock speed is not one of them. If anything that is the most disappointing thing, by far.
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Processors could be designed with high frequencies in mind, like the Pentium 4 was, it's just that like the Pentium 4, more MHz don't amount to better performance against more compact designs due to the concessions you have to do to get there.
Drew1440 said:
We will probably have the same clock speeds for the next 20 years, until we move away from silicon onto granphene.
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Fine with me, keep the IPC improvements coming and give me more cores.

This said, I wouldn't be surprised to see enthusiast chips starting to use liquid metal beneath their shims and gaining a few MHz there.
 
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