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[Anticitizen One]

Yeah, I'm baffled by that too.

"Oh, he killed 77 people in a brutal rampage, but let's not let him rot in prison forever...that's too harsh! He should be free after 21 years!"

What the hell.

Thats what happens when you live in a european liberal utopia that doesn't believe in the death penalty.

 

[Eppy Thatcher]

Yea... fuck this asshole. yank his electronics out and give him a selection of books. End of godamn story. Amazing he has access to a ps2...

"You are killing me..."

says the mass murderer. Urge to kill rising.

 

[Netherscourge]

Send him a Nintendo 64 with Superman 64 and an old PC with Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing.

That should be enough for him to hang himself.

 

[Dan]

Sure, give him a PS3. Only include games like Flower, Journey, and Proteus.

 

[fantomena]

Michael Moore is part of the problem.

How? I don't know much about Moore other than that video.

 

[GrayFoxPL]

I'll have you know that Norway is still a civilised country.

With very civilized mass murderer that for a punishment got an apartment where he plays video games and whines about luxuries.

Seriously Norway, get a grip and pull the weed.

 

[Sakura]

The guy's prison is too cushy as it is. I can't believe tax payer dollars are used to provide people like him video games.

 

[oneils]

If other humans have the right, it becomes a human rights issue, at least in Norway. Just because he ended the lives of 77 humans doesn't revoke his human rights.

Solitary confinement is certainly justifiable because of the gravity of the crime and the potential of the convicted influencing other inmates, but it must still be executed humanely.

if Norway wants to remain steadfast about its policies regarding humane treatment and rehabilitation of inmates it must not allow vindictiveness to crack the very core of these ideals. With that said, because this deals with entertainment, which is not a human necessity, this seems to be more of a civil rights issue than a human rights one.

Breivik receiving the games and treatment he is describing is certainly justifiable if his psychiatrist feels they are what's needed, but if this treatment is coming from angry COs trying to eke out a small measure of revenge, then it is a civil rights issue.

would any sane judge in norway actually entertain a case such as this? Or would they simply dismiss the complaint? I can't really believe that the justice system in norway would spend any more time on this complaint than the time it takes to read brevik's letter.

 

[TheOGB]

That's incredibly fucked up but I couldn't stop laughing from the moment they mentioned MW2

Give him an OG Xbox

Spoiler

to the head

 

[Barack Lesnar]

Is this real life? I had to read that article a couple times over to let it sink in.

 

[Piggus]

So what would you do?

I wouldn't give him luxuries like a fucking PlayStation that many free people can't even afford in many parts of the world. I wouldn't give him any ability to communicate his sick messages to the general public. All he wants is a voice and I would completely strip that from him. The world should forget about this guy and headlines like this only go against that. I'm not saying he should be treated like an animal but having luxuries like a PS2 is not a basic human right.

 

[Broder Salsa]

21 years for killing 77 people , wtf?

For the love of God... Why does this have to be explained in every thread?

 

[Ozzykamikaze]

I think they should release him. I'd be willing to bet that at least 1/77 family members (probably way more) would be able to concoct a suitable punishment for him.

 

[Barzul]

Dunno if anyone else has said it, but if this was America, he'd be dead. Not sure how he managed to swing 21 years.

 

[GalacticaN7]

An Atari with E.T....and make him find the ending.

21 years......77 killed, smh. What do they do with him when he's let out? Does Norway have probation, or does he just get to re acclimate into society? Though I doubt he'll survive long out of prison.

 

[Kurtofan]

Dunno if anyone else has said it, but if this was America, he'd be dead. Not sure how he managed to swing 21 years.

Blargh he's not doing 21 years, that's just the maximum sentence possible.

 

[oneils]

Dunno if anyone else has said it, but if this was America, he'd be dead. Not sure how he managed to swing 21 years.

he wouldn't be dead. Not yet, anyway. Probably be on death row for 20 years while the case goes through appeals. In that time, who knows, the death penalty may be banned.

 

[lordchompy]

would any sane judge in norway actually entertain a case such as this? Or would they simply dismiss the complaint? I can't really believe that the justice system in norway would spend any more time on this complaint than the time it takes to read brevik's letter.

Depends on if they are willing to take the flak for interpreting the law correctly at the expense of public opinion. If prisoners have access to PS3, for example, with good behavior, and Breivik does not, even though he shows good behavior, then the can make a strong case.

Whether any judge will hear it or not is a different matter all together, as you say.

What I'm wondering is, do inmates actually have PS3s in their cells, or is Breivik complaining for nothing?

 

[Barack Lesnar]

he wouldn't be dead. Not yet, anyway. Probably be on death row for 20 years while the case goes through appeals. In that time, who knows, the death penalty may be banned.

Yup, I was gonna reply with that. He'd be on death row for like 10-15 years. I'm for the death penalty but they really need to make that whole judicial process more efficient.

 

[doemaaan]

Only 21 years?

Why the hell did it take 22 posts for this to come up???

 

[kick51]

executing him while he's still smug about it doesn't seem like the right move.

life in prison seems like a fate worse than death if you're in a restrictive, shitty enough prison. It's just gonna be hard to find the balance between torturous and rehabilitative.

But how about for starters, no video games and taking away his public voice, norway, ya dummies

 

[Lé Blade Runner]

Nothing is going to bring those 77 souls back. I certainly agree with Amir0x here - it is the right and humane thing to do to treat inmates with basic dignity, no matter what their crimes were. Breivik will probably never see freedom again, as he is clearly unstable, and broken beyond repair. If there is even a small chance that he'd kill again, he won't be set free.

I just hope that the rest of the world forgets his name and face someday. He doesn't need or deserve recognition. If he gets a PS3 and 'adult games'... Who cares? Let him have those. But attention? Doesn't need it, doesn't deserve it.

 

[Waaghals]

An Atari with E.T....and make him find the ending.

21 years......77 killed, smh. What do they do with him when he's let out? Does Norway have probation, or does he just get to re acclimate into society? Though I doubt he'll survive long out of prison.

Let him out? In 21 years he's up for review. Then the sentence can be extended until they determine that he's no longer a danger to himself or others, essentially forever.

 

[oneils]

Depends on if they are willing to take the flak for interpreting the law correctly at the expense of public opinion. If prisoners have access to PS3, for example, with good behavior, and Breivik does not, even though he shows good behavior, then the can make a strong case.

Whether any judge will hear it or not is a different matter all together, as you say.

What I'm wondering is, do inmates actually have PS3s in their cells, or is Breivik complaining for nothing?

I would think the state can make a convincing argument that a games console is a games console and that brevik has the same amenities as everyone else (assuming some of the other prisoners have access to a ps 3). I doubt a judge is about to get into a debate over whether prisoners should have access to the same generation console.

lol, this is such a weird back and forth!

 

[desbrisay]

Fine, let that fucker starve.

 

[DukeBobby]

Why the hell did it take 22 posts for this to come up???

It shouldn't have come up at all. It's been explained so many times in other threads.

 

[Roshin]

Only 21 years?

To start with. He's not going anywhere.

 

[kick51]

Why the hell did it take 22 posts for this to come up???

That's his sentence, but it can be extended. It's totally conditional.

Not a bad way to do sentencing, imho. It just doesn't sound as dramatic as "LIFE IN PRISON DUH NUH NUH!!!!" (that's how I would say it if I were the judge)

 

[Violet_0]

Why the hell did it take 22 posts for this to come up???

because this question has popped up for years and has been answered countless times, half a dozen times just in this very thread

 

[Gustav]

Can't believe you're allowed to have a console in prison.

 

[Rubius]

Really, he should be given a Wii or a Wii U and only kid friendly games. The point is to make him less violent, not to go "train" on shooters. I'm even surprised he have a right to a console given that he said he trained on video games.
You can really see the difference between American prison who are a punishing tool and the swedish jails who are a rehabilitation tool. In the USA, prisoners couldn't even play D&D because it allowed them to forget they were in jail.

 

[lordchompy]

I would think the state can make a convincing argument that a games console is a games console and that brevik has the same amenities as everyone else (assuming some of the other prisoners have access to a ps 3). I doubt a judge is about to get into a debate over whether prisoners should have access to the same generation console.

lol, this is such a weird back and forth!

If I were his attorney I'd argue that the type of amenity is not the core issue, him being discriminated against is.

Don't get me wrong, this guy should rot in jail and suffer because the chances of him being rehabilitated are slim. But if the law says otherwise I'd have to side with it rather than my personal bias.

If anything, let him play what he wants to play and study both his physiological responses to violent games, as well as his mental health and then publish a report about it. Everybody wins.

 

[SmokyDave]

Oh joy, a Breivik thread. Let's have lots of people with inferior prison systems take a shot at Norway.

Michael Moore is part of the problem. Do we really want our prisons to be like Norway's?

Yes, you do.

 

[wsippel]

Yup, I was gonna reply with that. He'd be on death row for like 10-15 years. I'm for the death penalty but they really need to make that whole judicial process more efficient.

Why? Death is always the easy way out. There is no hell or anything else waiting in the great beyond - the lights go out and that's it. You can only punish people while they're still alive. And you always have to take the possibility into account that the guy you consider guilty actually isn't. Happened more than once.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

Just sent him a PS4

Spoiler

with Knack

Then you also gave him Warframe, Blacklist, DCUO and some other stuff.

You have made a terrible mistake.

 

[Fallout-NL]

I don't know what the standard for 'relatively comfortable' is, but the point is that extreme harsh penalties are not actual deterrents to criminals who commit crimes of this magnitude (look how little good the death penalty does, statistics prove), and since that seems to be one of the only actual real-world reasons people seem to want to continue to do these things (outside of pure revenge), I'm not sure it's sound.

This guy is probably never going to get out of prison. But what would it say about a system that itself commits to cruelty against prisoners because they can't think of a good way to rehabilitate? Studies have been done on the astonishingly negative impact that long-term confinement in prison can have on ones mental state, to say nothing of solitary confinement. It destroys the human condition over the long term, no matter how frequently you can play Rayman Revolutions.

The issue then is to try to create an environment that minimizes the dehumanizing aspects as much as possible, while still providing society with a way to be safe from criminals. To that end, it doesn't matter how "comfortable" the prisoner is relatively speaking, because as long as society is safe from them, the most important goal is being met. After that it's about ensuring that in the event the prisoner is released, they can acclimate back into society... something that's incredibly difficult if the stigma follows them in job hunts, if they've been abused by a prison system that isolated them to such a degree they can no longer function in the real world. Prisoners need to be educated, guided as much as possible, provided with conditions that do the best as possible to fight the degrading mental effects of prison, and rehabilitation needs to be the central purpose. Because it directly relates to the health of society at large.

But let's be serious, even with conveniences like watching TV and playing videogames, it's not a hotel. Prisons are usually regimented, people have to go to bed at certain times, there's no real freedom. And the loss of freedom is in of itself the punishment.

Spoiler

Actually, I wanted to refer to that scene where he does a speech much like yours. I agree though btw.

 

[Popnbake]

Breivik calls himself a human rights activist and said that the prison system was treating him "worse than an animal.

The letter makes 12 demands including the right to communicate more freely with the public, the replacement of his PS2 with a PS3, access to more adult games and a sofa or armchair.

Lol.

"You've put me in hell ... and I won't manage to survive that long," he wrote. "You are killing me."

somebody send this man a wii u and funky barn STAT

There's murder and then there's torture.

 

[fantomena]

IIRC he and his lawyers made a deal that if they gave him a PC and a PS2 to him he would start talking.

 

[slit]

He thinks he's treated like an animal? Throw him into the U.S. prison system and let's see if he notices a difference.

 

[fantomena]

He thinks he's treated like an animal? Throw him into the U.S. prison system and let's see if he notices a difference.

Funnt thing is, he even complained before the attacks on Norwegian forums that the prison systems was to friendly to prisoners.

 

[lordchompy]

IIRC he and his lawyers made a deal that if they gave him a PC and a PS2 to him he would start talking.

According to the AFP piece, Breivik is currently using a typewriter, not a PC.

 

[GamingIsDead]

For those who haven't seen him. I recommend this Michael Moore video about the prison system in Norway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01mTKDaKa6Q



Before he got caught by the police on the island, he wanted to take suicide. If we kill him, he may get what he wanted.

Killing him will change out democracy, and that's excactly a part of what he wanted to accomplish.

Yet again who cares what he does or doesn't want. Nothing he says or does should even be considered with such a horrific crime after conviction. It's not even about the punishment at this point and more for about on how people will remember those that commit these acts.

 

[fantomena]

According to the AFP piece, Breivik is currently using a typewriter, not a PC.

Oh, looked like a PC to me.

 

[UtterlyPerplexed]

Well, at least he's suffering.

 

[Amir0x]

Spoiler

Actually, I wanted to refer to that scene where he does a speech much like yours. I agree though btw.

haha, good gif

I actually came around to this position fairly recently, within the last few years. As someone who was molested as a boy and whose mother suffered just indescribably at the hands of her own family growing up, I found myself frequently wishing extreme revenge on those who perpetrated those crimes. Until one day I started thinking about the system, what it mean, what true forgiveness entails. I desire to be better than the people we imprison, and I think we elevate society in doing so.

This guy is a joke and a half though. The only thing I say is that people need to stop reporting on the comments he makes like this, because that causes unnecessary burden on the victims families. They don't need to know about his comforts or whatever, it does no one any good.

 

[TurnipFritters]

Yup, I was gonna reply with that. He'd be on death row for like 10-15 years. I'm for the death penalty but they really need to make that whole judicial process more efficient.

I agree, they really need to make it easier for the government to kill people.

 

[Kibbles]

Why does he even have a PS2?....

This. How the fuck does he kill 77 people and get any type of video game system at all. The fuck?

 

[fantomena]

i just want the press to stop talking about him. When I heard this on the radio. I said to myself "Fuck, don't talk about him please".

 

[system11]

It makes me angry that society entertains this bullshit.

If you go and kill 70 people you've signed away your human rights, imprisoning someone indefinitely for doing so is nothing but a waste of time, space, food and money. Nobody is going to miss him, I'd just put a bolt through his head and be done with it.

It's not 'civilised' or 'progressive' or any such thing, it's just pointless and inefficient.

 

[slit]

Funnt thing is, he even complained before the attacks on Norwegian forums that the prison systems was to friendly to prisoners.

He probably wants attention more than a PS3. I say let him go on a hunger strike, nobody should give into his blackmail.