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[lordchompy]

Yet again who cares what he does or doesn't want. Nothing he says or does should even be considered with such a horrific crime after conviction. It's not even about the punishment at this point and more for about on how people will remember those that commit these acts.

This issue is all about the punishment. Breivik killed those people with a purpose, and that purpose was not just to watch them suffer; he wants to re-shape society in Norway to match his own twisted ideals.

I know it may seem a petty comparison, but Norway letting him live out his life in what an average American would consider comfort, and not killing him, is analogous to Batman refusing to kill Joker, which would prove that murder and inhumane treatment is justifiable in certain cases. Here in the States this sounds like crazy talk, but it's different in Norway and elsewhere.

It is a matter of principle, not simply justice for the victims and their families, and it's a very difficult principle to see through by any individual, let alone a nation.

But anyway, so yeah, video games.

 

[BajiBoxer]

Why the hell did it take 22 posts for this to come up???

Because by now most people who are somewhat informed about this case understand that it is extremely unlikely to be only 21 years. Hell, it was explained in the first page. It's been explained multiple times throughout the thread. Polygon (and any media that writes about this guy) really should explain how this works so less people are immediately confused and outraged.

 

[Broder Salsa]

He probably wants attention more than a PS3. I say let him go on a hunger strike, good riddance.

Well he played a lot of WoW before, so he probably actually does want to play some video games.

It makes me angry that society entertains this bullshit.

If you go and kill 70 people you've signed away your human rights, imprisoning someone indefinitely for doing so is nothing but a waste of time, space, food and money. Nobody is going to miss him, I'd just put a bolt through his head and be done with it.

It's not 'civilised' or 'progressive' or any such thing, it's just pointless and inefficient.

No you have not signed away your human rights. That's why they're called human rights.

Good thing the big majority of the Norwegian people disagree with you, you're welcome to say they are wrong but it works out pretty well for them so far and they don't seem to mind.

I however agree that it's a bit shitty that we get entertainment out of news like this and keep letting him be relevant.

 

[striferser]

The only adult game he deserve is Custer Revenge.
Fuck that guy.
Why the fuck does he whine when they already gave him PS2?

 

[Fred-87]

Michael Moore is part of the problem. Do we really want our prisons to be like Norway's?

Yes you do. Imagine you are ordered to keep a wild animal locked in your home for 5 years. The animal cant be released outside for the whole of 5 years. Would you try to tame him. Or let him inside a little cage with no attention? If you do the last thing, when the 5 years are over he will be a beast when you release him. And a trouble for society Same with prisoners its better to rehabilitate then to dehumanize a person. In America crime is much higher then in countries like Norway, Belgium etc.

However you need to find a middle ground between the people who lost the lifes because of that guy and because of the criminal itself. Therefore i think you should not give the guy a voice so the victims keep having to see him in the news.

 

[shinobi602]

Torture him with this

 

[legacyzero]

Fine. Don't eat.

 

[kick51]

give him Gitaroo-Man, then he can play it become happy while helping U-1 and Puma score Pico and save the universe. He'll eventually realize he was actually Zowie, who became mad with lust for power on his search to find the 8 legendary Gitaroos. then he'll kill himself by bashing his head into a wall of a cell over and over.

 

[TurnipFritters]

It makes me angry that society entertains this bullshit.

If you go and kill 70 people you've signed away your human rights, imprisoning someone indefinitely for doing so is nothing but a waste of time, space, food and money. Nobody is going to miss him, I'd just put a bolt through his head and be done with it.

It's not 'civilised' or 'progressive' or any such thing, it's just pointless and inefficient.

Agreed. The people of Norway should disregard the laws they have collectively agreed upon to satisfy your personal bloodlust.

 

[Broder Salsa]

Torture him with this

Pls. It's supposed to be a prison, not the best time in his life.

 

[Roto13]

If you go and kill 70 people you've signed away your human rights,

You really don't know what human rights are, do you?

 

[Iksenpets]

Strap him into a Virtual Boy for the rest of his life.

 

[Gormless Noodle]

haha, good gif

I actually came around to this position fairly recently, within the last few years. As someone who was molested as a boy and whose mother suffered just indescribably at the hands of her own family growing up, I found myself frequently wishing extreme revenge on those who perpetrated those crimes. Until one day I started thinking about the system, what it mean, what true forgiveness entails. I desire to be better than the people we imprison, and I think we elevate society in doing so.

This guy is a joke and a half though. The only thing I say is that people need to stop reporting on the comments he makes like this, because that causes unnecessary burden on the victims families. They don't need to know about his comforts or whatever, it does no one any good.

And what answer did you find on what true forgiveness is? If I may ask that is.

 

[Deprive]

There was really a Bugsy 3D...

Thought I dreamed that shit :|

 

[Yaoibot]

It makes me angry that society entertains this bullshit.

If you go and kill 70 people you've signed away your human rights, imprisoning someone indefinitely for doing so is nothing but a waste of time, space, food and money. Nobody is going to miss him, I'd just put a bolt through his head and be done with it.

It's not 'civilised' or 'progressive' or any such thing, it's just pointless and inefficient.

Rutheless, but in this specific case I wholly agree. I think there is a great deal of pandering to pathos in this thread along with some handclapping for the "humane containmemt" of inhumane monsters. Who does that practice serve? Why do we assume this sentencing is effective when next to no one is actually rehabilitated? A person as far gone as this individual cannot be rehabilitated and to think that such a monumental task, a miracle really, could happen is naive and in the end an expensive, lifelong exercise in futility.

 

[system11]

Agreed. The people of Norway should disregard the laws they have collectively agreed upon to satisfy your personal bloodlust.

Don't mistake bloodlust with great annoyance at someone who has already committed an act of great evil continue to drain the society he harmed until he eventually dies of old age - lets face it he'll never be considered safe to release. It's illogical. They could use that cell to house someone who shows remorse and will one day return to society. They could give that food to the homeless.

But yes you're right, they're not /my/ taxes but I live in a country which would do the exact same thing in these circumstances.

 

[TurnipFritters]

Rutheless, but in this specific case I wholly agree. I think there is a great deal of pandering to pathos in this thread along with some handclapping for the "humane containmemt" of inhumane monsters. Who does that practice serve? Why do we assume this sentencing is effective when next to no one is actually rehabilitated? A person as far gone as this individual cannot be rehabilitated and to think that such a monumental task, a miracle really, could happen is naive and in the end an expensive, lifelong exercise in futility.

Perhaps the people of Norway do not feel comfortable with the idea of executions.

 

[Roto13]

Perhaps the people of Norway do not feel comfortable with the idea of executions.

Well, you know, civilized people generally aren't ok with killing each other.

 

[Amir0x]

And what answer did you find on what true forgiveness is? If I may ask that is.

I suspect that answer varies depending on who you are. For me, it was the actual act of feeling no more malice toward the perpetrators - and then finding a way for me to wish them good will in the future, even success. And the way I knew it worked was because it was like a huge weight was lifted off my shoulders, I no longer stayed up thinking about it or even had it on my mind very often. It was one part of the many things I had to do to move past the crushing depression I went through when my girlfriend committed suicide right when i graduated high school. Here's the steps I had to take:

1. Truly move on from my past - forgive those who trespassed against me completely, to the point where I even wished them success

2. Get rid of my drug addiction, which I did finally last year with the help of NeoGAF (1 year clean now)

3. Finally feel comfortable enough to enter into a serious relationship (I became a sort of social hermit after my high school sweetheart killed herself, so this was big for me). Now I am engaged, and feeling fulfilled

All these met, alongside getting an extremely successful job and doing good work there, finally allowed me to move off the depression that had been stifling all my growth. But it was the forgiveness I'd have to say was the most important of all.

It took nearly ten years to finally get there. It was not easy. The true test came when I had to actually eat dinner with the man who had raped my mother. He sat across me at the table, and I almost began to regress with my anger and hate... but then I corrected myself. Me and my mother together talked aside, and we both put on the happiest face, I shook his hand and hoped him a good life, and I simply left and never saw him again. We forgave him, in the true sense.

 

[SpecialAgentZ]

He doesn't even deserve to play games.
He should be thanking for having acess to video games. Innocent people living in complete misery doesn't have this kind of luxury. Why a convicted mass murderer is allowed to have this kind of confort?

And human rights my ass... should know better about human rights when he took the lives of those 77 people.

 

[Lucreto]

In Norway being sentenced to prison means you only lose your freedom of movement but you are comfortable.

American prison is a different monster where losing your freedom of movement is only the beginning.

 

[maquiladora]

There was really a Bugsy 3D...

Thought I dreamed that shit :|

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25bjSoyXlw0

 

[Yaoibot]

Perhaps the people of Norway do not feel comfortable with the idea of executions.

So are we penning these criminals away for the sake of the victims who have lost their families, or for the mental appeasement of the people who don't want to deal with the guilt from one camp and the bloodshed from the other? There has to be a better punishment that suits these sorts of crimes other than a sentence to old age and last gen video game systems. Manual labor for life? I don't know, that medium between justice, penance (what pennance is he doing?) and forgiveness has yet to be found.

Right now we're just putting these people out of sight and mind so that we don't have to deal with them. Its not justice, its avoidance.

Anyhoo, my phone is at 3% so have a good weekend all and I wish you success in catching up on your backlogs and shit. Peace.

 

[d00d3n]

Give the guy a ps3. He is a young man who will be in prison for the rest of his life. Dehumanising him and removing all access to activities will make the norwegian justice system look bad and it will cost a lot of money. People who are isolated and have nothing to do tend to go crazy, and treating the mental illness is not cheap. In Norway it not an option to lock the guy in "the box", hand him some nutraloaf every other day and throw away the key. If Breivik goes completely nuts and starts smearing feces on the wall, he will most likely be transported to a psychiatric hospital for extended care (=mind-bogglingly expensive).

 

[MikeHattsu]

Give the guy a ps3. He is a young man who will be in prison for the rest of his life. Dehumanising him and removing all access to activities will make the norwegian justice system look bad and it will cost a lot of money. People who are isolated and have nothing to do tend to go crazy, and treating the mental illness is not cheap.

He already got a PS2 though...

 

[Gemüsepizza]

I don't think that he will/should get any games which contain violence - because he committed violent crimes. And he even said he used such games to train for his murders. Someone who was convicted of white collar crimes or other non-violent crimes, would probably have more choices here.

It makes me angry that society entertains this bullshit.

If you go and kill 70 people you've signed away your human rights, imprisoning someone indefinitely for doing so is nothing but a waste of time, space, food and money. Nobody is going to miss him, I'd just put a bolt through his head and be done with it.

It's not 'civilised' or 'progressive' or any such thing, it's just pointless and inefficient.

And it makes me happy that people like you don't have anything to say in our society. There are reasons why we don't have the death penality. Because, for example, sometimes innocent people get convicted. Not all cases are as clear as this one. You can't create a law/system which can 100% prevent innocents from getting convicted.

 

[nelsonroyale]

Give him an N64 and Superman 64. This is supposed to be punishment.

Anyway, this guy has done a terrible deed and needs to atone. I just wish other mass murders like Tony Blair, George Bush, and Herny Kissenger would also be subject to reform and atonement.

 

[Broder Salsa]

So are we penning these criminals away for the sake of the victims who have lost their families, or for the mental appeasement of the people who don't want to deal with the guilt from one camp and the bloodshed from the other? There has to be a better punishment that suits these sorts of crimes other than a sentence to old age and last gen video game systems. Manual labor for life? I don't know, that medium between justice, penance (what pennance is he doing?) and forgiveness has yet to be found.

Right now we're just putting these people out of sight and mind so that we don't have to deal with them. Its not justice, its avoidance.

Anyhoo, my phone is at 3% so have a good weekend all and I wish you success in catching up on your backlogs and shit. Peace.

I believe the reason for locking them up is to try and rehabilitate them, not to serve justice for family of victims or to get around the guilt of execution. Of course not many believes in him ever getting rehabilitated and he will most likely stay forever in forvaring, but that's no reason to treat him differently than the law allows.

But if someone still desires to change that, they are always welcome to try and get the law changed. But as I said, doesn't seem like there's much reason for it as the majority of the Norwegian people (and go look at victim families interviews, they are mostly the same) are fine with it working this way, and frankly it's none of other nationalities fucking business that they go with this approach.

I'm not Norwegian, but still Scandinavia so probably got quite a bit of the same mindset, and I agree with them to not have the death penalty, sure the max sentencing could be higher and I wouldn't disagree with that, but as long as they can be kept in forvaring forever in case of them not being safe for society I'm fine with that too.

 

[system11]

Because, for example, sometimes innocent people get convicted.

This is clearly not one of those times.

Anyway, it doesn't matter and I think I'm going to just avoid this topic - it'll just end in tears eventually. If the media had any sense it wouldn't even report any of this.

 

[Liha]

There has to be a better punishment that suits these sorts of crimes other than a sentence to old age and last gen video game systems.

The justice system in Norway is based on rehabilitation rather than retribution / punishment and it has proven itself.

 

[KillerMan91]

Justice system in US: Punish and take revenge
Justice system in Norway: To make society as safe as possible
Guess which one is more effective when it comes to reducing crime....

Sure with someone like Breivik he can never be rehabilitated but just because of that you can't mend the law. They will treat him like normal prisoner with the difference that he never gets out.

 

[Permanently A]

Norway prison sounds pretty nice, lack of freedom aside...

 

[Lunar15]

Convenient time to become a human rights activist.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

This is clearly not one of those times.

Anyway, it doesn't matter and I think I'm going to just avoid this topic - it'll just end in tears eventually. If the media had any sense it wouldn't even report any of this.

Yes. But it doesn't matter. Because you can not create a law which can achieve that absolutely no innocent people get convicted.

 

[jimi_dini]

Nobody is going to miss him, I'd just put a bolt through his head and be done with it.

It's not 'civilised' or 'progressive' or any such thing, it's just pointless and inefficient.

Yup. Because killing murderers "the efficient way" made the US of A abso-fucking-lutely murder-free.

If the media had any sense it wouldn't even report any of this.

oh yeah, this here.

Well, it's polygon. What did you expect?

 

[7DollarHagane]

Can they put him in solitary with a virtual boy locked to the face for 6 hours, twice a week

 

[ShinAmano]

I hope he starves. Seriously I hope he dies a slow painful death from not eating. It will be nothing compared to the 77 families that he destroyed.

 

[nailbombxx]

Calls himself a Human Rights activist lol

fuck off.

 

[Damaniel]

Yes you do. Imagine you are ordered to keep a wild animal locked in your home for 5 years. The animal cant be released outside for the whole of 5 years. Would you try to tame him. Or let him inside a little cage with no attention? If you do the last thing, when the 5 years are over he will be a beast when you release him. And a trouble for society Same with prisoners its better to rehabilitate then to dehumanize a person. In America crime is much higher then in countries like Norway, Belgium etc.

However you need to find a middle ground between the people who lost the lifes because of that guy and because of the criminal itself. Therefore i think you should not give the guy a voice so the victims keep having to see him in the news.

In America, it's moot because Republicans just want to kill all the wild animals. Amusing that the party of small government, who insists that government can do nothing right, can somehow accurately convict and execute all murderers 100% of the time with no mistakes. Well, they can't, of course, but the GOP really doesn't care about that too much.

(Yeah, some people may 'deserve' to die, but the government should not be in the killing business. The civilized world has figured this out already, leaving America in good company with the likes of China, North Korea and Saudi Arabia.)

EDIT: Really, though - fuck this guy. He should be glad he has a console of any kind. He'll go one meal without eating and stop his petty little hunger strike by this time tomorrow.

 

[sibarraz]

I know that Norwegian prisions look like hotels, but still, you are in a prision, you had to be there for a lot of years, I will prefer to live in a shitty house but at least with the option to go wherever I want than in an almost 4 start hotel prision where I still can't do lots of things

 

[luxarific]

No death sentence to him. Will be the easy way out.

This. He wants to be famous (and maybe a martyr, but above all, famous). Ideally, the media shouldn't even use his name, that's how much we should deny him his fame.

 

[Daingurse]

The fucking entitlement of this monster, unbelievable. Be thankful you even have the fortune of playing Rayman 2. This dude belongs in one of those fucked up SHU prisons.

He's actually deserving of those horrific conditions.

 

[Nvzman]

Someone get him Sonic '06.

Maybe he'll start trying to home attack the bars in his cell while screaming "IT'S NO USE, TAAAAKE THIS!"
Honestly this guy doesn't deserve shit, force him to platinum Ride to Hell: Retribution. Then he'll cry.

 

[RustyNails]

I think he just gave us the way to kill him. Lets use it.

 

[Brannon]

Would a hunger strike even work? The moment he passes out from starvation, the docs'll just put a food tube in him.

 

[Always-honest]

Lol, he's so last gen.

Anyway, take away what he has.

 

[Broder Salsa]

Lol, he's so last gen.

Anyway, take away what he has.

He wish he was last gen, he's the gen before last gen.

 

[lord]

I suspect that answer varies depending on who you are. For me, it was the actual act of feeling no more malice toward the perpetrators - and then finding a way for me to wish them good will in the future, even success. And the way I knew it worked was because it was like a huge weight was lifted off my shoulders, I no longer stayed up thinking about it or even had it on my mind very often. It was one part of the many things I had to do to move past the crushing depression I went through when my girlfriend committed suicide right when i graduated high school. Here's the steps I had to take:

1. Truly move on from my past - forgive those who trespassed against me completely, to the point where I even wished them success

2. Get rid of my drug addiction, which I did finally last year with the help of NeoGAF (1 year clean now)

3. Finally feel comfortable enough to enter into a serious relationship (I became a sort of social hermit after my high school sweetheart killed herself, so this was big for me). Now I am engaged, and feeling fulfilled

All these met, alongside getting an extremely successful job and doing good work there, finally allowed me to move off the depression that had been stifling all my growth. But it was the forgiveness I'd have to say was the most important of all.

It took nearly ten years to finally get there. It was not easy. The true test came when I had to actually eat dinner with the man who had raped my mother. He sat across me at the table, and I almost began to regress with my anger and hate... but then I corrected myself. Me and my mother together talked aside, and we both put on the happiest face, I shook his hand and hoped him a good life, and I simply left and never saw him again. We forgave him, in the true sense.

you're a good man and i admire what you have done with what has happened to you, i deeply wish you a great life and it gives me hope towards the world to read a story like yours.

 

[velociraptor]

I hope this cunt suffers a miserable and painful existence.

 

[Always-honest]

He wish he was last gen, he's the gen before last gen.

Does he even know there is a PS4?