Damn, that looks awful. I haven't gotten the game, yet, but from what I've seen, it looks to have worse visuals than Dark Souls.
Dark Souls 2 Lighting changes/Downgrade
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People are still doing this? The fact that the area has changed from stone to mossy forest means that they redesigned the area. That's not surprising as it design changes happen in development. There is nothing wrong with this.
What matters is the actual quality of the assets, be they moss or stone textures. I think the PC mossy area screenshot looks quite nice actually. Plenty of atmosphere there compared to the console version.
Yeah, I agree with this. In that particular case it's clearly a redesign which has nothing to do with performance, but rather changing the artistic goal.
It wouldn't, a PS4 can't render DS at 8k
I don't think most PCs can either
Seriously WTF
lol
jim2point0
Banned
It wouldn't, a PS4 can't render DS at 8k
I don't think most PCs can either
With a 780 TI it runs like the clappers (gotta turn off SSAO though). But that quality is only really necessary for screenshots. It would look just as good in motion at 4K.
But yeah... definitely not most PCs.
Calamari41
41 > 38
Your PS4 would melt if it tried to run that.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
Shit's depressing.
On one hand it's tempting as hell to say fuck it and buy in but I REALLY don't want to reward this kind of shit.
On one hand it's tempting as hell to say fuck it and buy in but I REALLY don't want to reward this kind of shit.
Yep, that is definitely just a redesign. Honestly, the best we can hope for from the PC version is that the lighting, specular highlights etc. makes a come back. Because the level design of the reveal footage is not coming back.
What a scam.
I wouldn't agree with that (that it looks as good in motion at 4k). Well, it does, but that's only due to the inadequate realtime scaling in DSfix (it's possible to do much better
).As for the SSAO, you should be able to run that at quarter resolution (or 1/16th!) and it should still look good.
Kamina
Golden Boy
True, the TGS Version seems to have some of the physical changes of the Retail Version, but not all.
I think the best we can hope for is the PC getting the Early Access version of the lighting.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
Yeah but the progression shouldn't be like...
Beta 1 -> looking good
Beta 2 -> looking good
Demo -> looking good
Retail -> The fuck?
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Of course it's common to see a game not look quite as good as a reveal trailer or target render. And it's not surprising to see gradual downgrades or upgrades through the course of development. However, I invite you to provide an example of another game with such massive differences that were made apparent so suddenly and so late in development.
I think what most people are surprised about is how nobody said anything about the changes. Only a few weeks ago we still had footage of this awesome looking game but what we got was very different.
Sure games get developed but they usually start out with the poor thing and then refine on that product. Not unless they have dreamed up some amazing project that they had no real way of fulfilling, then it gets downgraded.
zephervack
Member
Wow, I had not seen this post, makes sense, the version with all the extra geometry was the PC version.
They had a demo with simpler geometry, less detailed textures running in PS3, at this point the lightning still remained.
Retail everything gets simplified further, missing lightning and basic geometry.
Right. But showing off these builds not even two months before release is some shady shit.
Can you link the box screenshots? I'm waiting for the PC release so I haven't seen the box.
(and yeah, there was obviously an attempt to mislead the public here)
I understand wanting to aim high with your goals for a game and not feasibly being able to achieve those marks come the deadline, but it would be so much better if publishers were more forthright about what they will actually deliver instead of being so insidious about things.
Nothing "official" on the PC side but many are wondering if the early stuff we saw was PC with console prompt since the actual retail version looks nothing like it.
It is odd to hear this happened especially hearing them talk about the Next-Gen Engine.
XANDER CAGE
Member
People really shouldn't be shocked by OH MY GOD THREE VERSIONS because it's only natural that changes need to be made as a game progresses through development. Changed geometry ("it's a different castle!!!!!") isn't really the issue.
The issue is still the lighting/specular, which is straight up gone and was never shown to be gone until retail copies made their way out. A core feature of the game is crippled because of it, far more than any changes to how many tables are in certain rooms and whatnot.
The issue is still the lighting/specular, which is straight up gone and was never shown to be gone until retail copies made their way out. A core feature of the game is crippled because of it, far more than any changes to how many tables are in certain rooms and whatnot.
Krusenstern
Banned
Dude, this is straight up misleading. They showed us A and gave us B in the end.
This is fraud if you ask me.
spectral_method
Banned
I thought the game was coming out for PS4. When I realized it was ps3/360 I quickly made up my mind not to get it and wait for the superior PC version. DS1 without the fix looked like crap (I assume this was console quality too), am I correct in assuming DS1 and DS2 look similar on the consoles?
Even putting the obvious degradation out of mind, Dark Souls 2 seems to look worse (graphically) than Dark Souls.
Nah, games get downgraded during development somewhat often. Intentionally misrepresenting the game six weeks out is where these guys went off the rails. They even used misleading screenshots on the game box!
It's particularly shitty here because the lighting was directly tied to the gameplay. Torches were a major gameplay component and it's gutted in the final release.
XANDER CAGE
Member
You don't have to tell me twice, I was one of the people pre-release who started complaining about the changes.
It's just that the lighting is the actual game-changing problem.
Krusenstern
Banned
Yes. That's what I'm talking about. They mostly sold us on something that barely resembles what we've seen in all the months prior to release.
zephervack
Member
Ok so here is what we know so far.
3 Builds
Reveal April 2013 (probably on PC), exclusive IGN Demo
1. Complex geometry (look at border of the door).
2. More complex textures.
3. Awesome lightning.
4. Small attention to detail like the cobwebs in the tunnel.
5. Normal mapping on walls of tunnel
TGS Demo Sep 2013 (running on non-dev PS3)
1. Keeps awesome lightning.
2. Reduced geometry (border of the door much simpler)
3. Some details removed like the cobweb of the reveal.
4. Textures look simpler than reveal
5. Has better shadows than reveal??
Retail February 2014
1. Lightning gutted
2. Simpler geometry kept from TGS
3. Textures untouched from TGS
Has anyone thought that maybe they couldnt get the lightning to work on the Xbox 360 version, so they decided to remove it from both?
3 Builds
Reveal April 2013 (probably on PC), exclusive IGN Demo
1. Complex geometry (look at border of the door).
2. More complex textures.
3. Awesome lightning.
4. Small attention to detail like the cobwebs in the tunnel.
5. Normal mapping on walls of tunnel
TGS Demo Sep 2013 (running on non-dev PS3)
1. Keeps awesome lightning.
2. Reduced geometry (border of the door much simpler)
3. Some details removed like the cobweb of the reveal.
4. Textures look simpler than reveal
5. Has better shadows than reveal??
Retail February 2014
1. Lightning gutted
2. Simpler geometry kept from TGS
3. Textures untouched from TGS
Has anyone thought that maybe they couldnt get the lightning to work on the Xbox 360 version, so they decided to remove it from both?
Ok so here is what we know so far.
3 Builds
Reveal April 2013 (probably on PC), exclusive IGN Demo
1. Complex geometry (look at border of the door).
2. More complex textures.
3. Awesome lightning.
4. Small attention to detail like the cobwebs in the tunnel.
5. Normal mapping on walls of tunnel
TGS Demo Sep 2013 (running on non-dev PS3)
1. Keeps awesome lightning.
2. Reduced geometry (border of the door much simpler)
3. Some details removed like the cobweb of the reveal.
4. Textures look simpler than reveal
5. Has better shadows than reveal??
Retail February 2014
1. Lightning gutted
2. Simpler geometry kept from TGS
3. Textures untouched from TGS
Great comparison.
The middle one is like the network test we played on the PS3.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
Unlikely since the 360 version runs better than the PS3's.Ok so here is what we know so far.
3 Builds
Reveal April 2013 (probably on PC), exclusive IGN Demo
1. Complex geometry (look at border of the door).
2. More complex textures.
3. Awesome lightning.
4. Small attention to detail like the cobwebs in the tunnel.
5. Normal mapping on walls of tunnel
TGS Demo Sep 2013 (running on non-dev PS3)
1. Keeps awesome lightning.
2. Reduced geometry (border of the door much simpler)
3. Some details removed like the cobweb of the reveal.
4. Textures look simpler than reveal
5. Has better shadows than reveal??
Retail February 2014
1. Lightning gutted
2. Simpler geometry kept from TGS
3. Textures untouched from TGS
Has anyone thought that maybe they couldnt get the lightning to work on the Xbox 360 version, so they decided to remove it from both?
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SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Reveal build will never be released, best hope for PC version is to be identical to the TGS build
This is a big bullshit. I can understand to be disappointed about the downgrade but graphically to me seems notable for ps360. Fps wasn't never a big deal in the whole the series, unfortunately.
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
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It most likely runs better because it doesn't have vsync enabled. Vsync drops framerates.
CountAntonius
Member
I'll take a high res 60 fps/1080p version of the tgs build. The game would be beautiful. At least we kinda know what Dark Souls 3 could look like if it goes next gen/PC only.
It's also ported from a game developed on PC which has a lot more in common with the 360 vs the PS3. The originals were made with PS3 in mind which explains while they the original was slightly better on PS3.
zephervack
Member
Did anyone actually play the Reveal demo????
Im starting to think it was prerendered, not to the degree of the CG intro, but to look more like actual gameplay.
As far as I know the reveal was literally little parts cut together in the IGN video. No one saw that version again in any other form, correct?
Not means that much. They dropped vsync to have higher fps on 360, they could dropped the lighting for the same reason.
Wow, as someone who didn't look at any DS2 media since the reveal I'm more than disapointed by that downgrade, and sadly expect it to have hit the PC version too.Ok so here is what we know so far.
3 Builds
Reveal April 2013 (probably on PC), exclusive IGN Demo
1. Complex geometry (look at border of the door).
2. More complex textures.
3. Awesome lightning.
4. Small attention to detail like the cobwebs in the tunnel.
5. Normal mapping on walls of tunnel
TGS Demo Sep 2013 (running on non-dev PS3)
1. Keeps awesome lightning.
2. Reduced geometry (border of the door much simpler)
3. Some details removed like the cobweb of the reveal.
4. Textures look simpler than reveal
5. Has better shadows than reveal??
Retail February 2014
1. Lightning gutted
2. Simpler geometry kept from TGS
3. Textures untouched from TGS
Has anyone thought that maybe they couldnt get the lightning to work on the Xbox 360 version, so they decided to remove it from both?
The downgrade is Huge.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
True, but then again, dropping the lighting would have yield performance increases in the PS3 version and yet, it runs poorly.
Yes, that would be perfect.
The weird thing it's why they haven't put the vsync setting options on both. I guess ps3 could run even better of the 360 with vsync totally off. A pity.
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