Oculus Rift Development Kit 2 announced, up for preorder (based on Crystal Cove)
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jacksepticeye
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Ordered!!
Doc Holliday
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I ordered for the simple fact that it doesn't look like the consumer version won't be out till 2015. The specs are much better than dk1 and it even if the the consumer version ships this year you can probably still sell dk2 for a decent amount of cash.
They are in the confirmation email. But apparently not very useful for getting your queue position or an idea of the order volume.
Yep, didn't get chance to thank you for finding that info. As a stab in the dark, it may have been a custom panel of some sort and revealing its refresh rate would some how void some agreement... I don't know. Palmer Luckey is now on the same line as Abrash, saying that 90hz is the bare minimum for low persistence despite DK2 reaching to 75hz, they still don't think its enough but, that its the best they could do just as the dk1 could only hit 60hz.
flyinpiranha
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This is me. I'll tweak and play with it. When Civ1 comes, as long as it's 6+ months after I receive DK2 I'll be fine buying another one. These things are going to be like Pong machines and I'll just store it in a nice box and bring it out for the grandkids so they can laugh at what us old people use to use for VR. "OMG GRANDPA, it doesn't even have a neural net interloping augmenter?! Hahaha!"
Crazy, numbers all over the place.
BN-0553418
I can't believe that over half a million have sold. We should see if there's any correlation with time and the transaction number.
8:29:00 AM PST / BN-0553418
Apples to oranges.
PC gamers who want VR are going to buy a Rift. Playstation gamers who want VR will buy Morpheus.
There is no overlap. It doesn't matter who launches first.
Astral/H3X
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Ordered, don't even care. Waited so long for this, gotta have it now.
Hell maybe I'll become a developer with this.
You're way off with this line of reasoning. They barely compete. They are not really present in the same market space. I don't think Sony and Oculus are going to steal eachother's VR customers because first-to-market doesn't matter much when the markets don't overlap a whole lot.
Oculus will price the Rift to make them money on each unit sold. They're selling hardware to the PC gamer, a customer who is not shy about spending money on hardware. Oculus are not a big company and don't need Playstation numbers to make money on the Rift. I'll wager most of their likely customer base already have a gaming PC.
You can bet Sony will be subsidising their HMD somewhat (console gamers are notoriously price-sensitive consumers) and expecting their return to come from software sales, where they can demand a large slice. So, neither really need to get massive unit sales to make the products worth creating.
Scalemail Ted
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haha, The order numbers seem to be all over the place
Yep.
March 19, 2014 at 09:52 AM PDT
BM-0142411
The numbers seem pretty random to me.
Yeah, I'm very impressed he's already promising higher resolution with CV1 too, I'd thought maybe they'd hold off for QHD but I wasn't confident, but it's great to think they're at least going to be hitting that.
The numbers could be region or state based as well. The letters could correspond to type of payment and the first numbers could be the region then the amount in that region?
Thaumaturgic Tomato
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Thanks for the response. So that means there won't be post-process distortion built into the device? Some kinda chip that distorts the received video signal?
I was hoping every game wouldn't need a patch. If the hardware itself could distort a video signal, every single game in history would be viewable in surround. That would be a tremendous selling point. I was 100% sure to buy one if the device were capable of turning any video signal into a VR experience. Head-tracking be darned.
Shucks
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Fuck it, let's do this.
Thats what I thought.
Thanks for the response. So that means there won't be post-process distortion built into the device? Some kinda chip that distorts the received video signal?
I was hoping every game wouldn't need a patch. If the hardware itself could distort a video signal, every single game in history would be viewable in surround. That would be a tremendous selling point. I was 100% sure to buy one if the device were capable of turning any video signal into a VR experience. Head-tracking be darned.
Shucks
There are 3rd party drivers out there that can accomplish this.
The distortion can't be built right into the hardware since games need stereoscopic support as well, which means the engine needs to render two viewpoints.
Business
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Yep, higher letters and numbers yet earlier order.
March 19, 2014 at 08:40 AM PDT.
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Scalemail Ted
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09:55 AM PDT.
Order #: FO-4104XXX
Here's my date and order #
Order #: FO-4104XXX
Here's my date and order #
ScepticMatt
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Well, there are not "fucked" per se, but for a high sense of "realness" you'll want to have a frame rate above flicker-fusion, which for VR is a lot higher than for TVs, hence "90fps+"
For lower frame rates you'll need higher persistence to avoid visible flicker. The "black time" needs to be lower than the persistence of vision (inverse of flicker fusion rate)
For example, can have:
2ms persistence at 75Hz: 11,3 ms black, flickers like 88Hz CRT
3ms persistence at 72Hz 10,8 ms black, flickers like 92Hz CRT
In the consumer version they'll likely run a ~90 fps frame rate with sub-ms persistence.
Edit: clarification
This. So much this.
I think hey went yesterday because it was the last chance to get some public attention before just being seen as "oh, they did it to".
SmoothRunningGun
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Got my order in at 9:15am pac. I'll probably sell my x1 to cover this since I'm not really using it anyway.
Do you have a source for the information that the persistence is bound to refresh on the DK2? It makes perfect sense, I just haven't seen it stated explicitly.
It'll be interesting to see what happens to the resell price of the first dev kit since the announcement of dk2.
Isn't there a playground you could go troll in? Grown ups are talking.
ScepticMatt
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http://youtu.be/4d3Wli7s6KY?t=12m30s
Edit:
I don't know, it might be optional. But 2ms persistence at 60Hz would be horrible. The mullings above are just thoughts on my part.
official specs said:
Rentahamster
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Preorder get.
Let's keep on riding the VR train.
Let's keep on riding the VR train.
bee
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£277 all in, if using paypal they charge full amount, if you put it on a card they charge $50 and the rest on shipping
Thanks for the response. So that means there won't be post-process distortion built into the device? Some kinda chip that distorts the received video signal?
I was hoping every game wouldn't need a patch. If the hardware itself could distort a video signal, every single game in history would be viewable in surround. That would be a tremendous selling point. I was 100% sure to buy one if the device were capable of turning any video signal into a VR experience. Head-tracking be darned.
Shucks
The thing to understand about retooling games for VR support is that it requires a lot more than just adding headset compatibility.
FPS games are often built with the player's viewpoint in a strange position. Everything looks fine on a regular monitor but in VR it would feel like you're looking out of someone's belly button. Similarly, object scale issues are far more obvious in VR. For example, you'll quickly notice that furniture is just too big.
And speaking of FPS games, your character often runs faster than a person would run in real life, and action gameplay often involves running backwards. It's all very disorienting in VR.
Then you have to worry about cutscenes. Basically, you want to avoid anything that takes camera control away from the user since it's very uncomfortable.
It's a much better idea to build games with VR in mind from the very beginning, or make them VR exclusive.